I had to start a separate post because this was beyond absurd how bad the refs were in this game
The Referees
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Refs were totally fine.
Can’t shoot 25 percent and fall behind by 17 to a good team and expect to win. Too little too late.
Can’t shoot 25 percent and fall behind by 17 to a good team and expect to win. Too little too late.
I thinkt I'm just getting used to awful officiating at this point. Was why I mostly stopped watching women's college basketball, and it seems to have spread to the men's game.
They're consistently awful, not just in our games. It's universal. Makes the game really hard to watch.
They're consistently awful, not just in our games. It's universal. Makes the game really hard to watch.
refs were okay this game..not a factor...this whine gets really old
Rutgers played gamely. Better team won. Nothing more annoying watching a game and the guy next to you is officiating the game from his seat. His time would be better spent counting turnovers and teams getting to loose balls.
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Rich, this was NOT on the officials. We couldn't shoot the damn ball. We shot 25% in the first half and after we made that great run late in the game, we couldn't shoot again. We have very young kids who not only need the experience out there but need to learn how to make the game slow down and relax. Too many really bad shots taken today. The fact that we even kept this game close is a testament to good coaching and a talented bunch of really young players. I like us going forward, but today was not on the officials.
He is NOT all alone, at least for the first half. Even one of your regular posters posted that you were “getting the good whistle“ in the game thread. The second half was fine. In the first half there were several no calls around the basket, after offensive rebounds mostly, that were unacceptable. Also, the very strange second foulcall on Baker took him out of the game for a long stretch.
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omg stop we couldnt even close the gap when they didn't score for 6 minutes. We shot like 20 of 74
Need to look inward not toward outside forces for why we lost this game.
Refs didn’t decide the game but definitely helped keep the distance. Particularly in two cases where SHU players were clearly the aggressors instigating for technicals but the refs gave double Ts. Other cases where RU wouldn’t get a call on offense and immediately upon SHU Possesiin they get a call.
At end of day it wasn’t difference in the game. It could’ve been. But this team has major offensive flaws (not new for any RU program sadly )
At end of day it wasn’t difference in the game. It could’ve been. But this team has major offensive flaws (not new for any RU program sadly )
The one with Mathis if anything should have been a no call. The shu guy said wtf. After getting mugged I don’t blame him and didn’t really think it was t worthy.
We couldn’t shoot. That’s all good game. Very entertaining they deserved to win
I'm not talking about whether the refs impacted the outcome of the game. I don't think they were biased, or unfairly tilted the field one way or the other, or had anything to do with why we lost. They weren't "the story" today.
But they were still bad. They seem to always be bad these days. Inconsistent calls, out of position to make calls, bad no calls, bad calls, etc. Not just this game, but most games that I've watched this year and last year. It makes me look back fondly on the days of Higgins and Burr, honestly.
I really feel the overall quality of officiating across all of men's college basketball is worse than it was five and ten years ago.
But they were still bad. They seem to always be bad these days. Inconsistent calls, out of position to make calls, bad no calls, bad calls, etc. Not just this game, but most games that I've watched this year and last year. It makes me look back fondly on the days of Higgins and Burr, honestly.
I really feel the overall quality of officiating across all of men's college basketball is worse than it was five and ten years ago.
You're being a f'ing stick in the mud, trying to act like we shouldn't complain about this. I was at the game. This was atrocious. Tough love on your own team only goes so far.
I had a Maryland fan with me who was appalled by the officiating.
Hate hate hate the double T there. It happened last night in the nuggets/thunder game with Westbrook and Murray. No big deal since it’s not like having Mathis out there would have given us the win, but it’s a stupid call. Mathis is nothing
Proposal: In addition to a game thread for every game, we should have a referee thread too, with this precise opening post. It's coming anyway. Tiresome.
As I said above - bad officiating just turns me off. I can't get past it for women's basketball - and whenever I tune into an RU women's game, I remember why I stopped watching them. If men's basketball goes down that same road, I may end up with a lot more time on my hands in Nov-March.
And it may not be a "ref quality" thing, but a "refs are instructed to call the game this way now" thing. Either way, it really decreases the entertainment value of the product, imo.
thats great. you complain every game, I watched the game and replays and Id did not think it was an issue, not an issue that factored in...
Comparing B1G/Big East officiating to HS officiating is more damning than anything else. Major conference officials should be a damn sight better than HS officials. The difference between major conference bball and HS ball is like the difference between HS ball and little league ball.
First off, 44 combined fouls (39 before we started fouling to stop the clock) is letting them play?
Second, there's nothing wrong with refs "letting them play" in principle. Consider an imaginary severity scale of 1-10... if the refs just don't whistle any foul that doesn't rise above a 5 - that would be great. I don't want a game where the starters are all on the bench because of handchecks and quesitonable moving screen or offensive fouls.
The problem is when refs call the level 9/10 severity fouls, and then just call 50% of anything level 1-8.... sure, they're still "letting them play" half the time, but you end up with level-7 fouls going uncalled (grabbing the arm of a penetrating player in the lane) with level-2 fouls getting a whistle (shifted weight on a screen 25 feet from the basket). That's just inconsistent and makes games between closely matched teams more of a coin flip than a contest of skills/talent.
Bac, I've never complained about officiating on the board before. Seriously. Maybe it was being there in person that made it different.
They were fine. Bottom line is Baker played a horrible game and we probably won't win any game he doesn't perform like a star.
If everyone on here acknowledged how hard it is to win away from home, and that you dont get calls on the road, I'd be fine with this supposed "winner's fiction" that the refs had no impact. But I was there tonight, the refs had an impact, neutral observers agreed, and morons on this board are acting like the team **** the bed in a fair fight. So excuse me pointing out the obvious despite it not being winner's speak to observe poor officiating.
I get it. I often feel the same way after a loss. But absent a late game WTF like the BE tourney and Tim Higgins when u got screwed or Clougherty it just isn’t the reason teams lose. You think these 3 guys came in to put the screws on RU?
Actually no, I think it's a built-in thing that refs probably discuss all the time yet still organically occurs. The thing is, it doesnt come down to egregious things, it comes down to Geo Baker, who they're well aware of, getting called for a ticky-tack foul on a break that could go either way and then not getting calls later in the game that are much worse but maybe still in some kind of "great area". It goes to not reviewing a few blocks that may be goal tends that are not as obvious so they dont feel compelled. Over the course of this game those instances seemed more apparent than it usually does, and as an RU fan it usually seems pretty apparent that the refs EXPECT us to lose, etc.
Seton Hall had the home court, the reputation advantage etc. The Seton Hall kids played their hearts out and won. But more often than not, a neutral observer would say that the refs were leaning towards an expected outcome resulting in less minutes for Geo, at least 1 uncounted RU basket, and at least 1 double tech the RU kid had nothing to do with. I didn't keep a complete list but the foul disparity in the first half was nuts. I am well aware these things go both ways, but as I said, I had neutral observers with me today that were kind of shocked.
Whatevs. Congrats.
There was a huge disparity in fouls and foul shots in favor of RU last year. Did the Refs screw SHU last year and that’s why RU won? You can’t have it both ways. That’s the folly in blaming the Refs. Sure there were bad and blown calls but they went against both teams today.