The red headed step child named Ready

[mstateglfr]

"He is a liability on D."
"He is a selfish shooter."
"He couldnt play on another SEC team."
"He doesnt understand shot selection."

Yada yada yada

Holy hell, he was sorely missed. Its become popular to compliment him over the last whopping 2 weeks, but tonight was a glaring examole of how damn valuable Ready is.

We couldnt figure out the zone more than 15% of the time.
Carter tried hard, but he is not someone to initiate the offense when facing a trapping zone.
The perimeter D was terrible and though some still cant see it, Ready is a good defender in situations...one being keeping up with quick smaller driving guards.

Ready out ther with Peters could have helped reduce the workload of Peters and maybe then reduce turnovers. Pretty sure he could have helped break down the zone some and helped put us in the position of not needing(choosing?) to jack up 3s that could be taken late in the shotclock.

That was some rough floor generaling tonight.

 

[ShrubDog]

Dude shut the 17 up. He sucked *** the first 8 games and was everything you listed. He has improved since then.

 

[DAWG61]

Give me Tookie Brown over Ready all day any day

 

[mstateglfr]

Give me Tookie Brown over Ready all day any day

Give me Monte Morris over Ready.
Give me Frank Mason over Ready.
etc etc. Yeah, none of them are even on the team. My point was that his impact is missed. Those others you and I mentioned never were, so their impact isnt missed.

 

[tcdog70]

****** defense and too many fouls with an absence of rebounding was the biggest problem. Wonder why we can't try a zone sometimes?

 

[DAWG61]

Give me Monte Morris over Ready.
Give me Frank Mason over Ready.
etc etc. Yeah, none of them are even on the team. My point was that his impact is missed. Those others you and I mentioned never were, so their impact isnt missed.

Disagree. Tookie was committed to us for over a year before Howland dropped him and kept Strugg. Now Tookie is averaging 18.3 ppg and is the best player in his conference and Strugg hasn't played 18 minutes combined in his career. That bad of a miss by Howland hurts us.

 

[mstateglfr]

Dude shut the 17 up. He sucked *** the first 8 games and was everything you listed. He has improved since then.

In the first 8 games of the season...
Ready averaged 12.1ppg, shot 46.8% overall, made 75% of his free throws, grabbed 3 rebounds per game, had 2.1 steals each game, got 5.1 assists per game, and had a 2.72-1 Assist to Turnover ratio.


What the 17 are you talking about? He didnt suck the first 8 games of the year.

 

[johnson86-1]

Disagree. Tookie was committed to us for over a year before Howland dropped him and kept Strugg. Now Tookie is averaging 18.3 ppg and is the best player in his conference and Strugg hasn't played 18 minutes combined in his career. That bad of a miss by Howland hurts us.

Tookie would have been nice to have, but we're not going to have room for him, Lamar, and N SPoon in teh same back court. So Howland would have been either taking him with the expectation that he would get the boot in two years, or with the expectation that he would cost him Peters or SPoon (either through not signing or by transferring after not playing). I'm ok with the decision, even though I think we'd have been fine either way.

Notsur

 

[mstateglfr]

Disagree. Tookie was committed to us for over a year before Howland dropped him and kept Strugg. Now Tookie is averaging 18.3 ppg and is the best player in his conference and Strugg hasn't played 18 minutes combined in his career. That bad of a miss by Howland hurts us.

What do you disagree about? We never had those players, they arent missed. To miss something requires you to have had it or experience it. We miss Ready. We dont miss the others.
Yes, in hindsight, Tookie could have been more of an impact player for the team than Strugg so far. I agree with that. This has nothing to do with us missing Ready though, which was the point of the thread...to highlight that Ready is actually a good player and all the ragging he has gotten has largely been misguided/misdirected.

 

[DAWG61]

Tookie would have been nice to have, but we're not going to have room for him, Lamar, and N SPoon in teh same back court. So Howland would have been either taking him with the expectation that he would get the boot in two years, or with the expectation that he would cost him Peters or SPoon (either through not signing or by transferring after not playing). I'm ok with the decision, even though I think we'd have been fine either way.

Notsur

I think you have to compare Tookie vs Strugg and leave the who would sign if player X gets dropped out of it. Right now Tookie is more valuable than Strugg, Newman and Ready combined. That's a giant miss.

 

[DAWG61]

What do you disagree about? We never had those players, they arent missed. To miss something requires you to have had it or experience it. We miss Ready. We dont miss the others.
Yes, in hindsight, Tookie could have been more of an impact player for the team than Strugg so far. I agree with that. This has nothing to do with us missing Ready though, which was the point of the thread...to highlight that Ready is actually a good player and all the ragging he has gotten has largely been misguided/misdirected.

You are misinterpreting the word "miss" here. Miss in recruiting is when you pass on a player for another player and the original player is way more productive for someone else than the guy you decided to keep over him is for you. Tookie Brown is a gigantic miss.

 

[johnson86-1]

I think you have to compare Tookie vs Strugg and leave the who would sign if player X gets dropped out of it. Right now Tookie is more valuable than Strugg, Newman and Ready combined. That's a giant miss.

More valuable than a guy that doesn't play, a guy that has transferred, and our back up point guard? That doesn't scream that Tookie was a huge miss. And again, we'd be looking at a back court of Tookie (a small scoring PG), Peters (an average sized scoring PG), and then Spoon (a larger scoring PG (I think?)), and then Carter and Big Spoon.

We'd have been fine if we took him, I'm not sure 18 points a game at Georgia Southern translates into anything better than Ready and Peters in the SEC.

 

[ShrubDog]

In the first 8 games of the season...
Ready averaged 12.1ppg, shot 46.8% overall, made 75% of his free throws, grabbed 3 rebounds per game, had 2.1 steals each game, got 5.1 assists per game, and had a 2.72-1 Assist to Turnover ratio.


What the 17 are you talking about? He didnt suck the first 8 games of the year.

He got schooled

 

[mstateglfr]

You are misinterpreting the word "miss" here. Miss in recruiting is when you pass on a player for another player and the original player is way more productive for someone else than the guy you decided to keep over him is for you. Tookie Brown is a gigantic miss.

Damn. I used the word 'miss' first in this thread and I meant 'miss' as a way to describe wishing you had what you once had. Thats clear from the post where I use 'miss'.
I understand you used the word 'miss' in a different way.
You still havent clarified what you disagreed with from post #4. What in my post do you disagree with?

 

[mstateglfr]

He got schooled

Did he? Well then why wasnt he switched off the players who would school him?...is it because others would have done no better? Look at our defense so far- its inconsistent in effort and focus. Peters is the only other guard who could have picked up the defensive assignments Ready had and been all over the ball handler, but he has gotten into foul trouble when he has done that.

Our team, as a whole, is seriously inconsistent on defense, but Ready is the one who gets ragged on and said he isnt even an SEC player? Really? Thats amateur hour.

 

[kendesu]

I.J. Ready finishing in the top 10 in career assists and steals is remarkable when you consider the teams he has played on.

 

[ShrubDog]

First off I never said he was not an SEC player, I said he was a liability on defense, and he sure as hell was when the statement was made. He was getting abused on the post and dribble drive.

Cherry picking stats means absolutely nothing. Anyone who has ever played basketball would agree he has been a defensive liability in some games this year.

 

[ShrubDog]

I.J. Ready finishing in the top 10 in career assists and steals is remarkable when you consider the teams he has played on.

I sure as heck hope he is cause he was the only true PG since he has been at state until this year.

 

[mstateglfr]

First off I never said he was not an SEC player, I said he was a liability on defense, and he sure as hell was when the statement was made. He was getting abused on the post and dribble drive.

Cherry picking stats means absolutely nothing. Anyone who has ever played basketball would agree he has been a defensive liability in some games this year.

I didnt say you claimed he wasnt an SEC player. This entire thread has been me citing general viewpoints from those who have ragged on him. Yes, Ready is a defensive liability in certain situations. Basketball is a game of mismatches. Whichever team can best exploit mismatches in their favor will typically win. This is how its played in the NBA, in college, AAU, High School, and at the Y.
The team didnt have a better answer for that matchup.

Ready has also been solid on D this year and in those 8 games. He has taken charges and averaged over 2 steals per game in the time you said he got schooled.

Also, I didnt cherry pick stats. I provided stats which are included for all college basketball players and specified the PG spot. This is why I didnt include blocked shots per game...its meaningless for a PG. I didnt cherry pick anything though.

 

[pmack65]

Perhaps it shouldn't be Brown vs. Scruggs, maybe Peters wasn't coming here if Brown was here or N. Spoon. I've never seen Brown play, seems to have good numbers against lesser competition. From what I've seen Peters has shown the ability to be the best point guard ever at MSU. Overall Ready has improved dramatically as a PG, his lack of size gets him in trouble defensively at times but losing him for any game hurts.

 

[KurtRambis4]

He is*

"He is a liability on D."

*

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

Give me Tookie Brown over Ready all day any day

Would you take him over Peters because we probably wouldnt have Peters if we got Tookie Brown.