The Petras factor

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Having now some months to think on it I think we can opine that the many deficiencies in Spencer's game were an albatross that really killed to offense, especially last season.

Think of every time Spencer missed an open receiver, didn't locate an open receiver, locked on a receiver or threw a frantic pass into traffic. Think of every time his immobility and poor field reading and decision making skills resulted in sacks or throw aways.

Then compound that by the significance of those mistakes. Most throws are designed to get first downs. Not every throw, of course, but most throws. So most of those mistakes, again not all, but most cost first downs. First downs get three or four more plays in which to get another first down. Every first down wears the defense so we also lose the benefit of any other first downs would have happened following the first lost opportunity. So those bad QBing mistakes robbed Iowa of a significant number of offensive plays and all the potentially additional yards those plays would have produced.

It would be hard to work out an exact number of lost yards by bad QBing (Padilla only averaged 2.4 yards per attempt) but it has to be around 100 per game. Between outstanding defense and an outstanding punt return game, Iowa plays on short fields making those hundred lost yards even more significant to the actual game play and scoring.

I opine Cade will regain most of those lost yards. If the line improves, we are going to see the offense really flip the script in 23.
 
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Historically terrible QB play the last few years.
Give me a break..."historically"? Petras won 12 games in a row at one point. What we have had is a historically bad offensive line. I don't care if it was Bryce Young back there...he isn't going to have success if guys are getting to him in 1.5 seconds.

I'm not saying Petras was all world, but when we protected him, he showed he could make enough plays to win games.
 

DirtyHawk

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Give me a break..."historically"? Petras won 12 games in a row at one point. What we have had is a historically bad offensive line. I don't care if it was Bryce Young back there...he isn't going to have success if guys are getting to him in 1.5 seconds.

I'm not saying Petras was all world, but when we protected him, he showed he could make enough plays to win games.
Not really dude. Petras "won" 12 straight is certainly a take... but you would still be wrong.
 

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There is no Petras factor. If you take a cold, reflective, deep look at Iowa's offense in 2022 - it was everything. And everything begins with play design, pre-snap recognitions, the snap of the ball to, yes, execution. The offense was not good and everyone on the offense gets a bite of that sandwich. So, if there is a Petras Factor -- it might be that held things together. Because while it wasn't good -- it's pretty close to impossible to find the series, let alone, game where the effort wasn't visible. Or finger pointing and notably poor bad body language was. What will make a difference in 2023 is no secret -- every element has to operate better.
 

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He was a great teammate and could tell he really understood the game and is very bright. He just wasn't much of a gamer- had a hard time recognizing pressure and a awful time getting away from it. As mentioned prior, he was all over the place with his throws. Would have an NFL throw followed up by a missed screen or slant.

I am thinking just the sprinkling of mobility will go along way this year.
 
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He was a great teammate and could tell he really understood the game and is very bright. He just wasn't much of a gamer- had a hard time recognizing pressure and a awful time getting away from it. As mentioned prior, he was all over the place with his throws. Would have an NFL throw followed up by a missed screen or slant.

I am thinking just the sprinkling of mobility will go along way this year.
Think we'll see some of that. Cade has decent pocket mobility. not a great downfield runner but can gain yards when he sees a running lane. Need Cade to be healthy all season.
 
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Petras didn't win 12 in a row - the defense and ST probably won about 7 or those.
Ok...it's team game. You can tout the defense all you want. We still have to score points to win and someone needs to be sure not to lose the game with stupid mistakes. Petras did that 12 games in a row. Only one other QB in Iowa History has ever done that...CJ Beathard.

Whether you like it or not...when our offensive line play was above average...we won games with Petras at the helm. It wasn't always pretty...but he made a lot of big throws in some of those wins.
 
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Ok...it's team game. You can tout the defense all you want. We still have to score points to win and someone needs to be sure not to lose the game with stupid mistakes. Petras did that 12 games in a row. Only one other QB in Iowa History has ever done that...CJ Beathard.

Whether you like it or not...when our offensive line play was above average...we won games with Petras at the helm. It wasn't always pretty...but he made a lot of big throws in some of those wins.
While all of that is true his contributions were rarely more than just not losing. Nothing says it better than in his 3rd season as a starter he threw 5 TDS and 5 Interceptions, in 11 games. Nate Stanley threw 5 TDs in his second college game, on the road in the most hostile crowd Iowa faces.
 

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Having now some months to think on it I think we can opine that the many deficiencies in Spencer's game were an albatross that really killed to offense, especially last season.

Think of every time Spencer missed an open receiver, didn't locate an open receiver, locked on a receiver or threw a frantic pass into traffic. Think of every time his immobility and poor field reading and decision making skills resulted in sacks or throw aways.

Then compound that by the significance of those mistakes. Most throws are designed to get first downs. Not every throw, of course, but most throws. So most of those mistakes, again not all, but most cost first downs. First downs get three or four more plays in which to get another first down. Every first down wears the defense so we also lose the benefit of any other first downs would have happened following the first lost opportunity. So those bad QBing mistakes robbed Iowa of a significant number of offensive plays and all the potentially additional yards those plays would have produced.

It would be hard to work out an exact number of lost yards by bad QBing (Padilla only averaged 2.4 yards per attempt) but it has to be around 100 per game. Between outstanding defense and an outstanding punt return game, Iowa plays on short fields making those hundred lost yards even more significant to the actual game play and scoring.

I opine Cade will regain most of those lost yards. If the line improves, we are going to see the offense really flip the script in 23.
Argee, but it wasn't just last year. Most of those shortcomings were obvious in the first 2 games in 2020. Guys can improve, but his particular problems tend not to be the type that are significantly improved. Yet, we went with a
D- QB for 3 more years. Even a C QB would have won at least 5 more games over those 3 years. And the coaching staff couldn't find one?
 
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Argee, but it wasn't just last year. Most of those shortcomings were obvious in the first 2 games in 2020. Guys can improve, but his particular problems tend not to be the type that are significantly improved. Yet, we went with a
D- QB for 3 more years. Even a C QB would have won at least 5 more games over those 3 years. And the coaching staff couldn't find one?
I think they found one last year, but KF was simply too risk averse to play him. That would be smart if we had a game manager without a great arm and few turnovers but Spencer was a turnover and mistake factory. Joe looked more reliable and unpanicked and decisive in the bowl game than Spencer or Alex. No question the big misses at QB three years straight.
 
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Anon1672552852

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Give me a break..."historically"? Petras won 12 games in a row at one point. What we have had is a historically bad offensive line. I don't care if it was Bryce Young back there...he isn't going to have success if guys are getting to him in 1.5 seconds.

I'm not saying Petras was all world, but when we protected him, he showed he could make enough plays to win games.
Play-calling did not help o-line.
 
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Play-calling did not help o-line.
LOL...that's pretty funny. We sucked at running the ball, and we sucked at protecting the QB...but the play calling didn't help???? You couldn't call ANYTHING that worked...play calling wasn't going to help. Hell, for awhile, Brian was running the ball just to prevent negative plays and turning it over...especially when we had a lead. We just needed to punt it and not turn it over.

The Iowa offensive line got dominated in 2022. Period. Now, we played 7 defenses that were ranked in the top 15. ..and four in the top 7. Plus South Dakota State won the FCS title and had a great FCS defense...8 of 12 teams we played were really damn good defenses. That's pretty freaking daunting...so it wasn't a schedule you wanted to play with a bunch of young players who hadn't gotten their feet wet on the offensive line.

We won't play a schedule anywhere near that level this year on offense. Penn State, maybe...Wisconsin, maybe. But every other top defense from last year...ISU, Minnesota, Illinois, Wisconsin lost a ton of talent and are expected to take a step back. We don't play Michigan or OSU.

Petras proved he could win games...last year was an abomination due to the young/injuries on the OL and the schedule. I honestly feel he's taken the brunt when he shouldn't have.
 

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Tell me who recruited and coached the much-maligned Iowa O-line of 2022.

Anybody can call plays when you have personnel that is dominant. Coaching, at all levels, matters most when your players aren't as good as your opponents' players. Iowa was deficient in almost every offensive personnel department last year except TE. That most certainly includes Petras, who IMHO was one of the worst Iowa QBs since the 1970s. Nice kid. Smart. Hard worker. That's great. But the people who recruited him and kept playing him did him no favors.

As to what plays would have worked last year given Iowa's O-line . . . how about man-to-man blocking instead of zone? How about misdirection? How about two RBs in the backfield? How about a few trick plays?

Bottom line: Last year's brilliant defense was wasted by poor recruiting, poor coaching, and poor play calling. It's over. Forget it. Don't do it again.
 
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I guarantee you with better offensive line play, the recruiting all the sudden looks better, and the play calling will be fantastic next year. I don't think there is any correlation though. NOT.
 

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Petras was bad I agree, although it wasn't all on him. He did have major flaws with accuracy, locking onto receivers, getting jittery, mobility issues, and throwing the ball away early. Offense was several position group failures. Out of Petra's control are 1. Not having quality WRs to throw to. 2. Not getting enough time to throw. 3. Being asked to run bootlegs 30% of the time. Fortunately, we do have a significant upgrade in McNamara. He has been putting in time already with WRs on campus, which is a huge jump start.

OL was also bad, giving up 38 sacks. We appear to be more experienced with returning players. Jones can only get better snapping the ball after his rookie season. We filled depth needs with Feth and Parker from the xfer portal. Dunker has shifted to RT where he's been solid.

The thing not mentioned here is WRs. WRs talent/depth have taken steps back the last couple years 21 & 22. Losing Jones to Purdue. Keagan Johnson seeing almost no playing time. Then losing Johnson & Bruce. Bruce really never panned out. The start of last year Ragaini was injured for the first month. Bostick & Vines also having injuries. Brecht swapped to baseball. We had 1 scholarship WR playing in the spring. We seem to have finally taken a step forward. We have Ragaini, Vines, & Bostick all coming back. Walk-ons Kutscher, Wick, Wetjen. 3 new freshmen Buie, Howard, & Mota, and 2 Xfer portal pickups Brown and Anderson. Between those maybe we can get a solid rotation going.
 
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Kaleb Johnson was able to have some success. Same O-line. Just sayin'. QB sure didn't have much....
 

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Our offensive woes start and end with our abysmal offensive line play the past couple years.
It does always start up front ... but not sure it "starts and ends" there as you said. Have to believe the QB room has been atrocious in recent years. Two transfers in who together immediately locked down the two-deeps? There's something to that.
 

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While it is true the line was bad, it is also true that Petras was not a good QB. It's not his fault. He tried his best and he was a loyal Hawkeye. No shame in that.
 
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A perfect storm hit the offense last season. The line was terrible. But career ending injuries took out Britt, Ince and Davidkov going into the season. Myslinski was hurt, turned to a guy with a higher upside that had never played offense before. Davidkov almost certainly would have been starting at RT when Colby moved back to guard. Instead, left with just Plumb/DeJong for RT. None of the options at RG had any meaningful game experience. Think Stephens and Elsbury played a few downs in '21. Complete inexperience at 2 line positions and injury deprived of a quality RT, forcing reliance on athletically inferior but experienced players. Iowa just cannot stockpile 8-10 four stars on the line.

Even after Jones defection, Iowa's coaches thought they had Johnson, Arland Bruce, Nico, Brecht and Vines, with potentially Bostick a contributor. That group rarely had four players healthy. So the QB isn't getting any time with receivers who may or not play in the next game.

And then...and then... you throw in the worst Iowa QBing since maybe Bob Comings started his true freshmen son in 77 or 78. Padilla was simply terrible. He should not have played a down. That is on the coaches, or perhaps the head coach. Petras could play well with enough with plenty of time to throw, but, the line was at best highly undependable. Play action doesn't work when you cannot run, another line problem. Spencer had no mobility, so the moving pocket is kind of out of the question. Poor field vision so Petras couldn't really work with a scrambled field. I suppose the habit of locking onto the primary target developed because he rarely had time for a second or third look. The line wasn't great in 21.

Think of all the things that had to go wrong to puke up the '22 offense?
 
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Give me a break..."historically"? Petras won 12 games in a row at one point. What we have had is a historically bad offensive line. I don't care if it was Bryce Young back there...he isn't going to have success if guys are getting to him in 1.5 seconds.

I'm not saying Petras was all world, but when we protected him, he showed he could make enough plays to win games.
Petras was putrid.
 

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There is no Petras factor. If you take a cold, reflective, deep look at Iowa's offense in 2022 - it was everything. And everything begins with play design, pre-snap recognitions, the snap of the ball to, yes, execution. The offense was not good and everyone on the offense gets a bite of that sandwich. So, if there is a Petras Factor -- it might be that held things together. Because while it wasn't good -- it's pretty close to impossible to find the series, let alone, game where the effort wasn't visible. Or finger pointing and notably poor bad body language was. What will make a difference in 2023 is no secret -- every element has to operate better.
Let’s not forget who the OC & QB Coach was as well.
 

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Kaleb Johnson was able to have some success. Same O-line. Just sayin'. QB sure didn't have much....

So did his position coach when he was a RB during a low point in Iowa football history.
 

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This isn't something I say just to say it. Petras was probably the worst QB to start a game under Kirk Ferentz.