The ongoing investigation that's over

[Uncle Ruckus]

I had to see for myself after a friend told me, but ED has a thread claiming the OM saga continues. I've seen in speculated here but nothing solid. If that true, and they are still trying to pin stuff on them and succeed in doing so, they are 17ing done. Like ****** for our lifetimes done. SMU was a powerhouse who had won multiple conference titles, went undefeated and almost played for a championship and they didn't have a winning season for 20 something years. OM isn't SMU of the 80s, meaning if SMU can't recover then they are 17ed.

 

[patdog]

What possible reason could the NCAA have to continue to spend time and money on this? There's a limit to the penalties they can give without just shutting a program down completely. They hit that limit with the last letter and they're not going to give them the death penalty.

 

[AlSwearengen]

I don't think the 2nd noa or the amended noa, whichever you prefer involved this latest recruiting cycle. When ole miss had several highly rated players committed (including willie gay) and then they all of a sudden started decommiting one after the other, that was a clear sign that something was up.

They apparently kept it up with this last class and it will be interesting to see if the death penalty is on the table. We will have a better idea once their penalties are handed down from the first two noa's.

 

[Dawgbite]

The NCAA wants to see humble contrition and honest remorse. Until they get that, its easier to investigate a bunch of dumbasses who don't know how to cheat than it is to go start snooping around a program that knows what they are doing.

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

Sacrifice a goat in the Grove?

will that do it?

 

[Dawgbite]

will that do it?

Would only be remorseful to the beastiality pervs. I think they would have to burn a bunch of penny loafers and ascots to appease the gods.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

Could it be possible that the athletics investigations triggered egregious academic fraud or criminal investigations, to the point where NCAA is having to cooperate with, shall we say, higher authorities? (FBI, gov't oversight committee, etc)

 

[Wizard.sixpack]

I don't think the 2nd noa or the amended noa, whichever you prefer involved this latest recruiting cycle. When ole miss had several highly rated players committed (including willie gay) and then they all of a sudden started decommiting one after the other, that was a clear sign that something was up.

They apparently kept it up with this last class and it will be interesting to see if the death penalty is on the table. We will have a better idea once their penalties are handed down from the first two noa's.

Yes they kept doing it but they have not received sanctions, so how could it be repeat offender if it was ongoing?

 

[msstatelp1]

What possible reason could the NCAA have to continue to spend time and money on this? There's a limit to the penalties they can give without just shutting a program down completely. They hit that limit with the last letter and they're not going to give them the death penalty.

The reason? How about OM still hasn t stopped cheating. Most universities do everything in their power to play by the rules when they're under investigation but not OM. If anything OM has gotten worse. Also who says there's a limit on penalties? We can look at what the NCAA has done in the past but unprecedented levels of cheating require unprecedented levels of punishment. I'm betting that the death penalty is now on the table.

 

[patdog]

Also who says there's a limit on penalties? We can look at what the NCAA has done in the past but unprecedented levels of cheating require unprecedented levels of punishment. I'm betting that the death penalty is now on the table.

Practically, there's a limit. I'm not sure exactly where it is, but somewhere around 50-60 scholarships and 4 years bowl ban is about it. Anything above that and it just becomes meaningless as you wind up punishing innocent people who weren't anywhere near the school way back then the violations occurred. As for the death penalty, I'd be shocked it it's on the table right now.

 

[57stratdawg]

Rosebowl was pretty clear shortly after the 2nd NOA announcement that the investigation phase was over. Guess things might have changed?

There's been alot of smoke that the Nkemdichies are still being investigated. I'm not holding my breath on a 3rd NOA.

 

[engie]

Yes they kept doing it but they have not received sanctions, so how could it be repeat offender if it was ongoing?

Read the repeat offender clause. Football violations since track and women's basketball penalties were handed down qualify under the terms of the deal.

 

[coach66]

Answer, Hugh Freeze. They want him gone.

nm

 

[patdog]

He's gone just as soon as the COI meets and hands out penalties.

 

[coach66]

Never underestimate that groups ability to cling to a "lost cause".

nm

 

[patdog]

They won't have a choice. You're right, they won't fire him voluntarily. That was made very clear a couple of weeks ago. It's been pretty fun to watch them literally do the exact opposite of what's in their best interest at every turn in this investigation.

 

[MaroonNation]

I have said that when all is said and done the Bears will have wished for the DP. They would recover more quickly.

 

[aTotal360]

Someone help me out...did anything in the amendment point to the "draft day" debacle or its participants?

 

[patdog]

That's pretty much what I've been saying too. They won't get the death penalty, but they might wish they had.

 

[MaroonNation]

Could it be possible that the athletics investigations triggered egregious academic fraud or criminal investigations, to the point where NCAA is having to cooperate with, shall we say, higher authorities? (FBI, gov't oversight committee, etc)

This is not the direction the NCAA would want to take. That's what cost them Miami.

 

[MaroonNation]

Someone help me out...did anything in the amendment point to the "draft day" debacle or its participants?

We don't know. Only people who have seen it are people who have lied about EVERYTHING to date.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

True, they needed the FBI to use subpoenas to track Shapiro's money at Miami, but NCAA has OM dead to rights and doesn't need an agency with subpoena powers. My question is, if the investigation uncovered some serious **** (drug trafficking, bribery, extortion, misuse of state funds). I hate to give the plantation network this kind of organizational credit, but RICO, and anti-SLAPP laws can be very easy to apply, especially the messier this thing gets. If the NCAA wants his *** gone and OM Admn keeps treading water, I wonder if NCAA might dangle them with the Feds. This is seriously the worst Div 1 college scandal I've ever seen.

 

[patdog]

All the NCAA has to do to get Freeze gone is give him a long show cause. Which they will do when the COI meets. They certainly don't need the Feds help or to continue investigating him. A lot of y'all are trying to make this a lot more complicated than it is. It's over. All that's left is the formalities of UM's response and then take it to the COI.

 

[T-TownDawgg]

Hell, I've been reading too many John Grisham novels

 

[patdog]

He could probably churn out 1,000 pages on a book about this pretty easily if he wanted to.

 

[CochiseCowbell]

He could probably churn out 1,000 pages on a book about this pretty easily if he wanted to.

I'll take Rosebowl's version, thank you very much.

I don't know any details (other than what's been shared here) on Grisham's distancing himself from State, but I feel he'd just write it on the whole of Mississippi: painting it as an idyllic place to grow up, yet morally reprehensible from an adult's eyes.

 

[MeridianDog]

Practically, there's a limit. I'm not sure exactly where it is.

98,437,213 scholarships lost over 32,145 years and allowing the use of only MSU stinky cups in the grove until hell freezes over is the max limit available to NCAA. Anyone with any common sense would know that. And the street around the courthouse in Oxford must be renamed Freeze Circle.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Best quote I`ve seen by far about this cluster

"They won`t stop cheating long enough to get punished"

 

[johnson86-1]

Practically, there's a limit. I'm not sure exactly where it is, but somewhere around 50-60 scholarships and 4 years bowl ban is about it. Anything above that and it just becomes meaningless as you wind up punishing innocent people who weren't anywhere near the school way back then the violations occurred. As for the death penalty, I'd be shocked it it's on the table right now.

This completely ignores deterrence. If the NCAA wants to really send a message to other schools considering going all in (or at least non-blue blood schools looking to go all in), 100 scholarships over 10 years absolutely does it better than 50-60 scholarships and a 4 year bowl ban. And it doesn't really punish any more innocent people than a 50-60 scholarship reduction and a 4 year ban, because anybody additional that is suffers from the penalties beyond that are going to be people that know what the situation is going into it.

Also, if the NCAA is really still snooping around, it may just be insurance in case the COI doesn't come down as hard as they want. If I understand it correctly, the COI is basically separate from the people doing the investigation. If the COI doesn't hammer Ole Miss, the people doing the investigations may want to quickly come back to the COI with more violations and repeat offender status, which would presumably convince the COI that a scorched earth approach is necessary.

 

[bulldognation]

I think the quote was they can't stop cheating long enough to be punished.

 

[yjnkdawg]

Someone help me out...did anything in the amendment point to the "draft day" debacle or its participants?

We don't really know because OM told us what they wanted us to know. In reality though they did not want us or the media to actually know. It was to hopefully relieve some fears that the OM Family has had about the NCAA investigation.

 

[L4Dawg]

Yes they kept doing it but they have not received sanctions, so how could it be repeat offender if it was ongoing?

If they got caught doing anything after the probation for track and women's basketball came down the they ARE under repeat offender status. That in cludes ALL sports, not just the ones under sanction.

 

[bulldognation]

They can't wait to tell their side of the story.

 

[Snog]

That's pretty much what I've been saying too. They won't get the death penalty, but they might wish they had.

It will be very interesting to track the simultaneous fortunes of UAB and Ole miss football over the next decade.

 

[Shamoan]

They are most likely done. They have enough to do whatever they want at this point. Anything more would be a tremendous waste of resources on their part. It's not like you can kill someone twice via death by a thousand cuts.

 

[icouldjustpuke]

A thread such as this drew immediate ridicule from Bafoom two years ago. Now not so much as a peep. What's up?

 

[BiscuitEater]

Lot's of simularities and big differences ..

What possible reason could the NCAA have to continue to spend time and money on this? There's a limit to the penalties they can give without just shutting a program down completely. They hit that limit with the last letter and they're not going to give them the death penalty.

But North Carolina just got their 3rd NOA in the 5 year long investigation and is facing NCAA charges for providing improper extra benefits tied to its multi-year academic fraud scandal. The school on Thursday released a third Notice of Allegations from the NCAA that outlines rules violations.

BONUS for OM lurkers .. the 'three stooges' (Vitter, Bjork & Bucky) and the OM 'talking heads' (Chuckles, Yanc, David, etc) are lying to you when they insist that EVERY school withholds NOAs for the 90/120 period before releasing to the public. UNC got their 3rd NOA on 13 Dec and released it to public on 21 Dec. For those with a degree from OM, that is 8 days.

CHAPEL HILL (LINK) UNC-Chapel Hill has received a third notice of allegations from the NCAA in the academic fraud case, several weeks after appearing before the association’s Committee on Infractions in a rare procedural hearing. The fresh set of charges from the enforcement agency marks yet another unusual turn in a case that has now stretched beyond five years.

Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/college/acc/unc/article122190244.html#storylink=cpy​

 

[Philly Dawg]

There are a couple of reasons that prosecutors continue to investigate other crimes when they've already built a case. First, they want a fall back if the subject of their investigation is able to defeat the first charge. Second, they want to continue to pile on pressure until the subject agrees to plead guilty and take the deal the prosecutor wants. This could be similar if it's actually true.

 

[Indndawg]

Officially, it WON'T be the death penality

The reason? How about OM still hasn t stopped cheating. Most universities do everything in their power to play by the rules when they're under investigation but not OM. If anything OM has gotten worse. Also who says there's a limit on penalties? We can look at what the NCAA has done in the past but unprecedented levels of cheating require unprecedented levels of punishment. I'm betting that the death penalty is now on the table.

but
unofficially it will be like a death. I truly blv that the COI's penalties will be so devastating, that Mississippi will wish they'd have gotten a real DP and get to start over from scratch.

 

[MaroonNation]

Anything above that and it just becomes meaningless as you wind up punishing innocent people who weren't anywhere near the school .

If you attend OM at any time in the past or future you are automtically guilty of egregious levels of douchebaggery