The NCAA investigation isn't over
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One thing I noticed in om's press release was that there was a list of benefits tunsil received, but no mention of who supplied them to tunsil. Seems like if it were agents, the OM release would be quick to point that out. If a booster was behind the gifts, how would OM avoid receiving a punishment themselves in addition to tunsil's?
It's over.
The Black Bears have hidden all the evidence in their Bear cave---ironically we sent them most of the evidence back when Rev. Freezus requested it.
The NCAA will never defeat the Black Bears...that is a job only a Bulldog can do.
The Black Bears have hidden all the evidence in their Bear cave---ironically we sent them most of the evidence back when Rev. Freezus requested it.
The NCAA will never defeat the Black Bears...that is a job only a Bulldog can do.
Well since it's been 3 years since the violations with the women's basketball came to light and they still have not received the notice of allegations, it is safe to say that the investigation is not over yet. ULL received a LOI, investigated the violations, received a notice of allegations, and responded to the allegations, all of this after the basketball issue at Ole Miss and still they do not have a notice of allegations. Then you have to conclude that they are investigating the entire athletic department and are waiting to complete all of it before they make the allegations.
What, if anything comes of it, I don't know. With the Saunders deal coming out, you have two programs with acedemic fraud charges out there now. The NCAA has been hitting schools hard for that recently with SMU and UNC. I think I read somewhere about a year ago the NCAA was investigating 18 D1 schools for acedemic violations and the NCAA stated they were going to go after those issues pretty hard. Not that anything they have found at Ole Miss reaches those levels by any means.
And does anyone know why their track coach resigned so suddenly? What was the issue with him? Is it related to any of this or was there health reasons or something?
As far as a LOI, they may already have one for the basketball deal and probably do, if they are keeping it somewhat separate. We may just not know when they got it. ULL got theirs in Jan 2014 (someone correct me if I am wrong) and it wasn't reported on until we learned about the violations with the school releasing the response and notice of allegations from the NCAA. If the NCAA is looking to stack all of this into one allegation, then who knows when all this concludes.
What, if anything comes of it, I don't know. With the Saunders deal coming out, you have two programs with acedemic fraud charges out there now. The NCAA has been hitting schools hard for that recently with SMU and UNC. I think I read somewhere about a year ago the NCAA was investigating 18 D1 schools for acedemic violations and the NCAA stated they were going to go after those issues pretty hard. Not that anything they have found at Ole Miss reaches those levels by any means.
And does anyone know why their track coach resigned so suddenly? What was the issue with him? Is it related to any of this or was there health reasons or something?
As far as a LOI, they may already have one for the basketball deal and probably do, if they are keeping it somewhat separate. We may just not know when they got it. ULL got theirs in Jan 2014 (someone correct me if I am wrong) and it wasn't reported on until we learned about the violations with the school releasing the response and notice of allegations from the NCAA. If the NCAA is looking to stack all of this into one allegation, then who knows when all this concludes.
give it up people...I know we were all hoping that they were finally going to get what they deserve but lets be honest with ourselves. We all know nothing major is going to happen to them. In the meantime, we have a football program too. Lets focus on that.
I really don't know what to expect from the NCAA investigation at OM. Even if they do get something, I'm not sure it will be that big of a deal. After saying that, our fans act like OM is just completely untouchable by the NCAA. I promise you that if the NCAA will punish Usc and Ohio state that they will OM too if they find a reason to. It's all gonna come down to what the NCAA uncovers in their investigation. I would like to know who the NCAA has determined was behind the gifts to tunsil
Well the original post didn't say anything about possible penalties or how bad they will be. Just that the investigation isn't over. Which is true. What penalties they get, if it's a hammer or slap on the wrist, who knows.
Please dear God please let someone get caught with their hand in the pic-a-nic basket. Honestly, for me it would be worth it to win. They can't take away the feeling of being number #1 for 5 weeks last year, or the high that Ole Miss has felt last year or even this year. Both schools should be soaking in the feeling right now, Croom and Orgeron facing off was less than 10 years ago.
To add and clarify what I said earlier about a letter of inquiry. I believe Ole Miss has already received that from the NCAA. Bjork last Oct when the yahoo sports article came out about multiple programs being investigated specifically said they were working with the NCAA in an ongoing investigation and they have not received a Notice of Allegations nor does it have a date set for a hearing before the Committee on Infractions. You have to get the letter of inquiry first. After the inquiry ends, the enforcement staff decides whether to bring formal allegations in the form of "notice of allegations". Which is what Bjork said he was waiting on. They already have a LOI or else he would not be waiting on the notice of allegations which is the next step after the LOI and subsequent investigation. And they would not met with the COI unless they appeal the COI decision and penalties. Now do they have seperate LOI for each program, I don't know, but going by the article that sited multiple programs under investigation including the football program, I think it was all inclusive or the investigation of one program led to others being found in violations. If it just about Saunders or more, I don't know.
Disagree. The best thing we can do is not ignore it. If you think that they didn't use it negatively in recruiting against State, you would be wrong. The best thing to happen would be for it to hang over their head year after year.
Most or all of the benefits were from Cannon Motors. That's been reported numerous times. The owner lives in Oxford and played for U of Memphis.
And no, the NCAA never releases a statement at the end of an investigation. They notify the school and the school releases a statement if they wish to.
Same thing with us at conclusion of the Redmond deal: NCAA never released anything publicly.
And no, the NCAA never releases a statement at the end of an investigation. They notify the school and the school releases a statement if they wish to.
Same thing with us at conclusion of the Redmond deal: NCAA never released anything publicly.
They keep being hung up, mainly trying make fun of our fanbase, on the Letter of Inquiry. Where is it if we are being investigated? Is stance several of them take. Bjork would not make the statement that he is waiting on the notice of allegations if he had not received the LOI prior and they are in the investigation process along side the NCAA. Ole Miss has the LOI or they lied about waiting on the NOA. The process timeline is not that hard to understand. Whether they want to admit it or its just spin, it's kind of silly when your ad had already acknowledged where you are in the process. Here is a link for the process and a notice of inquiry is on of the first things you will receive.
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Infractions Timeline - Web.pdf
Oh and for those who still believe that it's just Tunsil:
If an eligibility issue is uncovered during the course of an investigation, it is the responsibility of the institution, rather than the NCAA, to declare an athlete ineligible. The athlete remains ineligible until undergoing the student-athlete reinstatement process, which is entirely separate from the enforcement process.
During the course of an investigation which we know has been taking place for over 3 years.
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/Infractions Timeline - Web.pdf
Oh and for those who still believe that it's just Tunsil:
If an eligibility issue is uncovered during the course of an investigation, it is the responsibility of the institution, rather than the NCAA, to declare an athlete ineligible. The athlete remains ineligible until undergoing the student-athlete reinstatement process, which is entirely separate from the enforcement process.
During the course of an investigation which we know has been taking place for over 3 years.
The NCAA certainly does release a statement when an investigation is complete.
Here's the report on the recently completed investigation at SMU:
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/SMU%20Public%20Decision_Corrected%20Penalties.pdf
Here's the report on the recently completed investigation at SMU:
http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/SMU%20Public%20Decision_Corrected%20Penalties.pdf
PLOI is not a thing anymore. You got your NOI, NOA, COI and Summary Disposition.
OM probably received a Notice of Inquiry back in 2012 related to their women's basketball coach being fired and some vague references to football indiscretions in the Nutt era. NOI's are easy to keep from the public as it is just sent to the Chancellor or President and not released publicly by the NCAA.
A Notice of Allegations is more difficult to keep quiet as copies are sent to every organization involved, every person involved, witnesses, etc., but the NCAA doesn't release it publicly. Louisiana-Lafayette's NCAA investigation went public this week but they received their NOA back in May of this year.
Once a NOA is sent a schedule is set up for the university's response and a meeting before the Committee on Infractions. Once the NCAA reviews the university's response and the committee testimony they will eventually decide on the penalties for the university and individuals involved.
The final report that details the infractions and the penalties is referred to as the Summary Disposition or the Public Infractions Decision. This is the only time the NCAA makes everything public with a press release and putting it into their Major Infractions Database.
If the NCAA/OM found something serious enough to fire the Women's Basketball head coach and two assistants it seems inevitable that there will eventually be a NOA, COI meetings and a Public Infractions Decision. Whether the football program is part of that may be in question, but with the Tunsil case and the former OM coach being involved and fired because of the Louisiana-Lafayette NCAA investigation that's a strong possibility.
OM probably received a Notice of Inquiry back in 2012 related to their women's basketball coach being fired and some vague references to football indiscretions in the Nutt era. NOI's are easy to keep from the public as it is just sent to the Chancellor or President and not released publicly by the NCAA.
A Notice of Allegations is more difficult to keep quiet as copies are sent to every organization involved, every person involved, witnesses, etc., but the NCAA doesn't release it publicly. Louisiana-Lafayette's NCAA investigation went public this week but they received their NOA back in May of this year.
Once a NOA is sent a schedule is set up for the university's response and a meeting before the Committee on Infractions. Once the NCAA reviews the university's response and the committee testimony they will eventually decide on the penalties for the university and individuals involved.
The final report that details the infractions and the penalties is referred to as the Summary Disposition or the Public Infractions Decision. This is the only time the NCAA makes everything public with a press release and putting it into their Major Infractions Database.
If the NCAA/OM found something serious enough to fire the Women's Basketball head coach and two assistants it seems inevitable that there will eventually be a NOA, COI meetings and a Public Infractions Decision. Whether the football program is part of that may be in question, but with the Tunsil case and the former OM coach being involved and fired because of the Louisiana-Lafayette NCAA investigation that's a strong possibility.
That's correct of course Rabbit. Just everybody still calls the notice of inquiry a LOI. The NCAA wouldn't have conducted interviews on campus without it being issued.
19.7.3 Notice of Inquiry to Institution.
Before the enforcement staff conducts an inquiry on an institution's campus, the enforcement staff shall notify the institution's president or chancellor of the inquiry, either orally or in writing. This notice shall toll the statute of limitations. The institution shall be informed of its obligation to cooperate and of the confidential nature of the inquiry. The institution shall be notified that if the inquiry develops reliable information of a possible Level I or II violation, a notice of allegations will be produced. In the alternative, the institution will be notified that the matter may be processed as a Level III or IV violation or that the matter has been concluded. (Revised: 10/27/11)
19.7.3 Notice of Inquiry to Institution.
Before the enforcement staff conducts an inquiry on an institution's campus, the enforcement staff shall notify the institution's president or chancellor of the inquiry, either orally or in writing. This notice shall toll the statute of limitations. The institution shall be informed of its obligation to cooperate and of the confidential nature of the inquiry. The institution shall be notified that if the inquiry develops reliable information of a possible Level I or II violation, a notice of allegations will be produced. In the alternative, the institution will be notified that the matter may be processed as a Level III or IV violation or that the matter has been concluded. (Revised: 10/27/11)
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