The Mullen Truth

[RutherfordBHayes]

I do a lot of reading on social media, message boards, and sports writers. That qualifies me as somewhat of an expert on the subject.

There are 2 undeniable truths about Mullen:
1. He’s as good as gone. He’s going to Florida or Tennessee or A&M or Rutgers. There’s no question about it. His bags are packed.
2. When he doesn’t go anywhere, it just proves he’s a terrible coach, and nobody wants him.

 

[msu84grad]

Just look at the preseason polls. Sports writers are real clairvoyants***** (and I wuz one)!

 

[karlchilders.sixpack]

There can be no doubt

this year: that he has had other options.

Non of this... he did, did not.

Hope he stays...

aTm does concern me...going forward. (even for next year)

Fla pass
Tn. likely pass... Orange just don't cut it.
Arky...may or may not open...but I doubt DM would be really interested.

JMO...

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

Just look at the preseason polls. Sports writers are real clairvoyants***** (and I wuz one)!

And I’ll add that these days, sportswriters are about as exclusive a club as patrons of Shoney’s.

 

[bulldognation]

No to TN

Orange isn’t in Megan’s color wheel

 

[xxxWalkTheDawg]

I do a lot of reading on social media, message boards, and sports writers. That qualifies me as somewhat of an expert on the subject.

There are 2 undeniable truths about Mullen:
1. He’s as good as gone. He’s going to Florida or Tennessee or A&M or Rutgers. There’s no question about it. His bags are packed.
2. When he doesn’t go anywhere, it just proves he’s a terrible coach, and nobody wants him.

Dont forget that he is a terrible at interviews and just walks into other AD’s offices like he owns the place while propping his feet up on the desk. That’s why he hasn’t left yet. He just can’t get another jerb!

 

[dawgphd]

TN is the school of most concern

- Per Rosebowl tonight

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

Seriously, the question is how much is Dan worth to another school compared to what is he worth to MSU. Frankly, he’s worth more to us than he is to these other schools. We can afford to pay whatever these other schools will be WILLING (not capable) to pay.

We’re likely to match any offer that he’ll realistically get. Is Dan worth $7Million to UT? I doubt it. $6Million? Probably not. Will MSU match a $6Million offer? Absolutely.

It will boil down to whether or not Dan WANTS to go because it won’t be money.

 

[AustinDawg]

You are a dumb frick

My bad.
After a lot of scotch misread pt2, hence a major edit.

As a mea culpa, I will add, that I think folks underrate the idea of building a "legacy". Mullen is about 1.5 seasons away from being the current ALL TIME wins leader @ state...

If he went to Florida, he is in Spurrier's shadow.
At State, he can make his own shadow,.

Apologies again Mr Hayes

 

[msstatelp1]

I don't post often anymore, but as an avid reader of SPS, I understand your implied sarcarsteriscks, but a lot of random message board traveler's will not.

Well done on giving more ****** talking points to internet trolls.

State fans really are our own worst enemy.

This isn't his opinion, it's the way the so called sportswriters treat Mullen. He's either going to another job or he's a horrible coach that can't get another job. There's no in between with them. Most of them act PO'd when Dan stays with us.

 

[coach66]

I think this is because TN has acutally made contact, I think TAMU is the

biggest threat.

 

[johnson86-1]

biggest threat.

I think people worrying about UTenn are idiots. Unless the Mullens just want to live in Knoxville when they're done coaching, it doesn't make any sense.

A&M is at least in theory a sleeping giant and would be on the same general level as UF, UGA, LSU, and Bama if they got it together. There's just nothing to suggest that UT should be anything different than USCe anymore.

 

[whosyourdawgy]

Until Saban is gone the UT job is not an easier path to the playoffs. At MSU, ya gotta beat Bama once. At UT, you will likely have to beat them twice to get in the playoffs. If that’s the argument, the UT job may be the toughest P5 school in the country to have a shot at making the 4 team playoff.

 

[8dog]

No. You just have to beat them once. In the seccg. And getting to that game is much easier at tenn right now

 

[Southern Law Dawg]

No. You just have to beat them once. In the seccg. And getting to that game is much easier at tenn right now

Alabama is UT's permanent western division rival. They would have to beat them in the regular season and in the SECCG.

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

My bad.
After a lot of scotch misread pt2, hence a major edit.

As a mea culpa, I will add, that I think folks underrate the idea of building a "legacy". Mullen is about 1.5 seasons away from being the current ALL TIME wins leader @ state...

If he went to Florida, he is in Spurrier's shadow.
At State, he can make his own shadow,.

Apologies again Mr Hayes

Mullen is less than 1.5 years from all time wins leader. He's sitting on 67 today. Should be at least 70 by year end. He wins 6 games next year, easy. He's about to pass the King.

And that's Mr. President to you.

 

[philduckworth]

UT is a giant. They just haven't hired the right guy since Fulmer. And high school talent in TN has gotten better since the Fulmer days.

I think Mullen should ride out this Ole Miss downturn, and leave MSU after Key Thompson's senior year. There will be some good openings then too.

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

I don't get the Texas &M fear. They've never done anything. Sleeping giant? Maybe. But Texas will sabotage that every step of the way.

No. I don't perceive A&M as a threat for Mullen nor do I perceive Tennessee as a threat. I think Florida is a threat, but there seems to be a lot of personal baggage there. Baggage that Mullen doesn't have to deal with. At the end of the day, is all of that worth it for him? I don't know.

Now LSU is a true monster, and that job will be open soon enough.

 

[stateu1]

Alabama is UT's permanent western division rival. They would have to beat them in the regular season and in the SECCG.

UT could lose to Bama in the regular season, win every other game including Bama in SECCG and make playoff. (That's only beating Bama once).

 

[johnson86-1]

UT is a giant. They just haven't hired the right guy since Fulmer. And high school talent in TN has gotten better since the Fulmer days.

What makes you think UT is a giant? What makes them any more of a giant than USCe? Tennessee has a decent population, but Knoxville isn't close to a lot of it and a lot of it is in areas that don't produce a lot of talent per capita anyway.

Certainly UT can be "back" with the hire of a good coach. But Back is just the last decade of the Fulmer years, where they have some really good years, mostly good years, and a couple of bad years.

 

[patdog]

Tennessee is 9th in all-time wins (2nd in the SEC).

 

[Drebin]

Tennessee is 9th in all-time wins (2nd in the SEC).

Meaningless stat to me and it should be meaningless to everyone. I don't care how many wins teams had pre-integration, or pre-expansion, for that matter. Why should Tennessee get credit today for wins they banked in the 50s and 60s? Same for Ole Miss. Meaningless ********.

I get the money and the size of the fanbase but outside of backing into the SECC in 2007, Tennessee hasn't done much of anything this century. It's hard to recruit there and harder to win there nowadays.

 

[patdog]

It's meaningful. Programs at the top of that list may be down for a while but tend to always come back eventually. Tennessee will too. And don't throw UMiss into this discussion. They're not in the top 30 (may not be in the top 40 after the NCAA issues their penalties).

 

[Drebin]

It's meaningful. Programs at the top of that list may be down for a while but tend to always come back eventually. Tennessee will too. And don't throw UMiss into this discussion. They're not in the top 30 (may not be in the top 40 after the NCAA issues their penalties).

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree but it's not meaningful at all. College freshmen today were just now being born at best when Peyton was directing the band in Knoxville. High school players today only know a world where Tennessee is mediocre. Their all time record is never going to win a game for them. Their program prestige has been in a nosedive for a decade. Yes they have lots of resources, and yes, the right hire can turn it around. But it won't have anything to do with Johnny Majors's coaching record.

 

[ShrubDog]

Mullen is really a mormon, BYU is starting to grow legs.

 

[RutherfordBHayes]

It's meaningful. Programs at the top of that list may be down for a while but tend to always come back eventually. Tennessee will too. And don't throw UMiss into this discussion. They're not in the top 30 (may not be in the top 40 after the NCAA issues their penalties).

Disagree. Times change.

Army was a juggernaut for 60 years. Then, West Point became less and less of an appeal as local Universities began to add real competition.

Notre Dame was the best there was for 70 years. Then, priests and nuns began to teach and coach high school less, high school football moved out of urban areas away from Catholic Irish and Italian kids, etc. As long as Notre Dame has money and places an emphasis on football, they'l be decent. But they'll never be what they were. They pay Brian Kelly $1.6 million! They won't pay as much as MSU!

This television money is now changing the game again, and MSU is benefiting. That is killing Tennessee and Nebraska where local kids can't play as good as sun belt kids. Watch. Both of these schools will end up with duds, not named Mullen. Tennessee is doomed.

 

[DAWG61]

UT is a giant.

Tennessee is no giant unless you want to start counting the top 30 programs as "giants". That term gets thrown around so often it turns regular sized ones into giants.

Tennessee won so much in the 90's cause Phil was cheating his *** off, could draw recruits using Neyland stadium, could draw recruits using Peyton Manning and Reggie White and could pluck the 3rd tier guys from Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, South Carolina, Kentucky cause there was about 20 less D1 football programs that were worth a **** in those states back then. Phil also recruited very well in California. All of those things have totally dried up for Tennessee now. They ain't no giant unless your brain is stuck in 1998 like all UT fans heads are.

 

[johnson86-1]

It's meaningful. Programs at the top of that list may be down for a while but tend to always come back eventually. Tennessee will too. And don't throw UMiss into this discussion. They're not in the top 30 (may not be in the top 40 after the NCAA issues their penalties).

They come back, except when they don't. But if you're just saying UT is a top 30 program, that doesn't seem crazy, and they probably will hover in range from teh high teens to high thirties, but that doesn't make them a giant and certainly not a team that is usually going to be able to poach a successful coach from an SEC program not named Vandy or Kentucky.

 

[BossDawg78]

This isn't his opinion, it's the way the so called sportswriters treat Mullen. He's either going to another job or he's a horrible coach that can't get another job. There's no in between with them. Most of them act PO'd when Dan stays with us.

I know. It's weird isn't it? Wyatt even threw out the idea on H2H just now. It's like people WANT him to leave.

Eta: and he's still pimping out the idea. Good Lord. I'm not gonna lie, this obsession with Mullen going to Florida (or anywhere, every year) sandpapers the hell out of my ***, and it's nothing but speculation and dot-connecting. You know it's jacked up when even those who are associated with State can't shut up for 5 minutes about it.

 

[dickiedawg]

Brian Kelly makes more than 1.6, I guarantee you that. As a private school ND doesn't have the same reporting requirements as most schools.

 

[dawgphd]

Brian Kelly makes more than 1.6, I guarantee you that. As a private school ND doesn't have the same reporting requirements as most schools.

I can't find where I read it but Kelly was in the 4mm plus club on the list.

 

[bruiser.sixpack]

You are hitting the nail on the head.

When UT was winning, Bama, UGA and LSU were their main competition for Southern Recruits. Florida was up and down until Spurrier left Duke to make them the power they should be with talent in that state. But UT is now in a very similar situation to us. Memphis is now a better program that west Tennessee kids will sign with. Vandy has become more competitive, possibly due to relaxed Academic restrictions for athletes. Middle Tenn. has had some mid-level success. Western Kentucky has moved to D1. Louisville and Kentucky are more competitive and keeping players north of the border. UT ain't getting the Mississippi players they used to. They cannot recruit nationally like Fulmer and Majors did.

Nebraska still doesn't have the instate competition, but they moved to the wrong conference for their recruiting footprint. They should have stayed in the Big 12 and recruited Texas.

Dan isn't going to another SEC School.

 

[MaroonNation]

I think people worrying about UTenn are idiots. Unless the Mullens just want to live in Knoxville when they're done coaching, it doesn't make any sense.

A&M is at least in theory a sleeping giant and would be on the same general level as UF, UGA, LSU, and Bama if they got it together. There's just nothing to suggest that UT should be anything different than USCe anymore.

Waaay too much booster involvement at A&M. Mullen has never been the type to rub elbows with the big dogs. That’s why A&M is in the shape they are in as well as Texas, Tennessee and Ole Miss. The good programs keep the meddling out.

 

[Palos verdes]

I think the only SEC school of any interest to Mullen right now, besides MSU, is Tennessee. I can see the appeal to live in that area as opposed to College Station, however the road to win the SEC is about to be more difficult for UT. Georgia is primed to own the East, and UT plays Bama. That is really unfortunate for their next HC.

So it makes you question how much more Mullen could get accomplished at UT, than he can at MSU. Maybe two more wins a year on average, if you do exceptionally well. Even so, how much job security does that buy, long term??

 

[TheStateUofMS]

Tennessee does recruit well, but their coach is a bad really bad developer. He looked like a pathetic motivator on and SEC Inside type show as well. I was embarrassed for Tennessee fans when I saw him yelling at the team in practice.