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graddawg

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Could be complete BS but here's what I just heard at 9:05 CST. They're thinking the religious leaders' statements whipped up enough votes to go to a vote on Thursday or Friday. If that works, they're going to use the bicentennial banner w/ just the state seal and release four flag options for a vote in November. Two will be the Stennis and Magnolia flags w/ other two created by students from State/OM/USM/JSU/etc. Take that for what it's worth. Call your representatives ASAP and tell them it's time to change the damn flag.

I hope you are right, but I'm told this morning that the "Chris McDaniel Posse" has enough no votes in the senate to beat a suspension resolution. I do think the House is ready to move forward with removal.
 

maroonmania

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Words or seals don't belong on a flag. And the stars literally don't mean anything if you had to add a "previous state flags" just because "7 stars looks better than 6."

Heck, I don't even see what would be wrong with keeping what's on the flag now but just replacing the stars and bars in the upper left corner with a Magnolia blossom or something. That way folks that like the current basic design of the flag would have less to gripe about. But either way, just change it to something else.
 

horshack.sixpack

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Oct 30, 2012
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If you are wondering why all of a sudden the Churches have jumped in the fray wanting the flag to be changed it is because the progressives are "Promising" them that the new flag will have "In God We Trust" on it. This is obliviously a lie. They might propose it only to snatch it away at the eleventh hour. The progs are pulling every political move in the book to try and get our legislators to vote to suspend the rules for the flag vote.

If you think that the MS Baptist took advice, or even listened to, "the progs", I would like to sell you some stuff at a very reasonable price.
 

horshack.sixpack

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Oct 30, 2012
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How does anybody listen to that guy at this point. The fact that he has any relevance diminishes my faith in humanity a bit...
 

Villagedawg

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I haven't seen the Stennis flag, but flags are often based on significant facts. We were the 20th state, making 20 a relevant number. No way you could explain 7 if one of them acknowledges the CSA. Any other number seems too random, begging questions for which there is no answer other than, "it looks cool".

I'd avoid the green for fertile land and blue for water because those are not at all unique to Mississippi, so why make them a central feature? Red, white & blue because we are a member of the USA & those are our country's colors. Magnolia because it is our state flower and a thing we are known for that is not perceived as a negative (unless you have grown one in your yard). A slogan that again ties to our state (Father of Rivers), though I would not be opposed to using the state motto as you have suggested.

Other things I have considered is something on the flag that represents our Native American heritage...perhaps a symbol depicting peace or something like that, especially if it is relevant to the Choctaw, Chickasaw, Biloxi & Tupelo tribes, the 4 most prominent in our state's/territory's history.

Tupelo tribe? Are you thinking Natchez maybe?
 
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Please raise awareness that the Magnolia Flag is a Confederate flag. It will be so embarrassing if we remove a flag for featuring a Confederate symbol and replace it with an actual Confederate flag, all because we don't properly teach history.
 

horshack.sixpack

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If they just remove this one, I'll be good. Let designers design, let people vote, take years and years of arguing over it, but get the racist one down immediately.
 

Go Budaw

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I hear.... In God We Trust (Probably the State Seal) is going to be on a new flag.

Hopefully that doesn't offend some.

Could offend some, but it’s also a statement that is on federally issued currency, so I think there’s a lot less “oppression” rhetoric that can be drawn from it. I don’t think atheists really have anywhere near the same high ground as African Americans in regards to claiming systemic discrimination.

That being said, if the “In God We Trust” was left off of it to keep us from going through this ******** all over again a few years later with some other movement, it wouldn’t hurt my feelings either.
 

ckDOG

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Dec 11, 2007
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Somehow GA got a pass on this. I doubt MS would.

Please raise awareness that the Magnolia Flag is a Confederate flag. It will be so embarrassing if we remove a flag for featuring a Confederate symbol and replace it with an actual Confederate flag, all because we don't properly teach history.

The flag has to be completely fresh with no borrowed components from any other past flag associated with secession movements or the confederacy. Every idea that has significant support has these. Toss them in the trash and be completely genuine and come up with new ideas. But those can be argued tomorrow. Today, the legislature has to do right and take down the current.
 

QuaoarsKing

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Yes these are boring. Yes the top one looks like a bunch of other states and the bottom one looks like Missouri. Yes these are a missed opportunity to put something out there that is iconic that the whole country could recognize as Mississippi.

But whatever, if this is what it takes to get the Confederate imagery off our flag, so be it. Most state flags are forgettable and ours can be too if it has to.
 

patdog

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May 28, 2007
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I'd be OK with that as a compromise. Agree, the main thing is just change it to anything that doesn't reference back to the Confederacy.
 

patdog

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May 28, 2007
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GA won't get a pass forever. I suspect at some point, that will become an issue.
 

maroonmania

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Feb 23, 2008
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GA won't get a pass forever. I suspect at some point, that will become an issue.

Maybe so, but getting rid of the stars and bars gets us out of the NCAA/SEC crosshairs for the time being. That emblem is their only focus right now. None of the other Southern states that have flags with ties back to confederate imagery are having an issue with either the NCAA or the protest crowd. Bottom line for me, I don't care what the new flag is as long as it doesn't have the Confederate battle flag in it.
 

mstateglfr

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Feb 24, 2008
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Please raise awareness that the Magnolia Flag is a Confederate flag. It will be so embarrassing if we remove a flag for featuring a Confederate symbol and replace it with an actual Confederate flag, all because we don't properly teach history.


I didnt realize that flag with the tree on it was a Confederate symbol, though I completely accept that my history of Mississippi is quite incomplete.

Here is what the state of Mississippi legitimately needs to do(since it has such a history of welcoming outside suggestions***)
- adopt the state motto Per aspera ad astra (because it describes the state so perfectly)- put that motto on the flag along with a visual reference to the historically famous river that forms its western boundry, or put that motto on the flag along with a visual reference to something the state is known for- a magnolia flower.



- 17ing bars of color suck- leave that to France and a bunch of other countries.
- Dont put the damn name of the state on the flag.
- Simple and distinctive is best.
 

AFDawg

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Apr 28, 2010
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Putting a state seal or a detailed magnolia on a flag is like slapping a bulldog head on football pants.
 

patdog

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May 28, 2007
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I didnt realize that flag with the tree on it was a Confederate symbol, though I completely accept that my history of Mississippi is quite incomplete.
It was literally the flag Mississippi adopted when it seceded from the USA.
 
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We're to the point that any politician who continues to resist a change is going to go down on the wrong side of history when the change does happen and do serious damage to their political career and legacy.

They already are on the wrong side, because now if they do it, it was only because of immense pressure. They really missed an opportunity here to just do the right thing. Now they will be remembered as the legislature that was drug kicking and screaming on the last day of the session, to eat their peas only after every institution under the sun pinned them down and shoved the spoon into their mouth and held their nose.
 

o_Native Son

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I didnt realize that flag with the tree on it was a Confederate symbol, though I completely accept that my history of Mississippi is quite incomplete.

Here is what the state of Mississippi legitimately needs to do(since it has such a history of welcoming outside suggestions***)
- adopt the state motto Per aspera ad astra (because it describes the state so perfectly)- put that motto on the flag along with a visual reference to the historically famous river that forms its western boundry, or put that motto on the flag along with a visual reference to something the state is known for- a magnolia flower.



- 17ing bars of color suck- leave that to France and a bunch of other countries.
- Dont put the damn name of the state on the flag.
- Simple and distinctive is best.

That Latin motto is Kansas' state motto.
 

mstateglfr

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It was literally the flag Mississippi adopted when it seceded from the USA.

It makes sense for the full tree to not be considered, given the history.
A flower is a totally different image and should be considered.
 

QuaoarsKing

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Its better than the current flag and better than proposals to sneak an lesser known secessionist flag back up there, but it breaks some of the common vexilolgical rules of a "good flag" by having words, more than 3 colors, and a complex design. If a child can't draw it from memory, it's a bad flag.

If I were in the legislature, I'd push for the Stennis flag without the ring of stars, just keeping it simple with stripe, star, stripe. Obviously I would ultimately vote for whatever non-secessionist flag could get passed, but a very simple design could become a recognizable national brand for the state
 

JMC987

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They already are on the wrong side, because now if they do it, it was only because of immense pressure. They really missed an opportunity here to just do the right thing. Now they will be remembered as the legislature that was drug kicking and screaming on the last day of the session, to eat their peas only after every institution under the sun pinned them down and shoved the spoon into their mouth and held their nose.

When the flag gets changed, the legislature should absolutely be commended for a job well done.

Doesn't matter it didn't meet the timeline of a sports commissioner and a football player and joe sports fan.
 

ArcherSPS

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Aug 22, 2012
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They’ve completely 17ed this up from start to finish, so no I won’t do that. They should’ve done it after the Charleston shootings and didn’t. They should’ve done it 2001 and didn’t. There’s a few good ones but the State Senate is a bunch of chuckle17s.
 
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Nope Tupelo. Originally from Mississippi, but now in Louisiana & merged with the Biloxi. But you could add Natchez to the list, though I believe the Natchez were not thought to be very peaceful, even by Native American standards of the time.