The Joe Burrow lesson

[NorthwoodHusker]

Don’t disagree at all, I do see how it couldn’t have hurt bringing him in under Frost. I get that he already had his QB and Gebbia as well, so he felt good about the QB room, but I can’t disagree either with those who say we should have brought Burrow in. I was excited about that possibility when it was out there, but it never happened.

Oh well.

I agree, thats why it only makes sense why SF didn't,instead of why he should have. Coaches have to make decisions, and a guy who had zip for stats and his qb room set, I can see why.
At Oregon, he got burned taking several qbs, Terry Wilson being one of them, so many bolted, and SF changed his approach.
I also think Verdu had alot of influence in keeping the qb room a certain size.

 

[Anon1725817592]

So all that matters is if Urban Meyer offed? That is a pretty odd litmus test. There are plenty of great duel threat QB’s he didn’t offer and he has recruited plenty of bust, see Tate Martell. Pretending anyone knew Burrow would end up doing this as a three star recruit, buried on OSU’s bench is practicing some serious revisionist history.

So out of all the qbs urbo has turned successful including his 3rd string qb winning him a natty title...which who can actually do that?
You got one name that wasnt gangbusters for him?

Lol

Ok..I mean most people would probably kill to have that kind of success when u can only think of one name of a dude that didnt pan out for him..

I mean u are kind of making my point for me at this point.

 

[catch54]

If that’s truly how you feel, judging by your own posts about the last two seasons, your posting history has been the worst this board has seen in decades.

Maybe you should have chosen your response a little more carefully...

I don't know how old you are but I have been a Husker fan since 1971. I have seen what works and what doesn't work.

 

[timnsun]

I don't know how old you are but I have been a Husker fan since 1971. I have seen what works and what doesn't work.

Been a husker fan since I can remember, around 77 or so. I’ve seen a thing or two as well. And I know there’s more than one way to skin a cat.

 

[HuskerBruce81]

Been a husker fan since I can remember, around 77 or so. I’ve seen a thing or two as well. And I know there’s more than one way to skin a cat.

That is probably true most places. I'm wondering if it's true down in Lincoln.

 

[Headcard]

So out of all the qbs urbo has turned successful including his 3rd string qb winning him a natty title...which who can actually do that?
You got one name that wasnt gangbusters for him?

Lol

Ok..I mean most people would probably kill to have that kind of success when u can only think of one name of a dude that didnt pan out for him..

I mean u are kind of making my point for me at this point.

Your point is ridiculous. No one ever said he wasn’t a good coach or good at developing QB’s, but he takes one QB a year and even he isn’t always right. Just using if Meyer offered is a very silly way to judge a QB.

 

[leodisflowers]

It's a great story for Burrow, and glad it worked out for the kid. Things happen in life. A different track was chosen and he won a Heisman. If he comes here, he might have just been another face in the crowd on bad teams. Maybe he elevates us, maybe he doesn't but who cares.

 

[dinglefritz]

I don't know how old you are but I have been a Husker fan since 1971. I have seen what works and what doesn't work.

So you jumped on the bandwagon in 1971? LOL. You're still wet behind the ears.

 

[Anon1725817592]

Your point is ridiculous. No one ever said he wasn’t a good coach or good at developing QB’s, but he takes one QB a year and even he isn’t always right. Just using if Meyer offered is a very silly way to judge a QB.

Dude are u that dense? Lol

Are u really trying to argue that someones track record means nothing? Really?

So I guess we all should have thought a loser coach like Mike Riley would just be an eyelash away from winning a natty when we hired him at NU? Lol cause we should have ignored his track record?
How did that work out? He was a loser wasnt he?

Or hiringg Urban meyer and his past w and track record means nothing and maybe he will just be a loser coach? Lololol we should ignore his past success cause he is not really that good of a coach..lolol cause like u said..we should ignkre his past success.. right?

We should have given JB a look just based on the fact that our qb room was shaky at best, the fact that Urbo offered him, is going to at least make me take a hard look at him in addition to having a shaky at best qb room. Yes based on Urbans past success at selecting qbs..yes it would.

It may not make me offer the kid, but I am going to take a look at him if I am in need of shoring up my qb room and I know it was a kid that would come to my school if I offered him...

 

[Headcard]

Dude are u that dense? Lol

Are u really trying to argue that someones track record means nothing? Really?

So I guess we all should have thought a loser coach like Mike Riley would just be an eyelash away from winning a natty when we hired him at NU? Lol cause we should have ignored his track record?
How did that work out? He was a loser wasnt he?

Or hiringg Urban meyer and his past w and track record means nothing and maybe he will just be a loser coach? Lololol we should ignore his past success cause he is not really that good of a coach..lolol cause like u said..we should ignkre his past success.. right?

We should have given JB a look just based on the fact that our qb room was shaky at best, the fact that Urbo offered him, is going to at least make me take a hard look at him in addition to having a shaky at best qb room. Yes based on Urbans past success at selecting qbs..yes it would.

It may not make me offer the kid, but I am going to take a look at him if I am in need of shoring up my qb room and I know it was a kid that would come to my school if I offered him...

Seriously? Are you special? No one said any of that nonsense. It’s like you are actually illiterate. You are claiming the only way to judge a QB is if one particular coach offered or not. No one has said UM isn’t a great coach, but the idea that an OSU offer is all that matters is crazy, like actually crazy. FWIW, I wanted Burrow out of HS and as a grad transfer. But it wasn’t simply because UM offered, because that is a stupid and short sighted way to judge a QB.

 

[Anon1725817592]

Seriously? Are you special? No one said any of that nonsense. It’s like you are actually illiterate. You are claiming the only way to judge a QB is if one particular coach offered or not. No one has said UM isn’t a great coach, but the idea that an OSU offer is all that matters is crazy, like actually crazy. FWIW, I wanted Burrow out of HS and as a grad transfer. But it wasn’t simply because UM offered, because that is a stupid and short sighted way to judge a QB.

I never said any such thing that u are claiming.
I simply stated that we had a shaky qb room and we should have given JB a look. And the fact that UM thought enough to offer him a schollie was even more of a reason to give him a look (on top of having a shaky qb room at the time).and based in the fact that Urbo has a great eye for qb talent is this not an accurate statement by me?

Seems pretty accurate and on point.

My point this whole time has been AM and JB was never a "one or the other" proposition, it should have always been "both" based on our qb room at the time JB was available...

 

[leodisflowers]

I never said any such thing that u are claiming.
I simply stated that we had a shaky qb room and we should have given JB a look. And the fact that UM thought enough to offer him a schollie was even more of a reason to give him a look (on top of having a shaky qb room at the time).and based in the fact that Urbo has a great eye for qb talent is this not an accurate statement by me?

Seems pretty accurate and on point.

My point this whole time has been AM and JB was never a "one or the other" proposition, it should have always been "both" based on our qb room at the time JB was available...

All of this is hindsight. I agree with you that we did have a shaky QB room so maybe it was worth a look, but at the time I think Scott thought he had his big fish. Until his time at LSU Burrow had done nothing at OSU. Again, what if he comes to NU and plays behind a bad line or can't beat Martinez out?

Burrow went to LSU, had success. Good for him. You win some you lose some and we lost this one.

 

[Anon1725817592]

All of this is hindsight. I agree with you that we did have a shaky QB room so maybe it was worth a look, but at the time I think Scott thought he had his big fish. Until his time at LSU Burrow had done nothing at OSU. Again, what if he comes to NU and plays behind a bad line or can't beat Martinez out?

Burrow went to LSU, had success. Good for him. You win some you lose some and we lost this one.

Hey I dont have a problem w that, my problem is that folks on here want to place 100% of the blame for not getting JB on Bo and want to give SF a pass for not taking him the dame breath. My whole point is that both Bo and SF deserve blame for passing on him, thats all.

 

[leodisflowers]

Hey I dont have a problem w that, my problem is that folks on here want to place 100% of the blame for not getting JB on Bo and want to give SF a pass for not taking him the dame breath. My whole point is that both Bo and SF deserve blame for passing on him, thats all.

I agree. It isn't all on Bo by any means. I would say that is where the biggest issue was.

 

[grayhairedfreak]

All of this is hindsight. I agree with you that we did have a shaky QB room so maybe it was worth a look, but at the time I think Scott thought he had his big fish. Until his time at LSU Burrow had done nothing at OSU. Again, what if he comes to NU and plays behind a bad line or can't beat Martinez out?

Burrow went to LSU, had success. Good for him. You win some you lose some and we lost this one.

This is a good take, and this whole debate continues to confuse me.

Before our first game this season, I'm guessing at least 95% of Husker fans expected AM to have a better season than JB and based on last season that was justified. Frost didn't expect Gebbia to transfer. JB would have been playing with NU's O-line and wideouts. Let's be happy for the dude and move on to the next debate.

 

[Capiche]

Below is a write-up of Joe from an OSU insider who observed preseason practice in the Fall of 2015. I don't understand his comment about Joe being a 'classic QB' but obviously he showed a high football IQ early on.


Joe Burrow--classic QB in an era of dual threat guys. Tested off the chart in football IQ during early camp, and has just gone on to blow away the staff with his knowledge of the playbook and the OSU offense. Also, seems to understand the OSU defense as well, which is something you dont see out of freshman very often. Has been uneven during fall camp, as the closing speed of the defensive backs is just so much faster than he saw in high school--but this is to be expected.

 

[jolley]

Not really. My whole point on putting some blame on SF for not going after Burrow, is that the Frost Coalition is placing 100% of the blame game onto Pelini and trying to make it out that Frost should get ZERO blame for passing on Burrow. I am simply pointing out that Both Pelini and Frost the 2nd time around are both to blame for not scooping up Burrow when they had the chance.

I am not even really upset that we passed on Burrow, it is more of the fact that I am simply tired of all of the Frost Boot lickers that try and cast blame on everyone BUT Frost even when Frost screws up. I am just simply pointing out that Both Pelini AND Frost screwed up when it comes to the Burrow situation and it does not just 100% fall onto Pelini. (a coach that I did not like).

I really like Joe Burrow and feell bad NU didn't get him, but JB wouldn't have done anything close to what he did at lsu. NU just didn't have anything close to the NUMBER of good to great receivers lsu has. JD is a great one but Wandale was forced to play running back so much. JMO

 

[SoFL Husker]

It took Joe Burrows 5 years to become the player that he became. Adrian Martinez and most of the Nebraska players are just in year 1 or 2. Frost is building a program and a solid foundation. Becoming great does not happen in 2 years just ask Joe Burrow about that.

Interesting post.

Joe Burrow was squat **** before his Jr. year. Agree.

 

[Anon1725817592]

This is a good take, and this whole debate continues to confuse me.

Before our first game this season, I'm guessing at least 95% of Husker fans expected AM to have a better season than JB and based on last season that was justified. Frost didn't expect Gebbia to transfer. JB would have been playing with NU's O-line and wideouts. Let's be happy for the dude and move on to the next debate.

Why would NU fans expect AM to have a better season than JB did? JB had a better season the previous year than AM did and that was while playing in the clunky land before time LSU POS offense. Besides completion % JB stats were better than AM's were from TD to INT ratio, to yards per attempt to QB rating etc. Literally every stat JB put up in a clunky crappy LSU offense were better than AM's.
The NU fans that knew that the NO coach was coming over to revamp the offense would also have NEVER thought that AM would have had a better year than JB would have. I mean if JB can put up better stats in the former clunky POS LSU O than AM did in the first place, then they would also probably know his stats would be even better when you are running something closer to what New Orleans runs...

 

[Anon1725817592]

I really like Joe Burrow and feell bad NU didn't get him, but JB wouldn't have done anything close to what he did at lsu. NU just didn't have anything close to the NUMBER of good to great receivers lsu has. JD is a great one but Wandale was forced to play running back so much. JMO

Well you are getting further off of the point of the posts. Whether or not JB would have put up as good of numbers that he did at LSU or not is not really the point. JB at QB over AM probably gets us 6 more wins total over the 2 years that AM is QB. Three each season. I for one am glad that JB went to LSU and is getting his accolades. But the bottom line is that had SF gone after JB, we would have been a better team and won more games the past two years with him at QB than we would have with AM..We would have made bowl games each of the last two years. You are probably looking at 7-5 and 8-4 seasons the last two years if JB is our QB over AM. I mean 3 more wins per year in college football is a pretty big increase. And who knows it could have even been more.

Put it this way: Right now we have a QB going into his 3rd year who is very injury prone, and who regressed his 2nd year in the system instead of getting better. We have literally no idea what AM will look like next year when he finally plays a game. Will he actually be able to half azz read defenses by next year? Will or can he be more accurate on swing passes that he has not been accurate on 2 years running? Mccaffrey will have to improve by leaps and bounds throwing the ball wont he before he is a viable competitor for AM's job right? And I doubt Smothers comes in and is good enough as a true frosh to really push AM for the starting job. I mean he is a true frosh.

We still have a lot of unknowns going into AM's year three and based on his past 3 years of injury history (knock on wood) he will miss at least one game next year due to injury and how many more games will he play in where he is injured enough to where it affects his play?

 

[SoFL Husker]

Thread of the year Jedi.

This is what we are all about, and I am being re-convinced at every post, and new recruit.

Takes time. Develop. Fill the pipeline.

 

[jolley]

Well you are getting further off of the point of the posts. Whether or not JB would have put up as good of numbers that he did at LSU or not is not really the point. JB at QB over AM probably gets us 6 more wins total over the 2 years that AM is QB. Three each season. I for one am glad that JB went to LSU and is getting his accolades. But the bottom line is that had SF gone after JB, we would have been a better team and won more games the past two years with him at QB than we would have with AM..We would have made bowl games each of the last two years. You are probably looking at 7-5 and 8-4 seasons the last two years if JB is our QB over AM. I mean 3 more wins per year in college football is a pretty big increase. And who knows it could have even been more.

Put it this way: Right now we have a QB going into his 3rd year who is very injury prone, and who regressed his 2nd year in the system instead of getting better. We have literally no idea what AM will look like next year when he finally plays a game. Will he actually be able to half azz read defenses by next year? Will or can he be more accurate on swing passes that he has not been accurate on 2 years running? Mccaffrey will have to improve by leaps and bounds throwing the ball wont he before he is a viable competitor for AM's job right? And I doubt Smothers comes in and is good enough as a true frosh to really push AM for the starting job. I mean he is a true frosh.

We still have a lot of unknowns going into AM's year three and based on his past 3 years of injury history (knock on wood) he will miss at least one game next year due to injury and how many more games will he play in where he is injured enough to where it affects his play?

good points. if NU would have had bigger leads at the end of the 4th quarters that NU lost with late drives by the opponents, they could have, obviously, won more games