The Harper failed close out

richthedentist

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That last play is hardly what to be upset with. Pretty well played by us and the guy hit a prayer; not much more you can do. The "dry spell" was our undoing and if we just make one or two layups or foul shots during that stretch, we win by 6.
Exactly Dylan missed two foul shots in the second half and at the end of the first half he missed the front end of a one and one thats 4 points right there
 

Colonel HR

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When 2 points wins the game we were protecting the paint, May even said that Burnett was the last option. Credit to Wolf for not forcing it to Goldin or forcing up a bad shot himself. TBH, I expected to lose the game on a much higher percentage shot than that...
 
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RAC93

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He did not have to help on Wolf, Wolf was double teamed he was just standing in no mans land and if he was on his man Wolf would have never been able to get the ball to him
Agreed. The Peacock post game studio stated the following concerning Dylan’s defense and positioning that it was “too casual, nonchalant and ball watching”. I would love to have seen what would have happened if Dylan prevented any pass at all to Burnett, forcing Wolf to create something or just chuck up a long three. Wolf had very little time, likely he just chucks up a highly contested, long jumper and our defense was also on him. Of course he passed the ball as no one was in the same zip code as Burnett. Ace was all over Wolf. Burnett hit a long shot, but for a good shooter it was not impossible or a miracle especially being unguarded, it was low percentage for sure, but every three point shot is lower percentage than a shot in the paint. Burnett probably makes that shot around 25% of the time. It was like a warmups shot, let him shoot that in pregame warmups and he makes 2 or 3 out of 10 or he’s feeling it that day and he hits 4 out of 10. We had no one near him so it was like warmups and unguarded and not a miracle like a half court shot.

It’s ok to say the refs screwed us on some calls, it’s ok to say we benefited on some calls, and it’s ok to say Dylan was out of position on the last play. If Michigan ran that play 10 times, would we always leave Burnett unguarded on all 10? Maybe we would, maybe we would not…… so that begs the question, was Dylan in the right place defensively? Maybe we would roll the dice or play with fire 10 out of 10 times and say that’s a hard shot to make and he’s way out, let him shoot it. But when you gamble with the dice or play with fire sometimes you get burned and guys make the shot.
 
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RU848789

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He did not have to help on Wolf, Wolf was double teamed he was just standing in no mans land and if he was on his man Wolf would have never been able to get the ball to him
I posted last night that he was a bit late on the closeout with the double team on Wolf, as he wasn't close enough to Wolf to make a difference there anyway, so he might as well have been on Burnett or at least closer, although I don't think he could've prevented the pass...but he could've made it a lot harder shot. Having said that, they guy hit a shot from 5 feet beyond the arc, which is a low percentage shot, so Harper's slowness to close will barely be remembered, IMO. We had a dozen other opportunities to have this game be out of reach at the end.

I'm still much more annoyed with the refs for the two terrible cylinder calls and especially failing to call the travel with ~6 seconds left - we win that game 99% of the time if they call that.
 

bethlehemfan

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I posted last night that he was a bit late on the closeout with the double team on Wolf, as he wasn't close enough to Wolf to make a difference there anyway, so he might as well have been on Burnett or at least closer, although I don't think he could've prevented the pass...but he could've made it a lot harder shot. Having said that, they guy hit a shot from 5 feet beyond the arc, which is a low percentage shot, so Harper's slowness to close will barely be remembered, IMO. We had a dozen other opportunities to have this game be out of reach at the end.

I'm still much more annoyed with the refs for the two terrible cylinder calls and especially failing to call the travel with ~6 seconds left - we win that game 99% of the time if they call that.
Agree with this assessment.
 
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RutgersChow

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It will go down as a tough loss. Drama, drama. Ok, it was a failed close-out but the help comments above are valid. The half-step he took toward Wolf made him late. And they lost on a deep 3 because the immortal Dusty May didn’t get the shot inside he wanted from either of his 7-footers. Rutgers paint protection was excellent.
Helping should be a last resort. Have some pride. Keep your man in front of you.
 
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goru7

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Move on. Our two main players won't even remember it in another month. Stop the dramatics. It's a sad look
You truly know crap about basketball and basketball players. They are competitors and almost all players remember the losses more than the wins especially the heartbreaking ones. It motivates them to work harder and to seek payback. You wouldn’t think that because your simple mind that it is all Pike’s fault doesn’t allow room for an expanded thought. Give it up with your Pike hate it clouds any sense of reason coming out of your mouth.
 

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He had to help on Wolf. He was playing help defense on a better player and they made a deep shot. Was not a failed close out
💯 Pike had them in a zone on the catch so the bigs would not get anything going to the rim. Dylan was help and recover and played it perfectly.

If you want to get mad then Pikes your guy. Watch the whole sequence. They come out of the time out and we get set up defensively and then we call time out.

Pike saw the set so, switch the D or go back with the set you had because Mich obviously saw it. Pike goes back with same Def set.

May has a catch and shoot option, with a drive and kick . They had shooters both sides as outlets on the double team.

Pike gave them what they wanted and they hit a low percentage shot. Dylan played it right.
 
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seansherm

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💯 Pike had them in a zone on the catch so the bigs would not get anything going to the rim. Dylan was help and recover and played it perfectly.

If you want to get mad then Pikes your guy. Watch the whole sequence. They come out of the time out and we get set up defensively and then we call time out.

Pike saw the set so, switch the D or go back with the set you had because Mich obviously saw it. Pike goes back with same Def set.

May has a catch and shoot option, with a drive and kick . They had shooters both sides as outlets on the double team.

Pike gave them what they wanted and they hit a low percentage shot. Dylan played it right.
I thought Dylan played it pretty well too. I thought he had a slight moment where he relaxed, but not sure it made a difference. He closed out a little better than I initially thought.
 
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Ridge 22

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You truly know crap about basketball and basketball players. They are competitors and almost all players remember the losses more than the wins especially the heartbreaking ones. It motivates them to work harder and to seek payback. You wouldn’t think that because your simple mind that it is all Pike’s fault doesn’t allow room for an expanded thought. Give it up with your Pike hate it clouds any sense of reason coming out of your mouth.
Every post you make is the same thing. Spewing insults and anger.