The Hall

[cm_13]

Exactly the point. We’ll never know for sure but to say ru was 20 points better based off of a previous season’s result against a delpeted shu team is silly IMO.

And this narrative that Willard “ducked” ru as if they were some unbeatable juggernaut like Baylor or Gonzaga, when clearly the reason was not wanting to lose the revenue of a sold out home game is equally as silly.

I have a feeling the rivalry will be renewed in 2021 and will be fun; wherever it is played

I hope both schools can make it happen. Regardless of anything else it’s usually a great game with a great atmosphere.

Until then, I guess that janky *** trophy just stays in Piscataway.

 

[mikewalsh]

So, it's settled then....we'll see you guys at the RAC this coming season, right......???

The Rock baby!!!

 

[mikewalsh]

random thoughts

Seton Hall still has a bit of a name, based on aged success..

the big east, while slipping in stature, still has Nova as its
flagship program..... enough to keep the big east somewhat
relevant..... league rep slips more each year, as evidenced by the dwindling number of NCAA invites

the Hall, much like St Johns with MSG, can bring a recruit into the Newark arena and say, this is where we play..... when you compare the actual facilities, it could leave a more favorable impression...... Much like a Penn state bringing in a recruit to see their 100,000 plus place, etc, versus our stadium

the recruits then could not see the difference in basketball atmosphere between the programs, since games were played without the crowds....RU has a rep as one of the toughest, loudest places to play, which helped convince Cliff to join our ranks

but, we were not able to demonstrate that this past year.

to put is another way, Cliff would have been a bit tougher sell without him going to our games in his senior year

Amazing how you look at things through jaded lenses.

"aged success"? SHU is 123-69 over last 6 seasons, with 4 NCAA invites (5 NCAA's if last season wasn't canceled).

"big east slipping in stature" - this season was the only down season. Despite only 4 NCAA invites Big East has 2 in Sweet 16. Big Ten with 9 NCAA invites, just 1 in the Sweet 16. LOL!!!

RU has much better on campus facilities, SHU is upgrading facilities in the next two years.

Big East 2 NCAA championships in last 5 years. BE has 5 NCAA champs in last 10 years. Big Ten ZERO championships in TWENTY years. LOL!!!

The Big Ten is a football conference plain and simple, with nothing to show for in basketball in 20 years.

 

[Njdevils1213]

random thoughts

Seton Hall still has a bit of a name, based on aged success..

the big east, while slipping in stature, still has Nova as its
flagship program..... enough to keep the big east somewhat
relevant..... league rep slips more each year, as evidenced by the dwindling number of NCAA invites

the Hall, much like St Johns with MSG, can bring a recruit into the Newark arena and say, this is where we play..... when you compare the actual facilities, it could leave a more favorable impression...... Much like a Penn state bringing in a recruit to see their 100,000 plus place, etc, versus our stadium

the recruits then could not see the difference in basketball atmosphere between the programs, since games were played without the crowds....RU has a rep as one of the toughest, loudest places to play, which helped convince Cliff to join our ranks

but, we were not able to demonstrate that this past year.

to put is another way, Cliff would have been a bit tougher sell without him going to our games in his senior year

There were 2 B1G teams AND Big East teams in this year's sweet 16. Mid majors beat the B1G in the tournament this year. B1G teams are obnoxiously overrated and get rewarded year after year for tournament invites after beating upon one another all season. Your fan base acts like Rutgers had this elite season but again was pretty mediocre. The sense of B1G superiority is laughable; your team has been the punching bag in that league for years.

 

[mikewalsh]

There were 2 B1G teams AND Big East teams in this year's sweet 16. Mid majors beat the B1G in the tournament this year. B1G teams are obnoxiously overrated and get rewarded year after year for tournament invites after beating upon one another all season. Your fan base acts like Rutgers had this elite season but again was pretty mediocre. The sense of B1G superiority is laughable; your team has been the punching bag in that league for years.

Correction - There were 2 Big East teams in Sweet 16, only one B1G

 

[NewJerseyHawk]

The Rock baby!!!

Let's tee it up and play ball.

 

[scarletrat]

the past several years, other than Nova, the BE has been embarassing--always overseeded...just look at shoe, getting blown out by such giants like Wofford. 1-4 in tourney just shows shoe didn't belong....and most of those losses were to lower seeded teams...and let's be real here, Creighton should have lost to UCSB, and played a 12 and 13 seed...Nova the same...B1G didn't represent well in tourney this year, but can't say the same in recent years...

 

[HallX2]

The transitive property strikes again. As to RU-SHU this season, you may have been right, you may have been wrong. This I can guarantee.

Agree. See you next season.

 

[Potbelly407]

What's SHU selling? On paper, they certainly appear to be winning the recruiting race. I understand that Pike is more methodical in his approach and primarily recruits system players, but I would think going forward - considering conference affiliation, the APC, and our recent success, including the 2019 beat down - that we should be winning the majority of recruiting battles with our in-state rival.

I’ve been reading these boards for years. I
Love all the ‘fans’ that come out of the woodwork after ONE trip to the NCAA after thirty years. Lol. I guess the bandwagon is in full effect, good for you guys. It’s cute

 

[King of S]

Both programs winning can only help keep local talent home. Love to see both schools do well.

 

[shields]

Nova beat a 12 and a 13 . Wow. Easy bracket.

 

[TDIrish27]

Both programs winning can only help keep local talent home. Love to see both schools do well.

agreed

 

[sportsfantatic44]

Before Powell’s concussion RU was up 9. After ended up winning by 20. So that tells me that with Powell, RU is 10 points better than SHU, and without Powell, still 10 points better. Willard and the Pirates completely hiding from Rutgers last season is one of the most pathetic things I’ve ever seen in sports. Imagine Auburn not wanting to play Alabama one year because Auburn was bad. Just pathetic but not surprising from that coach or that program

You’re the same guy who bitched, moaned, and cried that you wanted Pikiell fired after losing at Penn State this season and compared Pikiell to Chris Ash. Probably the most pathetic post over the last year in this forum.

 

[mikewalsh]

the past several years, other than Nova, the BE has been embarassing--always overseeded...just look at shoe, getting blown out by such giants like Wofford. 1-4 in tourney just shows shoe didn't belong....and most of those losses were to lower seeded teams...and let's be real here, Creighton should have lost to UCSB, and played a 12 and 13 seed...Nova the same...B1G didn't represent well in tourney this year, but can't say the same in recent years...

B1G was 1 Sweet 16 team with 9 bids, Big East was 1 Sweet 16 teams with 4 bids. What am I missing here?

 

[hbr1103]

Amazing how you look at things through jaded lenses.

"aged success"? SHU is 123-69 over last 6 seasons, with 4 NCAA invites (5 NCAA's if last season wasn't canceled).

"big east slipping in stature" - this season was the only down season. Despite only 4 NCAA invites Big East has 2 in Sweet 16. Big Ten with 9 NCAA invites, just 1 in the Sweet 16. LOL!!!



RU has much better on campus facilities, SHU is upgrading facilities in the next two years.

Big East 2 NCAA championships in last 5 years. BE has 5 NCAA champs in last 10 years. Big Ten ZERO championships in TWENTY years. LOL!!!

The Big Ten is a football conference plain and simple, with nothing to show for in basketball in 20 years.

That’s why all the best teams left
You are the Big Least with 1 good team

 

[hbr1103]

There were 2 B1G teams AND Big East teams in this year's sweet 16. Mid majors beat the B1G in the tournament this year. B1G teams are obnoxiously overrated and get rewarded year after year for tournament invites after beating upon one another all season. Your fan base acts like Rutgers had this elite season but again was pretty mediocre. The sense of B1G superiority is laughable; your team has been the punching bag in that league for years.

Keep using the past
We have passed you and aren’t looking back

 

[mikewalsh]

Before Powell’s concussion RU was up 9. After ended up winning by 20. So that tells me that with Powell, RU is 10 points better than SHU, and without Powell, still 10 points better. Willard and the Pirates completely hiding from Rutgers last season is one of the most pathetic things I’ve ever seen in sports. Imagine Auburn not wanting to play Alabama one year because Auburn was bad. Just pathetic but not surprising from that coach or that program

Convenient to forget that Mamu played ZERO minutes in the RU vs. SHU game. Powell and Mamu represented 33 points per game for the Hall. Using your logic, the Hall would have won by 13 with a healthy team.

It was a blowout win for RU, but stop pounding your chest. The game would have been a competitive and exciting game had the Hall been full strength. Shows how bad it's been for RU fans to claim supremacy because of that game. LOL!!!

SHU 123-69 in the past 6 season.
RU 87-102 in the past 6 seasons
Big East 2 NCAA championships in past 6 seasons
B1G 0 NCAA championships in past 20 seasons

Winning the battle doesn't equate to winning the war. Just look at the recruiting differences. Hall has 3 Top 150 freshmen coming in and a top 100 transfer.

 

[RUenvsci]

Convenient to forget that Mamu played ZERO minutes in the RU vs. SHU game. Powell and Mamu represented 33 points per game for the Hall. Using your logic, the Hall would have won by 13 with a healthy team.

It was a blowout win for RU, but stop pounding your chest. The game would have been a competitive and exciting game had the Hall been full strength. Shows how bad it's been for RU fans to claim supremacy because of that game. LOL!!!

SHU 123-69 in the past 6 season.
RU 87-102 in the past 6 seasons
Big East 2 NCAA championships in past 6 seasons
B1G 0 NCAA championships in past 20 seasons

Winning the battle doesn't equate to winning the war. Just look at the recruiting differences. Hall has 3 Top 150 freshmen coming in and a top 100 transfer.

This is hilarious. Both fanbases tend to live in a false sense of reality. Why are folks taking this so seriously? Rutgers is not a college basketball juggernaut and neither is SHU. True Rutgers fans know SHU was depleted in the blowout, RU fans know we were a middle of the pack B10 team this year, and SHU was not particularly impressive this year. Holding onto the past is exactly what it is- the past. The only strange thing to me was that SHU didn’t want to play RU this year. If SHU was so set on lost revenue, it makes folks wonder what the state of affairs is there. It’s a great rivalry and one that is needed in this state- but the scheduling snafu on SHU’s end is a head scratcher. IMO it was handled poorly.

 

[hbr1103]

Convenient to forget that Mamu played ZERO minutes in the RU vs. SHU game. Powell and Mamu represented 33 points per game for the Hall. Using your logic, the Hall would have won by 13 with a healthy team.

It was a blowout win for RU, but stop pounding your chest. The game would have been a competitive and exciting game had the Hall been full strength. Shows how bad it's been for RU fans to claim supremacy because of that game. LOL!!!

SHU 123-69 in the past 6 season.
RU 87-102 in the past 6 seasons
Big East 2 NCAA championships in past 6 seasons
B1G 0 NCAA championships in past 20 seasons

Winning the battle doesn't equate to winning the war. Just look at the recruiting differences. Hall has 3 Top 150 freshmen coming in and a top 100 transfer.

Your recruits are so good in offseason like
Bryce Aiken . Reality is we are in better league , have state of the art practice facility and a coaching staff great at development .
Your star recruit Richmond made no difference when Cuse played RU

 

[anon_0k9zlfz6lz9oy]

Amazing how you look at things through jaded lenses.

"aged success"? SHU is 123-69 over last 6 seasons, with 4 NCAA invites (5 NCAA's if last season wasn't canceled).

"big east slipping in stature" - this season was the only down season. Despite only 4 NCAA invites Big East has 2 in Sweet 16. Big Ten with 9 NCAA invites, just 1 in the Sweet 16. LOL!!!

RU has much better on campus facilities, SHU is upgrading facilities in the next two years.

Big East 2 NCAA championships in last 5 years. BE has 5 NCAA champs in last 10 years. Big Ten ZERO championships in TWENTY years. LOL!!!

The Big Ten is a football conference plain and simple, with nothing to show for in basketball in 20 years.

Haha outside of nova the conference has been horrendous. Take a look over the past decade at how many teams have even made it out of the first weekend

 

[TDIrish27]

Xavier made Final 8 3 years ago I believe.

No question Nova dominant team in the league but given this years Big Ten performance better to just say very little until next season.

 

[zazoo2002]

Cross-posted - Shame the team didn't make a deeper run in the tournament. The increased exposure would likely have helped Pike's recruiting, which while controversial, I suspect a fair number of fans would like to see upgraded. He does not strike me as a shark...more of a long-term relationship builder, which is commendable, but I fear may not translate well recruiting the "free agency" portal going forward. We'll see.

NJHawk provided an analysis a while back, illustrating that most B1G teams have a 3 star base. Perhaps I'd feel better if our recent 3 stars were also coveted by other P6 programs. Perhaps Schiano has distorted my expectations. Regardless, I believe Pike will eventually need to move the program beyond the claimed developmental identity. Speaking of recruit rankings, I was looking at Seton Hall's recent haul:

2021 TRANSFERS
Jamir Harris: AMERICAN | CG | 6-2 | 200
RK | NATL: 294 | CG: 15 | NJ: 10
SR | PTS: 20.5 | 2P% .528 | 3P% .438

Kadary Richmond: SYRACUSE | SF | 6-5 | 180
RK | NATL: 88 | SF: 18 | NH: 4
FR | PTS: 6.3 | 2P% .475 | 3P% .333

Alexis Yetna: USF | PF | 6-8 | 235
RK | NATL: 325 | PF: 82 | FR: 6
JR | PTS: 11.4 | TRB 8.9 | 2P% .593 | 3P% .346

2021 RECRUIT
Jaquan Harris: HS | CG | 6-3 | 180
RK | NATL: 140 | CG: 23 | NJ: 7

And, they all shoot free throws well! Different circumstances and not all plug-n-play of course, but definitely the level of talent needed to help maintain critical momentum at RU. They should help continue Seton Hall's trend line though:

- NCAA's 4 of the least 6 years, not including 2019/20, though likely would have been selected.

- Ranked 4 of the last 6 seasons.

With our conference affiliation, established coaching staff, recent success, and facility upgrades, I think Seton Hall's past 6 years are something that the basketball program should aspire to achieve going forward.

 

[Vegas pj]

Keep using the past
We have passed you and aren’t looking back

 

[Shupirate2020]

Your recruits are so good in offseason like
Bryce Aiken . Reality is we are in better league , have state of the art practice facility and a coaching staff great at development .
Your star recruit Richmond made no difference when Cuse played RU

Okay I’ll bite since you’re being that ridiculous.

Seton hall had it’s worst season in years and was still squarely on the bubble, down to the last game.

We’ve already added 3 significant pieces to that team which another poster above laid out in great detail, in addition to what was already a top 25 recruiting class.

Rutgers had a nice season but let’s get real. You were a 10 seed with a favorable draw and have already lost Young and Myles johnson from that team. Even if baker and RHJ return you will still need to add significant talent from the portal just to keep pace. And for all the talk of your state of the art practice facility I’m not sure it’s paying the dividends you think it is as Pikiell still couldn’t even crack the top 100 recruiting classes this year while Willard hauled in 3 top 150 prospects. The reason you aren’t looking back at us is because after 1 season ahead we’ve already passed you again.

And yes, the Big-ten is marginally better than the Big East. But is it the best basketball conference in America? Nope. It’s not even top 2, as the Big-12 and PAC-12 are clearly head and shoulders above it and the ACC is due to rebound next year as well.

 

[bethlehemfan]

Okay I’ll bite since you’re being that ridiculous.

Seton hall had it’s worst season in years and was still squarely on the bubble, down to the last game.

We’ve already added 3 significant pieces to that team which another poster above laid out in great detail, in addition to what was already a top 25 recruiting class.

Rutgers had a nice season but let’s get real. You were a 10 seed with a favorable draw and have already lost Young and Myles johnson from that team. Even if baker and RHJ return you will still need to add significant talent from the portal just to keep pace. And for all the talk of your state of the art practice facility I’m not sure it’s paying the dividends you think it is as Pikiell still couldn’t even crack the top 100 recruiting classes this year while Willard hauled in 3 top 150 prospects. The reason you aren’t looking back at us is because after 1 season ahead we’ve already passed you again.

And yes, the Big-ten is marginally better than the Big East. But is it the best basketball conference in America? Nope. It’s not even top 2, as the Big-12 and PAC-12 are clearly head and shoulders above it and the ACC is due to rebound next year as well.

You’re late for Sunday school skippy

 

[TDIrish27]

Don't your customers complain when their Sunday Papers are late ?

 

[Fzacsattac]

Oh WOW! The Montclair State guy is on here now......lol

 

[HallX2]

You’re late for Sunday school skippy

An anti christian dog whistle. Surprising to get that from this crowd.

 

[JerseyShoreKnight]

 

[Knights 1212]

Shupirate2020 is a bit off here. The Big 10 was rated the # 1 conference in the country still after the NCAA. The Big East was only # 5 or # 6. SHU has lost Sandro which is huge. Your 2 transfers from the portal may be good but you and many SHU fans are acting like they are the second coming of Michael Jordan. The guy from USF was not in the best league in the country and your transfer from Syracuse shot poorly and only scored 6 points with only one field goal against RU. We shall see about your freshmen. This year Long and Stevens gave you very little. RU only has Miller coming in as a PG but Jones entered early in late January. He is not listed now as an incoming recruit any more. He was very highly rated. As for the practice facility SHU guys have been saying for years how much it should help SHU. We shall see as it is still 7 months to November. SHU fans are already talking about making the Sweet 16 or the Elite 8. In 2020 SHU fans are still saying that they would have made the Final Four yet they blew a 3 game lead in league with only 7 games left when they lost 4 of their last 7 including getting pounded by Creighton in the last game with first place on the line. They were in a tailspin. Will SHU avoid RU again this fall? Your school cried about losing a home game although you were contracted for it. You still played Iona and Wagner at home. If you thought you were better than RU you should not have ducked RU.

 

[Shupirate2020]

Shupirate2020 is a bit off here. The Big 10 was rated the # 1 conference in the country still after the NCAA. The Big East was only # 5 or # 6. SHU has lost Sandro which is huge. Your 2 transfers from the portal may be good but you and many SHU fans are acting like they are the second coming of Michael Jordan. The guy from USF was not in the best league in the country and your transfer from Syracuse shot poorly and only scored 6 points with only one field goal against RU. We shall see about your freshmen. This year Long and Stevens gave you very little. RU only has Miller coming in as a PG but Jones entered early in late January. He is not listed now as an incoming recruit any more. He was very highly rated. As for the practice facility SHU guys have been saying for years how much it should help SHU. We shall see as it is still 7 months to November. SHU fans are already talking about making the Sweet 16 or the Elite 8. In 2020 SHU fans are still saying that they would have made the Final Four yet they blew a 3 game lead in league with only 7 games left when they lost 4 of their last 7 including getting pounded by Creighton in the last game with first place on the line. They were in a tailspin. Will SHU avoid RU again this fall? Your school cried about losing a home game although you were contracted for it. You still played Iona and Wagner at home. If you thought you were better than RU you should not have ducked RU.

Not sure which ratings you are referring to. After watching the tournament I think most reasonable people can agree the Big 12 and Pac 12 are the top 2 conferences right now. Big East also had a historically down year and many teams have already begun retooling this offseason, shu included.

Haven’t seen many hall fans talking about sweet 16 elite 8 etc. fans are excited and the point most are making is ru fans saying Rutgers has completely passed shu as a program are wrong. Personally think both programs are about equal with maybe slight edge to shu at the moment. Of course still time for Rutgers to improve before next season.

 

[bethlehemfan]

An anti christian dog whistle. Surprising to get that from this crowd.

Wrong dumb dumb

 

[HallX2]

Wrong dumb dumb

Says the imbecile

 

[bethlehemfan]

Says the imbecile

Wrong again loser

 

[RUenvsci]

This off-season chest pounding needs to stop. It’s ridiculous, especially since we have no idea whether the game will even be played next season. Can’t everyone just stay on their own boards?

 

[Scarlet Shack]

Why are we even talking to these guys ...?

 

[lloyde dobler]

Lots of silliness and fiction from both sides. But no SHU fans are talking Sweet 16 or Elite 8 next year. Don’t know where that came from.

Funny thing in these threads is that while guys on each side go hard after each other, you know many of them are fanatics for the same pro teams in the area.