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Good to see Cliff make some strides over the last few games. He’s definitely playing better and we can now reasonably hope he makes a big jump for next year.
But to say that the other three freshmen are resounding dissapointments would be an understatement. We heard great things about Palmquist last year that haven’t translated to the court. Other than Bullock, all the frosh that have been recruited by Pike have made meaningful contributions their first year. Even Mamadou.
Cue the “nervous Lou” and “they’re only freshmen” bunch, but I speak the truth.
 

RUSCFORMERLYRULOU

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I think it's reasonable to be concerned. However,

1. This is a strange year with very little OOC play
2. Freshman were playing more minutes on some of those older teams because they had less quality competition ahead of them.
True on both points. But the freshmen who were playing more minutes showed SOMETHING. Other then Rieber for five minutes in the Iowa game, I can’t recall any memorable moment for any freshmen other than Cliff.
 
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RU82

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There’s only so many minutes to go around. I think we can expect a few transfers.
 

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Palmquist was touted as a sharp 3-point shooter. So why hasn't he been playing? Especially when the team has been producing horrible stats from the 3-point range.
 

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I agree with nervous lou. While the freshman might be “fine” are they good enough to be good to very good big ten players. This is a tough league with some of the best players in the country. Talent wise I’m skeptical of this group but we will know more next year.
 
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Cliff absolutely killed us in the second half. He played a pretty long stretch, and finished his minutes well with the block shot and strong finish, but prior to that, he was brutal. Myles wasn't in foul trouble, so I'm down on Pike for keeping Cliff in so long.
 

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In the past we always NEEDED freshmen to contribute due to the fact that many of our more talented players wouldn't stick around or weren't really that good. I think we have more upperclassmen with experience that are also solid players than in the past so that has to be a factor. Cliff has really been abused in the post and his long injury layoff has to have impacted his contributions but I was definitely expecting more. This year, we would've been a much better team and Myles's foul issues wouldn't have been as critical if we could've swapped Cliff for Shaq Carter.
 

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We have about 8 guys that can start right now. Only 1 is a freshman. This is what it looks like at a program that has depth. They will learn and grow and play more as the years go on.

This isn't 2011 when we have to play 4 freshman and then 1 transfers out the next year and then 2 more the following year and we're just spinning our wheels forever.
 

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True on both points. But the freshmen who were playing more minutes showed SOMETHING. Other then Rieber for five minutes in the Iowa game, I can’t recall any memorable moment for any freshmen other than Cliff.

Yes, but you can't show anything if you don't play. Don't get me wrong, it's concerning that they don't play basically at all but it doesn't necessarily mean they're completely hopeless or that they wouldn't be playing more on the 2018 team.
 
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I don’t think this current class is remotely close to presenting the type of recruits needed to compete in the B1G. Let’s home for a solid transfer, preferably a shooter or a bruiser.
and yet...
with a few exceptions ..WE ARE competing in the big
 
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Cliff absolutely killed us in the second half. He played a pretty long stretch, and finished his minutes well with the block shot and strong finish, but prior to that, he was brutal. Myles wasn't in foul trouble, so I'm down on Pike for keeping Cliff in so long.
Me too with only 1 foul Myles should have been out there for more than 24 minutes
 

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No coincidence we lost some games before the lineup change when reiber mag palmquist combined for a total of 8-16 minutes or whatever it was.
 

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Had this been a normal year, and not this free year eligibility-wise, I would guess that Mag and/or Reiber would have redshirted (Palmquist already used his redshirt last spring semester).
 

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I believe if this was a regular year the freshmen ( other then cliff ) would have redshirted and we wouldn’t have seen anything from them So now they all still have 4 years left they had. Full year to practice and get used to the grind of playing D1 basketball I think they (including Jones in the mix) will become contributors on winning RU teams
 
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I think Mag would have been a contributor this year were it not for him getting that ankle injury, which kept him out for several games.

For years, Syracuse's freshmen bide their time and sit on the bench for the first year or two, and then they would emerge as stars. This is not an unusual thing.
 
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I think Mag would have been a contributor this year were it not for him getting that ankle injury, which kept him out for several games.

For years, Syracuse's freshmen bide their time and sit on the bench for the first year or two, and then they would emerge as stars. This is not an unusual thing.

Syracuse's freshmen were a lot more sought after than our current freshamn class, wouldn't you say?
 
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NewJerseyHawk

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There really is nothing specifically wrong with this frosh class, unless you are asking them to compete with the upperclassmen and more experienced teams that are ranked.

I think what the fans are going to see is a dropff on the B1G being the best conference 3 straight years because it's been an upgrade on talent and coaching and recruiting.....and most of the NCAA teams are stacked with impact upperclassmen.

Iowa has Garza and Bohannon as seniors or 5th year kids....Weiskamp is a top 60 kid and a junior.

Illinois has a Top 50 duo as a junior and sophomore, mixed with a couple of senior starters. Highly coveted Coleman Hawkins at Illinois, a player RU wanted, barely cracks the lineup there.


Michigan, Ohio State are the programs that have more overall talent in football and also in hoops, where the classes have more front-line talent each class that takes less time to develop but also avoided falling back in the standings by landing 2 grad transfers in Smith and Brown, who are 2 kids in their Top 7 or 8 player rotation. Michigan had a Top 60 kid that would have started at center, Colin Castleton, transfer to Florida and he's now part of their rotation.....Michigan replaced 1 top 60 kid with a 20 year old frosh, Hunter Dickinson, who was a Top 50 kid.

As far as the RU frosh or any program is how do you allow the frosh to play, make mistakes, get experience without those players winding up costing you games that would push you from a NCAA team to a NIT team??

As much as people have been critical or maybe expecting more from a Top 50-60 kid like Cliff, he's now playing on a Top 25-30 team, where every play is magnified....when Myles Johnson played his 1st 2 seasons, every mistake wasn't important because there wasn't a NCAA bid at stake. We allowed Caleb, Mathis, Myles, Baker and Harper to all grow up without any fear of it costing anything when they went 7-13 in the B1G 2 years ago....if RU went 7-13 in conference, some fans would be calling for Pikes head....

No one is saying this 2020 class is the talent level of 2018s, but there's nothing replacing game experience, even if the player is a transfer in coming from a smaller league.

I don't know what the answers will be for the Mag, Palmquist, Reiber, Cliff and Jaden Jones class that is are all technically 2020 recruits, but most teams probably play their top 8 or maybe 9 players. I think it's safe to assume Cliff and Jones are 2 of those 8 players that will play.

If you land 2 recruits in each class that make up the top 8 or 9, consider it a win.....if you don't, then you hit the transfer portal and fill in the gaps.

Keep in mind, in 1 entire class, RU landed Mathis, Harper, Caleb and Jacob Young as a transfer from Texas and the prior class was Myles Johnson (redshirt), Doucoure and Geo Baker. 2 classes (plus one of Mulcahy and now 1 piece in Cliff) make up the 8 players we play.
 

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Just watching more videos on Jones and seeing him when he came into the game for VERY limited time, I think he is going to be really good for us. I just have a feeling as I see Penny Hardaway in him for his length and athletic ability.

I know that is hyping someone up before they even show what they have but I just have a good feeling
 

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Just watching more videos on Jones and seeing him when he came into the game for VERY limited time, I think he is going to be really good for us. I just have a feeling as I see Penny Hardaway in him for his length and athletic ability.

I know that is hyping someone up before they even show what they have but I just have a good feeling

Wow that is some hype! The videos must be something else because I don't see how you got anything from that cameo appearance against Iowa.
 

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Cliff absolutely killed us in the second half. He played a pretty long stretch, and finished his minutes well with the block shot and strong finish, but prior to that, he was brutal. Myles wasn't in foul trouble, so I'm down on Pike for keeping Cliff in so long.
I happen to agree. Cliff looked lost at times on defense and out of position. Frankly at times he's looked better than expected with several offensive moves and his foul shot is better than Myles. On the other hand the other freshmen have shown nothing, Palmquist especially. For someone who was advertised as having a decent outside shot he can't even hit free throws.
 
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It is a combination of things

A) no easy out of conference games

B) our in conference games are just too close to have freshmen play meaningful minutes - even Cliff is by far our worst of the 8 starter's right now.

c) time will tell how good or bad this class is. The good news is they are practicing daily against a Top 25 squad so hopefully Iron sharpens Iron. I too was hoping Palmquist could be a significant role player this year.

d). Pike places an emphasis on D. Freshmen usually don't have the strength to play in the BIG unless they are a lights out shooter and even then, Pike will still play a Mathis over a sharp shooter who can't play D

Time will tell but I also expect a transfer or 2 OUT and a transfer or 2 IN and hopefully a NCAA run helps Pikes recruiting
 
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Barely any summer camp, and 3 OOC games, and we’re trying to make the NCAAs and move up the big ten the toughest conf in the nation. Point to me of the 6 teams ahead of us how many freshmen are playing minutes. Barely any garbage time since every game is a barn burner in this league. Thanks
 

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It is a combination of things

A) no easy out of conference games

B) our in conference games are just too close to have freshmen play meaningful minutes - even Cliff is by far our worst of the 8 starter's right now.

c) time will tell how good or bad this class is. The good news is they are practicing daily against a Top 25 squad so hopefully Iron sharpens Iron. I too was hoping Palmquist could be a significant role player this year.

d). Pike places an emphasis on D. Freshmen usually don't have the strength to play in the BIG unless they are a lights out shooter and even then, Pike will still play a Mathis over a sharp shooter who can't play D

Time will tell but I also expect a transfer or 2 OUT and a transfer or 2 IN and hopefully a NCAA run helps Pikes recruiting
When you say “expect,” is that code for “guess” or “know?”
 

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Only Pike and I know :)
So guess. :)
I don’t see anyone who could transfer without sitting a year. Just Myles. But if they wanted to sit a year, only ones that make sense are Montez and Mamadou - or Rieber or Palmquiat If they are shown the door. We don’t have an obvious candidate like Bullock on the roster.
 

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I think Pike saved a scholarship for a transfer next year so it makes sense plus, seeing the way he handled the Peter Kiss situation, knowing the guy was leaving but never giving a hint, if he truly thought any scholarship guy was in over his head, Pike would have The Talk. To me, I always thought Rieber was not BIG caliber but I have little to substantiate
 

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I think Rieber will be fine. To me it’s palmquist who I am questioning right now. While he has got a little run at times I didn’t see anything from him. Just looked a bit slow and seemed to be out of position often(yes he is a freshman so I’ll give him a pass there). I just expected someone to be a spot up shooter at the very least and haven’t seen it
 
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No reason for concern. There were two bigs that Rutgers also recruited last year that went to Minnesota and Illinois.

6'10 Coleman Hawkins is only playing spot minutes for Illinois. 6 minutes per game.

6'10 Martice Mitchell is not playing any minutes for Minnesota.
 
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NewJerseyHawk

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No reason for concern. There were two bigs that Rutgers also recruited last year that went to Minnesota and Illinois.

6'10 Coleman Hawkins is only playing spot minutes for Illinois. 6 minutes per game.

6'10 Martice Mitchell is not playing any minutes for Minnesota.

This is really the very first time in like forever where RU has a layer of depth playing and preventing frosh from cracking the lineup. Cliff and Jaden Jones would have been thrown to the wolves if this was 2 years ago, like Myles, Baker, Mathis RHJ, Caleb were.

It is really going to be a balance of whether a player can improve and develop behind the scenes, with an ultimate redshirt like Myles Johnson had in 2017. The Myles we saw in 2018 was very limited but he was granted a 1 year head start.

Can Mag, Palmquist and Reiber take the time and competition and see which of the three is going to work to earn minutes??
 
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