THE FRAUD!!

DraftCat

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Dude, it's not about championships. We're changing the lives of these players.

True long as these kids make more $$$ than me... without supporting the program with success or money we are good! LOL
 

Vismund

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Did K have 30+ NBA players in his first 11 years. Multiple #1 overall picks?

I'll admit, he's done less with more only slightly less so than Cal, but he's not exactly getting in the way of his players, either.
 
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Can we please have another thread about Calipari needing to go, or Sharpe. Why are none of the threads talking about this?

Seriously, all of these are basically the same.
 

kybassfan

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Can we please have another thread about Calipari needing to go, or Sharpe. Why are none of the threads talking about this?

Seriously, all of these are basically the same.
They are. Nothing new in last week actually.

Well one thing was new. Apparently the buy out is at 50 mill +.

Pretty much time to shut up and get ready for next year with KY’s chosen coach after that.
 

kybassfan

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Just own what? That C3 isn’t Roy or K? That he isn’t Rupp or Wooden. Okay, he’s not them. You got me there. I own it.

Surprised you are working so hard to defend a rich white dude that’s business-minded and tweets a lot. Hmmm, subconscious again.
Own the fact that you can’t stand KY and how they run their team. Cal is their choice.
 

Blue63Madison

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You wrote the check? I never heard anyone ***** that could actually demonstrate they really paid a nickel beyond the $400k the state pays. In the case of that money it seems they actsully paid about a nickel. It’s funny when you see this righteous indignation over a nickel.
I’m convinced we could go 0-32 next year and you’d still be defending Calipari.
 
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kybassfan

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I’m convinced we could go 0-32 next year and you’d still be defending Calipari.
Depends. If the school stood behind him, yeah. If I couldn’t, I wouldn’t piss on him here. I have more effective ways to share my thoughts in that case.

When the next guy comes along, I’ll be backing him up too. Hell, you have known me a long time now, even back in the Tubby days. I’m all in on the program. Doesn’t mean I run the program. I haven’t changed a bit.
 
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Gromcat_rivals

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You and I are around the same age (I’m 38) and I believe we have a similar understanding on this. Roy is an excellent example when citing a true basketball coach, seemingly unaware of image, although later in his career he made efforts in that direction (wearing Jordan’s while coaching). Roy just oozes that battle-hardened, walking with a limp, coach-speak 24-7, wearing a KU/UNC shirt to dinner with the fam.

If Roy were at a celebrity event, say like the Super Bowl, he would migrate towards old coaches. That’s “his people”. Cal would likely try to rub elbows with an Elon Musk type, or Bill Gates, etc. Old Coaches aren’t where he migrates because they’re not really “his people”.

What does this have to do with the present? Well I think Cal changed after 2012. I think 2015 was his ultimate goal (undefeated season), but residual in a way from his success in 2012 and 2014. It was just easy at that time because recruits were flowing. But I think after 2012 Cal said “Ok, Lord thank you for mine (title) now I’m going to serve” and Players First really took off.

Even the title was strange for C3. I’ve said before, when they handed him the trophy he was careful not to show too much joy about it. Did he smile? Of course. But he quickly handed the trophy to the kids as if to say “see, we won it and I still don’t care because it’s not about me, and I’m not going to give you (media/other haters at the time) the satisfaction of accusing me of always being about me”. But make no mistake, he wanted that title.

C3 has always wanted a seat at “the table”. He wanted to be like a Coach K, Roy, Pitino, Wooden, Smith, Knight etc. UK gave him that, but he needed the title to solidify it. He got it, and got it quickly. Why? Because he was freaking starving for it. He was relentless. Needed it for validation. But once he got it, he changed. Almost like “ok, now I’ve got to really really make it about the players to clean up my legacy”.

I’m rambling, I know. But the point is C3 isn’t chasing titles anymore. He doesn’t need it. Chris Beard is hungry, Nate Oates, Musselman, Bruce Pearl, Buzz William, etc. These guys, and many many more, are HUNGRY. They are chasing the title. If UK were open, guys like them know it’s a place where they can get their title. That’s why we get great coaches, because UK is a place that can help them achieve their dream.

That’s not C3’s dream anymore. That’s the bow to wrap this long-winded post up. C3 has shifted gears. It’s about the kids now. Noble as hell, but not productive for KENTUCKY BASKETBALL.

I agree with every point. I’ll rant with you

And of course, Calipari was hungry to win A title. What we didn’t know, and quite frankly should have because he said it, is he wasn’t concerned with winning more.

To me, and I think there’s plenty of proof to suggest this, Calipari is a rare coach that seemed to be on his way to dominance but instead decided he’d not care anymore and created a false choice between helping people / simultaneously performing his job at the highest level. Does it really make sense to anyone that we even discuss this false dilemma? All of a sudden at UK if He cares about winning championships then he can’t be in favor of his players success.

To my knowledge he’s the only coach to have ever made such a false choice.

The night Kentucky won the national championship Calipari told his wife “now that we’ve done that (won the title) we can now move on to other things. He’s literally saying we don’t have to worry about winning championships anymore. People chalked this up to coach speak and initially I did as well, but it’s obvious now that it wasn’t.

When his boss makes a statement affirming that WINNING is a PRIORITY at the UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY basketball program - time to end the debate. He doesn’t care. And you can tell by the results he’s not putting the time into Kentucky he once did.

I’m going to link this video because Calipari explains in detail, and looks sincere I might add, in saying he’s no longer interested in winning anymore. He even says “I went from the business of basketball to the business of helping families”

There’s that false choice again by the way.



Also something to take note of that isn’t discussed enough. Calipari says “what do I do with this seat while I have it” - How should he spend his time while he’s here. What this is, and frankly it’s quite revealing, is Calipari saying no other coach will do this and so I only have so long now to get it done. But get what done?

He says he’s helping families, but Derrick Rose didn’t need help. Cal isn’t stupid, he knows he didn’t do anything for Derrick Rose, or Anthony Davis, or John Wall. So why is this so important to the point where he’ll turn away a traditional understanding of what college coaching is and form some hybrid between coaching and mentoring families and their lifestyle choices? I mean he’s spending every day worried about being besties with players instead of his job description.

And then it hits me. Calipari is all about business and he’s already maxed out Kentucky in his mind. Whatever he’s doing, he’s doing it for his future in having all of these relationships (hello Shaedon Sharpe) with guys he’s not only told he cares about more than anyone, but look, he proved it. He said he didn’t care about winning he only cared about you, and then he proved it. Look at the RESULTS. He talks about telling parents you can trust me, because of the results. Now look, I started sucking because I didn’t care about the roster, or who stayed, or how the team would perform. I said I”lol do right by you first, and I did. Even to my detriment. He wants these relationships more than he wants to be a winning coach.

It’s a business plan people. We’re just a step along the way. People say Calipari can’t adapt, well he’s showing he can, but it’s going to happen where he thinks it Benefits him the most. I truly believe Cal thinks he’ll be far richer and more powerful taking this route. Notice he says “we’ve created a billion dollar in earnings for my guys”. It’s not speak for recruiting, he’s forming a future business model.
 
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kybassfan

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I agree with every point. I’ll rant with you

And of course, Calipari was hungry to win A title. What we didn’t know, and quite frankly should have because he said it, is he wasn’t concerned with winning more.

To me, and I think there’s plenty of proof to suggest this, Calipari is a rare coach that seemed to be on his way to dominance but instead decided he’d not care anymore and created a false choice between helping people / simultaneously performing his job at the highest level. Does it really make sense to anyone that we even discuss this false dilemma? All of a sudden at UK if He cares about winning championships then he can’t be in favor of his players success.

To my knowledge he’s the only coach to have ever made such a false choice.

The night Kentucky won the national championship Calipari told his wife “now that we’ve done that (won the title) we can now move on to other things. He’s literally saying we don’t have to worry about winning championships anymore. People chalked this up to coach speak and initially I did as well, but it’s obvious now that it wasn’t.

When his boss makes a statement affirming that WINNING is a PRIORITY at the UNIVERSITY OF KENTUCKY basketball program - time to end the debate. He doesn’t care. And you can tell by the results he’s not putting the time into Kentucky he once did.

I’m going to link this video because Calipari explains in detail, and looks sincere I might add, in saying he’s no longer interested in winning anymore. He even says “I went from the business of basketball to the business of helping families”

There’s that false choice again by the way.

Also something to take note of that isn’t discussed enough. Calipari says “what do I do with this seat while I have it” - How should he spend his time while he’s here. What this is, and frankly it’s quite revealing, is Calipari saying no other coach will do this and so I only have so long now to get it done. But get what done?

He says he’s helping families, but Derrick Rose didn’t need help. Cal isn’t stupid, he knows he didn’t do anything for Derrick Rose, or Anthony Davis, or John Wall. So why is this so important to the point where he’ll turn away a traditional understanding of what college coaching is and form some hybrid between coaching and mentoring families and their lifestyle choices? I mean he’s spending every day worried about being besties with players instead of his job description.

And then it hits me. Calipari is all about business and he’s already maxed out Kentucky in his mind. Whatever he’s doing, he’s doing it for his future in having all of these relationships (hello Shaedon Sharpe) with guys he’s not only told he cares about more than anyone, but look, he proved it. He said he didn’t care about winning he only cared about you, and then he proved it. Look at the RESULTS. He talks about telling parents you can trust me, because of the results. Now look, I started sucking because I didn’t care about the roster, or who stayed, or how the team would perform. I said if do right by you first, and I did. Even to my detriment. He wants these relationships more than he wants to be a winning coach.

It’s a business plan people. We’re just a step along the way. People say Calipari can’t adapt, well he’s showing he can, but it’s going to happen where he thinks it Beni fits him the most. I truly believe Cal thinks he’ll be far richer and more powerful taking this route.
Let’s see. How to make all those words look stupid in one sentence.

He wanted to go 40 - 0.
 

Gromcat_rivals

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Let’s see. How to make all those words look stupid in one sentence.

He wanted to go 40 - 0.

KL I can’t think of everything for you. And really why would I even try, you’ve already said it doesn’t matter what he does. You’re going to spin for him right or wrong. But I’ll play your amateur hour bs.

Do you expect him to fall off the map and go 9-16 one year removed from a title? His success recruited itself for a few years. Also is Calipari lying when he says he does not care about winning?
 

kybassfan

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KL I can’t think of everything for you. And really why would I even try, you’ve already said it doesn’t matter what he does. You’re going to spin for him right or wrong. But I’ll play your amateur hour bs.

Do you expect him to fall off the map and go 9-16 one year removed from a title? His success recruited itself for a few years. Also is Calipari lying when he says he does not care about winning?
Snicker

You do know to go 40 - 0 you have to win a title. Rather contradictory to your claim in that wall of useless and utterly incoherent text you posted. Might’something that just flies over the head of Mempiss fans.

I don’t know the context of that statement, though it’s likely coach speak. That’s something you have a proven inability to comprehend. Not all of us dissect every syllable the man utters desperate for any possible way to take it out of context. I am not frantically gleaning his every word so I can bash KY basketball. Again, maybe it’s a thing in Mempiss.

By the way, you are seeing double again. I’m not KL. You are so obsessed you see me everywhere you go.
 

Cawood86_rivals

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It took K 11 years to win a title.
Yep....took Cal a lot longer than that....now to be fair....Cal was at UMass several years and at Memphis for 9 years I think.

K's years coached to titles is not really that impressive imo. I think it's 47 years. 42 or 43 at dook I think. Averages out to around a titles every 8 plus years. Considering the preferred treatment they got many years and the talent he's had the last few years, he should have more imo.

But if Cal had 5 at UK, not a peep from me and a lot more the same I would think.
 
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Bluesbrother

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Better question. How many nickels in 52 million bucks.
Your question is irrelevant and without merit because Calipari's already voided his contract. Mitch just needs to have UK's attorneys drop the hammer on him and show him the door if he doesn't mind. The whole sports world is coming down on him and he deserves it all. He can be fired ... for "cause" which renders the contract void.

Now, my question that I've posed for you is very relevant because many seem to believe that your elevator isn't going all the way to the top floor. We all need a baseline to fully understand who we're dealing with here Bass, you must understand our collective concern ... right? As remarkable as it seems, you willfully talk down to others and hurt their feeling sometimes not to mention your spouting your irrational support for a coach that hates UK basketball. You're scaring the good people on this board with all of your crazy talk. Now back to my question ... I know it seems simple but actually it be somewhat complex (for some people) but I think you can handle it ... just take a moment ... we're all friends here Bass.
 

kybassfan

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Your question is irrelevant and without merit because Calipari's already voided his contract. Mitch just needs to have UK's attorneys drop the hammer on him and show him the door if he doesn't mind. The whole sports world is coming down on him and he deserves it all. He can be fired ... for "cause" which renders the contract void.

Now, my question that I've posed for you is very relevant because many seem to believe that your elevator isn't going all the way to the top floor. We all need a baseline to fully understand who we're dealing with here Bass, you must understand our collective concern ... right? As remarkable as it seems, you willfully talk down to others and hurt their feeling sometimes not to mention your spouting your irrational support for a coach that hates UK basketball. You're scaring the good people on this board with all of your crazy talk. Now back to my question ... I know it seems simple but actually it be somewhat complex (for some people) but I think you can handle it ... just take a moment ... we're all friends here Bass.
Lol. Voided his contract? Barking mad. Delirious. Tell me the articles violated … Snicker.

You need not worry about my elevator. Yours is in free fall. Lucky for you, there is only 2 floors.
 

KYCAT78

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It took K 11 years to win a title.
How many years did it take to win the next 4? Cal is sitting at 10 and has not sniffed a FF since 2015, but he has had a NIT and the worst losing season in UK history.
 
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Kybassfan,

I’m not sure of your point. Athletics department pays 57m or so in salaries and Cal is 9 of that. Yes that is all athletics dept revenue and not “state” money. But it’s still 9m of the total 155m budget. That’s huge. It demands results. Seems like you point is lost trying to prove it isn’t “tax payer” money. Who cares? It’s 9m from athletics budget. Holy ****. Pay it fine, but you better deliver.
Needs to talk to her husband more.
 

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To quote Gladiator "Were you not entertained" this season?

Yes the ending was bad, but unfortunately upsets happen. We're the last big program to get bit in the first round.
Yes, Cal was outcoached and lost it the same was he has lost games in the past. I think he has to prove he will change or it's time to go. He won't get fired without another season like like year, so we got at least 2-3 years unless he moves on.

But this was overall a fun season to watch with a good team and good hearted kids. Oscar has moved up behind Mashburn and Shepperd as my favorite UK players ever.

I am bitterly disappointed with the loss, but had a great ride through the year. You can be a UK fan and support our coach. You can be a UK fan and hate our coach. It's not a mutually exclusive thing.
 

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Lol. Voided his contract? Barking mad. Delirious. Tell me the articles violated … Snicker.

You need not worry about my elevator. Yours is in free fall. Lucky for you, there is only 2 floors.
I've given you enough time Bass, times up ... back to the important question, nickels in a quarter ... How many?
 
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kybassfan

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Your question is irrelevant and without merit because Calipari's already voided his contract. Mitch just needs to have UK's attorneys drop the hammer on him and show him the door if he doesn't mind. The whole sports world is coming down on him and he deserves it all. He can be fired ... for "cause" which renders the contract void.
I've given you enough time Bass, times up ... back to the important question, nickels in a quarter ... How many?
Wait….. Damn, I don’t think you can comprehend this answer. How many fingers do you still have? Present worth? Buffalo or wooden. Which currency. You are asking this because you can’t count money?

Not my fault you can’t count change. Not surprised though.
 

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Wait….. Damn, I don’t think you can comprehend this answer. How many fingers do you still have? Present worth? Buffalo or wooden. Which currency. You are asking this because you can’t count money?

Not my fault you can’t count change. Not surprised though.
Still waiting Bass.
 

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How many years did it take to win the next 4? Cal is sitting at 10 and has not sniffed a FF since 2015, but he has had a NIT and the worst losing season in UK history.
14 years. Cal was too successful to quick. Spread out the final fours and people are happy. Even though it’s the same number of final fours.
 

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Actually, not any more. I don’t really need It. For a simple fool, my finances are in pretty good shape.

As far as Cali’s pay, your statement suggests your horizons of understanding are rather….limited.

Despite missing your mark twice in one sentence, I’m sure your financial wizardry would amaze us all.
RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN into traffic
 
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I don’t know if it’s a family member, but yeah, that poster often does come across as someone with an inside agenda. Relentlessly defending Cal appears to be his/her sole reason for being here (and with an oddly defensive tone at times), doesn’t discuss basketball in any other context.
Join date is more in-line with Mitch
 

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KL I can’t think of everything for you. And really why would I even try, you’ve already said it doesn’t matter what he does. You’re going to spin for him right or wrong. But I’ll play your amateur hour bs.

Do you expect him to fall off the map and go 9-16 one year removed from a title? His success recruited itself for a few years. Also is Calipari lying when he says he does not care about winning?
Remember after the 2015 loss to Wisky, one of Cal's talking points was that the players were relieved because the pressure was finally off? I thought that was weird back then but it fits what he says now about the SEC loss to UT being a 'godsend.'

The man just isn't right.
 

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Which comes from shoe contracts, corp donations, etc. not public funding. For this he is bound to fulfill his contract. To my knowledge and those around me he has never been in breach of that contract in any substantive or actionable way. The title of the thread is “The Fraud“. In fact there is no fraud. This is just another example of the hyperbole and downright slander employed by haters of the KY Basketball Program and the individual they retain as coach. This is a disgraceful display of mob or vigilante mentality.

That is my point.
Do some research