The board doesn't seem the same

[knightfan7]

It may have been 2nd level but at least fans could feel RU had a chance to make some noise in the BE/AAC. Now we look at the schedule and see 2,3,4 teams that have legit shots to make the playoffs and more that can be in the Top 25, all while RU is trying to rebuild from the disaster that was the Flood era. Of course there isn't a lot of juice. It's understandable to be disheartened. Even as big a Pollyanna as I am I still get down. Hell, last year I left 2 games early (3rd Qtr) something I never had done before.

I just prefer to remember this was a team that went 8-5 not that long ago. Not all B1G teams are world beaters. There are a number of potential wins on the schedule. That's just the way I roll.

 

[WhiteBus]

Lol, good line,but alas, your wrong again. Can't you get anything right? Seems I've gotten under your skin ShortBus.

Oh god please don't flatter yourself. I dint take this board seriously at all. And you shouldn't take me serious either. As most of the time im not.
I just thought it was a funny line so I posted it. BTW how are the Mets doing??

 

[Scarlet_Scourge]

It is the off season.

 

[RU848789]

Many of us are not convinced that Greg was actually offered the Michigan job. I believe that Greg may have been on the Mich short list, but I don't believe that he ever had a firm offer.

Benching Tom Savage for a second string guy in Chas Dodd and running the Wild Knight offense that same season are not proud moments in Greg's RU coaching career IMO. Others may disagree.

Michigan offered, as per my buddy, who is best friends with Schiano from their playing days at Bucknell on the same defense. That's one degree of separation and a very good source.

 

[bac2therac]

Did you watch the games? It was clear that we were putting historically talented players (by RU standards) out there and there was a steady flow to the NFL. You have to realize the difficulty of the RU job, especially when we were in an uncertain conference situation. That is what some fail to understand. Beating Pitt and Cuse were rare events prior to GS. We did lose some games to UConn when we were more talented by they played ball control, low risk, boring football which kept them in games. We dominated a very solid USF teams for years. Bottom line, to take us from one of the worst teams in the country, to middle of the pack, was much more than "average". That is why he was a very strong candidate for big time schools. They were not hiring "average" coaches when they had their pick. His teams also filled the stadium, allowed expansion to occur, demonstrated to the B1G what our potential was, developed the Block R, got students to attend games which greatly increases the chance that they will come to games after graduation and donate, etc. Average? Come on now.

I said great for Rutgers but average for most schools. I don't follow the program to see how many players they can put ib the NFL..and if you want to go there it actually proves GS undrracheived based on talent...very average 7-5 season with Rice

 

[DJ Spanky]

Michigan offered, as per my buddy, who is best friends with Schiano from their playing days at Bucknell on the same defense. That's one degree of separation and a very good source.

Yes, they did. I love these people rewriting history whenever it suits them.

 

[RW90]

I definitely think Schiano plateaued in his time here and was never able to build upon the magic of 2006. That said, don't forget he actually did have RU in the conversation for the national title that November. Sure we were a dark horse, but looking back now to even be mentioned without the usual snicker is simply mind blowing.

 

[ruready4somefootball_rivals]

Oh god please don't flatter yourself. I dint take this board seriously at all. And you shouldn't take me serious either. As most of the time im not.
I just thought it was a funny line so I posted it. BTW how are the Mets doing??

Lol, Not very good,what can I say.I didn't see this coming, and I'm sure the whole season won't play out like this,as I don't think the Yankees will continue their surprising play either.

 

[REDRICH65]

I used to like it when we won 8- 9 games a year on average and had some budding rivalries. But we sold our souls for B1G money in the future. a la Faustus. Sadly, we will not be relevant in the B1G East for longer than I'll be alive.

 

[RU_bhustlin]

IMO, three things have to happen for Rutgers Football to become competitive in the near-term.

(1) Rutgers steals at least 4 wins this year and is competitive in games against better teams

This needs to happen, because without improvement this year, Ash will not be able to sign a decent recruiting class, which leads to . . .

(2) Rutgers needs 2 more recruiting classes in the 35 - 45 rankings range.

(3) Coach Kill needs to stick around for at least 3 years.

If these things happen, I think we can start expecting Michigan State type seasons within 4-5 years. If they don't happen, it's going to be difficult to dig out of the gutter.

 

[RU_bhustlin]

IMO, three things have to happen for Rutgers Football to become competitive in the near-term.

(1) Rutgers steals at least 4 wins this year and is competitive in games against better teams

This needs to happen, because without improvement this year, Ash will not be able to sign a decent recruiting class, which leads to . . .

(2) Rutgers needs 2 more recruiting classes in the 35 - 45 rankings range.

(3) Coach Kill needs to stick around for at least 3 years.

If these things happen, I think we can start expecting Michigan State type seasons within 4-5 years. If they don't happen, it's going to be difficult to dig out of the gutter.

I should have including (1)(a) -- no significant sanctions or new scandals

 

[cicero grimes]

This board has not been the same since AshSatuday disappeared.

 

[RURM85]

Budding rivalries with who? Nobody except maybe a few Syracuse fans considered Rutgers a rival. The hoards of opposing fans invading Rutgers Stadium? I most have missed that.

The only reason we won 8-9 games a year is because we opened up with a bunch of cream puffs to get fat off. The Big East became a crack house, a bad, seedy neigborhood where all football programs dreamed of escaping for greener pastures and when the ACC came knocking once a decade, there would be a beeline to the exit door. It was a dsyfunctional mess of a conference poorly run with no hope of survival.

We entered the BIG way behind in infrastructure and resources, and the old, cozy home of the Big East was partially to blame. This new conference is ripe with future opportunities and one day when we win, it will mean something.

 

[WhiteBus]

(3) Coach Kill needs to stick around for at least 3 years.

This maybe impossible. When was the last time we had same OC two years in row? Let alone 3 years

 

[NickKnight 1]

This maybe impossible. When was the last time we had same OC two years in row? Let alone 3 years

Not impossible, with his health issues it is highly unlikely he will take another
head coaching job. If he likes it here he might stay, over another OC job also.
I sure he will now pick health over wealth, well at least that's what I'm hoping.

 

[DJ Spanky]

This maybe impossible. When was the last time we had same OC two years in row? Let alone 3 years

2009-2010 with KC and his Sunshine Band.

 

[RUich]

........ Overall......... Conference
1990.... 1-10........... 0-8
1991.... 5-6............. 2-6
1992.... 5-6............. 3-5

I'll sign up for those wins in year two right now!

 

[yesrutgers01]

I used to like it when we won 8- 9 games a year on average and had some budding rivalries. But we sold our souls for B1G money in the future. a la Faustus. Sadly, we will not be relevant in the B1G East for longer than I'll be alive.

We can certainly become relevant fairly quickly. We need to win some games.

 

[WhiteBus]

Not impossible, with his health issues it is highly unlikely he will take another
head coaching job. If he likes it here he might stay, over another OC job also.
I sure he will now pick health over wealth, well at least that's what I'm hoping.

The same was said about the Fridge.

 

[RUschool]

Some fans have left. Rutgers only has 1 really bad season because of Flood. If we are lucky, we might only have 2 more bad seasons. Ash needs to turn it around by his 3-4 years in the program. If we had let Flood go his first or second year, we could have recovered faster.

 

[yesrutgers01]

A lot of the pretty positive posters who everyone loved to battle with decided to leave. Simple as that

 

[Knightmoves]

Michigan offered, as per my buddy, who is best friends with Schiano from their playing days at Bucknell on the same defense. That's one degree of separation and a very good source.

Offered, as in a oral trial close offer, or was there a contract drawn up ?

Need more details to believe that Greg had the Michigan job in hand.

And if he did, why didnt he accept it ? Cause he loved RU ? We learned later that wasnt true.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

Greg did NOT have an offer from Michigan. Then again, he may have told the team he was leaving in anticipation of an offer...lol

 

[RU848789]

Greg did NOT have an offer from Michigan. Then again, he may have told the team he was leaving in anticipation of an offer...lol

Unless you spoke to Greg directly, I'll put my source against yours every day of the week. College teammates, best friends, and families were and are still close.

 

[MYHATINTHERING]

Unless you spoke to Greg directly, I'll put my source against yours every day of the week. College teammates, best friends, and families were and are still close.

good for you sport, some of us have tight sources just as close but you keep on dreaming big....

he did NOT have an offer but he sureeeeee thought he was getting one

 

[RU848789]

good for you sport, some of us have tight sources just as close but you keep on dreaming big....

he did NOT have an offer but he sureeeeee thought he was getting one

Sorry, not good enough. I'll take my guy on this one. And for anyone who remembers, I also told people, in advance, he wasn't going to take the Michigan job, based on what my source told me. Wife/family simply didn't want to go at that time. Things were a bit different 6 years later.

 

[Retired711]

I never understand why anyone would attack Schiano. He took the program from the dregs to respectability. If it weren't for what he did, the program would be barely standing if at all. For one thing, he made the program academically respectable, and without that the program would have been downgraded or abolished. I know he had some real shortcomings, e.g. game day management, and I understand he found it difficult to control his temper. And my guess is that he would find it frustrating to be in Ash's position of having to rebuild the team once again. Still, he did a lot for us.

 

[NYCFootballFan]

If we get to 6 wins with this talent, Ash should be COY for the entire country.

he would be the Coach of Eternity, he would have done the impossible. The probability of 6 wins has to be 0%

 

[Knightmoves]

Sorry, not good enough. I'll take my guy on this one. And for anyone who remembers, I also told people, in advance, he wasn't going to take the Michigan job, based on what my source told me. Wife/family simply didn't want to go at that time. Things were a bit different 6 years later.

Sorry but this response is pretty lame. Not only do you not offer any evidence of an offer from Michigan to Greg, but you then gild the lily by boasting that you knew Greg wouldn't take the UM offer because his wife would not move there.

Why did you know more than Michigan did at the time ? They had more at stake than you did. Or not ?

Sorry but your story doesn't wash. But if it makes you happy to be a Monday morning QB after the fact then that is what counts to you.

I still don't believe that Greg had a committable offer from Michigan.

Can anyone do any better than RU #'s story ?

 

[Retired711]

It seems to me that Schiano himself might not have been sure how his family would react, so it's not surprising that Michigan didn't know. There's a difference between saying "honey, Michigan is interested" and "honey, Michigan wants me to come, so whaddya think?" RU #s is reliable, so I'm inclined to believe him. But does it really matter any more now that Schiano is just a memory?

 

[RU848789]

Sorry but this response is pretty lame. Not only do you not offer any evidence of an offer from Michigan to Greg, but you then gild the lily by boasting that you knew Greg wouldn't take the UM offer because his wife would not move there.

Why did you know more than Michigan did at the time ? They had more at stake than you did. Or not ?

Sorry but your story doesn't wash. But if it makes you happy to be a Monday morning QB after the fact then that is what counts to you.

I still don't believe that Greg had a committable offer from Michigan.

Can anyone do any better than RU #'s story ?

I don't really give a **** if you believe it or not. I posted the exact same information back in 2006, when it was all happening and quite a few people seemed to appreciate it back then. What "evidence" would you like me to provide? Do you actually think I have a copy of some contract? Please. Like anyone else around here with inside sources, I know a guy who knows Schiano. Except I would wager that this source is probably better than 99% of the people others call sources around here, at least with regard to Greg.

As I've posted many times, my friend (who I know from Rutgers and from work) told me after the fact that Schiano had a real offer from Michigan (I don't know if it was an actual contract - I never asked that detail - I didn't think people would be dissecting my posts that closely) and was very close to taking it, but he said no after talking it over with his family, and in particular his wife, Christy; my friend also told me he talked to Schiano a day or two before all the news broke and that he was pretty sure Schiano wouldn't take the job for those same reasons (and he told me this that day, as he knew what a huge fan I was). I didn't ask for more detail than that because, frankly, all I cared about was whether Schiano was staying or not and I was very happy when my friend told me he was staying at RU.

What evidence do you have that he didn't get an offer from Michigan? My guess is you know a guy who didn't know Schiano as well as my friend...

 

[huskersalways]

Not impossible, with his health issues it is highly unlikely he will take another
head coaching job. If he likes it here he might stay, over another OC job also.
I sure he will now pick health over wealth, well at least that's what I'm hoping.

After Kill left/was forced out at Minnesota(there are conflicting stories between him and Minnesota) he stated that he wanted to be a head coach again and felt he finally had done the necessary stuff to make sure his health issues were in check. Nobody offered him any kid of coaching position and his buddy Snyder threw him a lifeline to work at KSU to keep him involved in football so he could get a head job again sometime. I remember Snyder saying that once he was out of football, Kill would ever make it back because it would be too hard to remain a known quantity if out of the game entirely. Kill even stated that he was at KSU till he could get back into coaching and wants to lead a program again. Guys that have had some success as head coaches in college football will always be looking to be the head guy again.

 

[RU62]

It's unbelievable how and why some people want to continue or cannot accept the fact that GS turned down the Michigan offer. Quite frankly who really gives a damn and does it really matter. I'll accept the credibility of #'s any day of the week as being near or on target and again does the issue really matter in the scheme of things. If you want to find something to beat down then perhaps discuss how Rutgers AD screwed up in firing Frank Burns and the lack of overall commitment over the years etc.

 

[Knightmoves]

I don't really give a **** if you believe it or not. I posted the exact same information back in 2006, when it was all happening and quite a few people seemed to appreciate it back then. What "evidence" would you like me to provide? Do you actually think I have a copy of some contract? Please. Like anyone else around here with inside sources, I know a guy who knows Schiano. Except I would wager that this source is probably better than 99% of the people others call sources around here, at least with regard to Greg.

As I've posted many times, my friend (who I know from Rutgers and from work) told me after the fact that Schiano had a real offer from Michigan (I don't know if it was an actual contract - I never asked that detail - I didn't think people would be dissecting my posts that closely) and was very close to taking it, but he said no after talking it over with his family, and in particular his wife, Christy; my friend also told me he talked to Schiano a day or two before all the news broke and that he was pretty sure Schiano wouldn't take the job for those same reasons (and he told me this that day, as he knew what a huge fan I was). I didn't ask for more detail than that because, frankly, all I cared about was whether Schiano was staying or not and I was very happy when my friend told me he was staying at RU.

What evidence do you have that he didn't get an offer from Michigan? My guess is you know a guy who didn't know Schiano as well as my friend...

Ok, last one from me.

Did Greg formally interview with Michigan at that time ? What can you tell us about that ? Generally people need to take an interview to get an offer.

Was the offer in writing or was it a verbal ? And was a salary discussed ?

If you don't know those types of details then I can't buy your story.

No problem for RU fans to have different beliefs on this issue IMO. We can agree to disagree.

 

[RURM85]

After Kill left/was forced out at Minnesota(there are conflicting stories between him and Minnesota) he stated that he wanted to be a head coach again and felt he finally had done the necessary stuff to make sure his health issues were in check. Nobody offered him any kid of coaching position and his buddy Snyder threw him a lifeline to work at KSU to keep him involved in football so he could get a head job again sometime. I remember Snyder saying that once he was out of football, Kill would ever make it back because it would be too hard to remain a known quantity if out of the game entirely. Kill even stated that he was at KSU till he could get back into coaching and wants to lead a program again. Guys that have had some success as head coaches in college football will always be looking to be the head guy again.

Kill went on record in his autobiography stating he did not want to be a head coach again.
“I might consider [being] a position coach someday,” Kill writes. “Do I ever want to be a head coach again? The answer is no. … I know for sure I will be part of football again someday. I just don’t know what part it will be.”
In addition, he continues to state to the media that he's not interested in being a head coach again.

He turned around the Minnesota program and left it in better shape compared to when he started. If he wanted to be a Head Coach prior to taking the Rutgers OC, there would have been a program that would have hired him. Is it possible he changes his mind in the future? Of course, it's possible.

 

[Big Mac RU Fan]

Ok, last one from me.

Did Greg formally interview with Michigan at that time ? What can you tell us about that ? Generally people need to take an interview to get an offer.

Was the offer in writing or was it a verbal ? And was a salary discussed ?

If you don't know those types of details then I can't buy your story.

No problem for RU fans to have different beliefs on this issue IMO. We can agree to disagree.

Numbers' information seems credible. I'm not sure why you think he's making it up and feel the need to grill him for additional details. Perhaps he should contact his buddy and explain the situation and request his buddy contact GS for additional information to appease you.

 

[RUschool]

There's still a lot of Schiano haters out there, the best football coach Rutgers ever had. Even when you see our current situation, they don't give the credit that due.

 

[RU31trap]

I think the Big East always offered us a chance to go bowling and that made the threads much more lively. There was a team interest not only by hardcore fans but also fans on the fence. Now we play in a conference that is far more competitive. Teams that are led by Institutions who are full members and Donors who pour 10's of millions into their respective programs. Another forbidden topic RU fans refuse to discuss is the lack of a regional relationship we have with B10 schools. Other than Penn State we really have very little in common with mid-western schools. I know its a moot point because the ACC never extended an invite but many New Jerseyans believe there would be much more buzz if we played Florida St., Miami, Clemson, UNC, Duke, Georgia Tech, Syracuse, Pittsburgh and yes even Boston College. Sure there would be less money but we would be far more competitive and traveling to an away game wouldn't be a financial burden. Before the B10 I remember at least 10 to 15 posters from opposing teams coming on our site and engaging in some great exchanges. Not any more.

 

[NickKnight 1]

There's still a lot of Schiano haters out there, the best football coach Rutgers ever had. Even when you see our current situation, they don't give the credit that due.

Better than Bateman, and Burns?

 

[RUschool]

Better than Bateman, and Burns?

Never watched Rutgers football before Schiano. Schiano brought out a lot of fans to the stadium. Did they fill the stadium?