But no one better than George Foster "Sandy" Sanford (1913-23) who's in the College Football Hall of Fame, primarily for his coaching at Rutgers.:smiley:
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But no one better than George Foster "Sandy" Sanford (1913-23) who's in the College Football Hall of Fame, primarily for his coaching at Rutgers.:smiley:
I remember that RU stepped up and matched what Michigan was offering so money must have been discussed or Greg was playing poker. I know you hated GS but you have to admit that he was a very hot coach after 2006. Other anti-Schiano people said he was afraid to take on the Michigan job which was equally ridiculous. Then they were furious that he left for a huge raise to join the NFL. Bottom line, Rutgers is a very difficult place to win and has been generally unable to hire talented coaches in football and basketball for a multitude of reasons.
Typical MO for KnightBowelMovement. GS was offered the job, but chose not to take it because he didn't want to uproot his family.
The only way to settle the Schiano to UM puzzle is to get GS and RU#'s friend under oath and depose each of them. I call upon the the Mods to use their judicial powers to compel both persons to appear before this forum and give testimony as to the events concerning GS to UM.
How about stop being so friggen lazy and google it. There are tons of stories on Michigan offering Schiano.
Please, Sparky. You are a moderator, so please try to be moderate in your posts and avoid personal attacks. Be an example for the rest of us.
He did turn it down, but the real reason? He was waiting for Paterno to retire,
he believed he was the first choice there.
Me either. Also can some one define what the expression "Are you static" means. I am going to assume the vernacular is not referring to static cling which thankfully I am free of.
If you believe that recruiting is 90 % of the job of a head football coach at the D1A level then Burns and Bateman aren't in Schiano's class.
Back when those two coached here RU's big game was vs. Princeton or Bucknell. And New Jersey's top high school football talent never gave RU a look.
Listen, I hope that Ash turns things around here and gets RU back to bowl games and winning seasons. But if he doesn't, perhaps some of you will finally admit that Rutgers football peaked during the Schiano Era.
If you make the comparision today you are 110% correct Kbee...we shall see soon, in the next 24 months if Ash era is going to take hold here..
I know I could write an entire book on the last 15 years of this program, but, here is what happened in short form:
1. The Big East was at a high point, contrary to the media bashing (TV contracts were becoming what they are now and media had an agenda), and the Big Ten was in a lull. There were many debates that top to bottom the big east was strong than the big ten in multiple years in the mid 2000s.
2. Schiano was given ample time to change culture, and, his early success forced the school to invest in infrastructure improvements he demanded.
3. Schiano caught lightening in a bottle in 2006, putting us ahead of a realistic growth timeline, and changing program expectations. A virus contracted by a law part of the team, and then, a bad call and dropped pass stopped a a historical season of Rutgers Football from being nationally historical.
4. Recruitng was not at a consistent top 40 level for 4 years leading up to 06. Yet expectations were immediately raised. Ville and West Virgina were still ahead and offensive guru Brian Kelley took over at Cincy.
3. Tom Savage. A pied piper arrived. AA season. Expectations sky high. Schiano going no where after turning down jobs after 06.
4. Schiano panicked. He couldn't stop the spread, new college football was trending to it and abandoned his principles and tried to switch the offense. Those bad recruitng classes from 03 04 05 06 07 did not perform well, particular on the oline. On field results stuck in holding pattern.
5. 2010. Big E. Lost year. Obstacle in the road. But overcome in 2011 thanks to 08 09 10 improved recruitng beginning to get PT. Meanwhile, Big Ten improving.
6. Better recruited talent developing allowing program to keep getting to bowl games.
7. Harley joins. 2011 and 2012 recruiting break threw. To the point where top 2 class in conference, below OSU and Michigan but on par or better than next tier in B1G.
8. Remember "Stars Aligning"? Recruitng poised to stay consistent top 25 area. Momentum galore. 2012/2013 returning tons to great players. Definite favorite to win conference.
9. Chip Kelly turns down Tampa Bay job.
10. Greg gets the call. While he realized potential of program, Nebraska just got added to BIG and we did not, and he couldn't say no to an NFL job especially one in Florida. Kyle Flood promoted to keep recruitng class together.
11. Flood cruises to defacto championship game with defensive core that could coach themselves. having said that another bad call is all that keeps us from orange Bowl.
12. Questions of Floods coaching come to light. Enough momentum in program for Flood to recruit well. Loses a lot of core players and can't improve as the season goes on. Off field fake bullying issue harped on by ledger, team not playing well, no certain conference affiliation, recruitng class jumps ship, and late push to fire flood fails.
IF FLOOD WAS FIRED HERE AND GOOD HIRE WAS MADE MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THE LULL COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.
13. 09 10 11 12 classes are all old enough to have grown physically into starting roles. Big ten still not strong. RU surprises everyone with bowl game first year in big with talent people didn't know we had. Even with bowl game, 9 wins (IMO - said it all along) was the floor. More signs of Flood under performing. Recruitng continues to slide.
14. I'm getting busy now - long story short we let Flood falter for almost 2 more calendar years to the point where recruitng is now trending to the level of classes pre 2008.
15. Ash takes over with worst talent in program in over a decade but is expected to get to bowl games in two seasons in a big ten conference that has now become arguably the best conference in football. Not only is talent at its lowest point but so is the Rutgers brand do to off field issues.
16. Ash miraculous recruits a top 40 ish class, proving better than any of Floods previous classes, all while having to deal with putrid results from the least talent squad Rutgers has had thanks to Flood. Hiring of Mehringer hurts win total and offensive efficiency. Ash prefaced sacrifices would be made in order to transition to spread for future of program.
17. People hate coach Ash 9 months before signing day after recruitng 5th or 6th best class since turn of the century coming off of poor season with Floods bad talent in a rising big ten conference.
*Schiano always said 2006 and 2012 probably should've been switched. He did not expect success to come so early. He was on the right track. With or without Savage (mishandled) Rutgers should have been playing in the Orange Bowl vs Florida.
Go to go now and resume working.
1. The Big East was at a high point, contrary to the media bashing (TV contracts were becoming what they are now and media had an agenda), and the Big Ten was in a lull. There were many debates that top to bottom the big east was strong than the big ten in multiple years in the mid 2000s.
2. Schiano was given ample time to change culture, and, his early success forced the school to invest in infrastructure improvements he demanded.
3. Schiano caught lightening in a bottle in 2006, putting us ahead of a realistic growth timeline, and changing program expectations. A virus contracted by a law part of the team, and then, a bad call and dropped pass stopped a a historical season of Rutgers Football from being nationally historical.
4. Recruitng was not at a consistent top 40 level for 4 years leading up to 06. Yet expectations were immediately raised. Ville and West Virgina were still ahead and offensive guru Brian Kelley took over at Cincy.
3. Tom Savage. A pied piper arrived. AA season. Expectations sky high. Schiano going no where after turning down jobs after 06.
4. Schiano panicked. He couldn't stop the spread, new college football was trending to it and abandoned his principles and tried to switch the offense. Those bad recruitng classes from 03 04 05 06 07 did not perform well, particular on the oline. On field results stuck in holding pattern.
5. 2010. Big E. Lost year. Obstacle in the road. But overcome in 2011 thanks to 08 09 10 improved recruitng beginning to get PT. Meanwhile, Big Ten improving.
6. Better recruited talent developing allowing program to keep getting to bowl games.
7. Harley joins. 2011 and 2012 recruiting break threw. To the point where top 2 class in conference, below OSU and Michigan but on par or better than next tier in B1G.
8. Remember "Stars Aligning"? Recruitng poised to stay consistent top 25 area. Momentum galore. 2012/2013 returning tons to great players. Definite favorite to win conference.
9. Chip Kelly turns down Tampa Bay job.
10. Greg gets the call. While he realized potential of program, Nebraska just got added to BIG and we did not, and he couldn't say no to an NFL job especially one in Florida. Kyle Flood promoted to keep recruitng class together.
11. Flood cruises to defacto championship game with defensive core that could coach themselves. having said that another bad call is all that keeps us from orange Bowl.
12. Questions of Floods coaching come to light. Enough momentum in program for Flood to recruit well. Loses a lot of core players and can't improve as the season goes on. Off field fake bullying issue harped on by ledger, team not playing well, no certain conference affiliation, recruitng class jumps ship, and late push to fire flood fails.
IF FLOOD WAS FIRED HERE AND GOOD HIRE WAS MADE MY PERSONAL OPINION IS THE LULL COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED.
13. 09 10 11 12 classes are all old enough to have grown physically into starting roles. Big ten still not strong. RU surprises everyone with bowl game first year in big with talent people didn't know we had. Even with bowl game, 9 wins (IMO - said it all along) was the floor. More signs of Flood under performing. Recruitng continues to slide.
14. I'm getting busy now - long story short we let Flood falter for almost 2 more calendar years to the point where recruitng is now trending to the level of classes pre 2008.
15. Ash takes over with worst talent in program in over a decade but is expected to get to bowl games in two seasons in a big ten conference that has now become arguably the best conference in football. Not only is talent at its lowest point but so is the Rutgers brand do to off field issues.
16. Ash miraculous recruits a top 40 ish class, proving better than any of Floods previous classes, all while having to deal with putrid results from the least talent squad Rutgers has had thanks to Flood. Hiring of Mehringer hurts win total and offensive efficiency. Ash prefaced sacrifices would be made in order to transition to spread for future of program.
17. People hate coach Ash 9 months before signing day after recruitng 5th or 6th best class since turn of the century coming off of poor season with Floods bad talent in a rising big ten conference.
*Schiano always said 2006 and 2012 probably should've been switched. He did not expect success to come so early. He was on the right track. With or without Savage (mishandled) Rutgers should have been playing in the Orange Bowl vs Florida.
Go to go now and resume working.
Hmm.. Scooter. Wasn't that Phil Rizzuto's nickname when he was a shortstop and not yet a baseball announcer? I'll take it as a compliment!
Maybe not the same, but we have posts about kitchen remodels, dude diets and really cool golf balls ...and that's just page 1!! Progress?
I know 2006 was the dream season and the peak in terms of on field accomplishments. But in terms of the program itself, I think the peak was 2012. The team itself was loaded as proven by the draft picks and NFL camp invites. Recruiting was the best it ever was. Schiano, Hafley, Archie, Fleck were a recruiting dream team. There was so much buzz across NJ HS that unless the OSUs and Michigans of the world really wanted a kid, they didn't even bother because Rutgers had the state on near lock down. And more importantly that momentum would have continued to the 2013, and beyond classes. Imagine a 2014, 2015 or 2016 team with guys like Sky Moore, Sickels, Bowers, Fuller, Blacknall, Mahon, Barkley, Muhammed - all RU leans at one point.
Alas. Close but no cigar. Now we rebuild. Patience, we can get there again.
As a professor the term would completely insult your intelligence. It literally use to be a street term for robbing people and/or selling drugs yet, somehow, turned into being "the ****" more-or-less:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Stain
Are those really related? They seem like completely different things.
Always assumed "stain" in this sense meant staying power, cachet, endurance, etc ... like a literal stain.
Either way, I agree: it's terrible and needs to go.
Wasn't the statement made by a recruit about our former HC that "He ain't got no stain."?
With all of those definitions, the only one that seems to apply to our former coach is definition #4. But that makes "He ain't got no stain" nonsensical.
camden - I understand your point about setting an example, but I think moderators ought to be able to post like everyone else, for the most part, as long as it doesn't get out of hand - and to do so, while still moderating against egregious posts. Tough line to walk, though.
you forgot to add how bad of a line coach Flood was in coaching and recruiting talent during the Schiano years..
I don't think he was the only one responsible for the mess that year as stated and clearly he gets a lot of credit for the good years beforehand.
Yeah, except to do that and then remove posts/ban posters when they give it right back is basically the opposite of what a moderator is for. So, you know, one way or the other. If you're going to have mods talking sh$t unprovoked, they probably shouldn't ban posts/posters regularly.
Knight Shift likes your idea because he cries to mods pretty often and needs them on his side.
IMHO, while there were other factors like the move to spread, etc, I would say Flood was mostly responsible for the bad o-line play during 2009-2010 of the Schiano years. Most would agree the best lines RU had were 2005-2008, right? And Flood generally got credit for those lines. Here's the thing, those kids were already here, Flood did not recruit them. However, Flood's nurturing/teaching style, the positive reinforcement approach was exactly what was needed to get those kids to reach their potential. So yes, Flood should deservedly get credit for the great line play during those years. However, he did not recruit most of those guys.
Identifying linemen talent from HS was not Flood's strong suite. He focused on quick and agile feet as his main criteria. If you noticed, o-linemen in 2010 (worse year) got pushed around by opposing teams. This was why we moved guys like Lowery and Civil from the D-Line - strong guys - at least stronger than the o-line guys. This issue of our O-linemen getting pushed around has been an on going issue since Flood has been here and is now being corrected by Blaze. This is why I am expecting our o-line play to be much improved this year. Of course - this is all just opinion.
I understand what you're saying, but I thought in this case Spanky got on the wrong side of the line by referring to a a poster with a scatalogical term.
Oh, don't worry -- I know there is! But I think being a moderator imposes a special burden on you not to play tit-for-tat. Beside, you're funny enough that I'm sure you can think of a better way to put him down!
What is the history, DJ SpankMe ?
I'd venture to say that you cannot explain it. As a matter of fact, I double dog dare you to explain it here, ha !
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