The ACLU has lost it's damn mind

[Brushy Bill]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/a...onal-because-trump-created-it/article/2622474

"We have an order on its face," Niemeyer said, pressing Jadwat about the hypothetical scenario. "We can read this order and we have no antecedent statements by a candidate about this order. We have a candidate who won the presidency, some candidate, president, other than President Trump won the presidency and then chose to issue this particular order with whatever counsel he took. … He issued this executive order. Do I understand that just in that circumstance the executive order should be honored?"

"Yes, your honor, I think in that case it could be constitutional," Jadwat answered.

What the hell is this ********. We don't like Trump so therefore this EO is unconstitutional.:chairshot:

 

[atlkvb]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/a...onal-because-trump-created-it/article/2622474

"We have an order on its face," Niemeyer said, pressing Jadwat about the hypothetical scenario. "We can read this order and we have no antecedent statements by a candidate about this order. We have a candidate who won the presidency, some candidate, president, other than President Trump won the presidency and then chose to issue this particular order with whatever counsel he took. … He issued this executive order. Do I understand that just in that circumstance the executive order should be honored?"

"Yes, your honor, I think in that case it could be constitutional," Jadwat answered.

What the hell is this ********. We don't like Trump so therefore this EO is unconstitutional.:chairshot:

The headline in your post suggests a previous state of mind among them that many observers would seriously question ever really existed?

I have my doubts, especially after reading your post.

Do these sound like sane people?

Highly questionable.

 

[TarHeelEer]

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/a...onal-because-trump-created-it/article/2622474

"We have an order on its face," Niemeyer said, pressing Jadwat about the hypothetical scenario. "We can read this order and we have no antecedent statements by a candidate about this order. We have a candidate who won the presidency, some candidate, president, other than President Trump won the presidency and then chose to issue this particular order with whatever counsel he took. … He issued this executive order. Do I understand that just in that circumstance the executive order should be honored?"

"Yes, your honor, I think in that case it could be constitutional," Jadwat answered.

What the hell is this ********. We don't like Trump so therefore this EO is unconstitutional.:chairshot:

Interesting. I brought up that same point weeks ago.

 

[Brushy Bill]

Interesting. I brought up that same point weeks ago.

The left isn't going to give up and take their lumps are they? They are going to keep pushing and pushing until the President or the right in general has had enough and punches back and then they are going to cry foul like the gaping ***'s they are at the unfairness of it all.

 

[atlkvb]

The left isn't going to give up and take their lumps are they? They are going to keep pushing and pushing until the President or the right in general has had enough and punches back and then they are going to cry foul like the gaping ***'s they are at the unfairness of it all.

They create and exist in a world in which they are victims of the imperfections they believe interrupt the utopia they've envisioned as a right of inheritance for themselves which counters the reality of the failed ideology they are simply unable to accept.

 

[Brushy Bill]

They create and exist in a world in which they are victims of the imperfections they believe interrupt the utopia they've envisioned as a right of inheritance for themselves which counters the reality of the failed ideology they are simply unable to accept.

Knowing that fact doesn't make them any less annoying to deal with though.

 

[atlkvb]

Knowing that fact doesn't make them any less annoying to deal with though.

True.

Our fate on the Right constantly having to deal with them, their burden carrying around and living a total lie.

 

[Brushy Bill]

True.

Our fate on the Right constantly having to deal with them, their burden carrying around and living a total lie.

But is it a burden when they don't realize they are living a lie? I used to feel empathy and sympathy for their struggle, but lately I feel nothing but contempt.

 

[atlkvb]

But is it a burden when they don't realize they are living a lie? I used to feel empathy and sympathy for their struggle, but lately I feel nothing but contempt.

They know it's a lie, but they don't have the guts to admit it. Why do you think they changed their name from "Liberals" to "Progressives"?

They know their ideology doesn't work, so they try to change the name thinking folks won't see it as it really is. They never admit they're Socialists, but they refuse to criticize it.(Socialism)

Why?

They know there is no such thing as " man-made global warming" but rather than admit it's a hoax, they try to switch the terms of the debate and call it "climate change" and if you don't believe in "climate change" (which no one doesn't) they then call you a "climate denier"...as if we on the Right don't believe we have a climate that changes?

They are very clever with this, because they know whoever controls the language controls the terms of the debate.

So we argue "racism" as anything being anti-Left. Oppose Obama? Racist.

"Women's health" is a substitute for infanticide. Oppose Abortion? Anti-woman's health or against "choice".

Oppose man made Global warming to which there is no truth or proof? Well then you're just a "climate denier" against "climate change".

You see how they do this? They know their ideology doesn't work calling it what it is, so they change the name and accuse you of being against what they know isn't true.

Nice.

 

[Brushy Bill]

They know it's a lie, but they don't have the guts to admit it. Why do you think they changed their name from "Liberals" to "Progressives"?

They know their ideology doesn't work, so they try to change the name thinking folks won't see it as it really is. They never admit they're Socialists, but they refuse to criticize it.(Socialism)

Why?

They know there is no such thing as "global warming" but rather than admit it's a hoax, they try to switch the terms of the debate and call it "climate change" and if you don't believe in "climate change" (which no one doesn't) they then call you a "climate denier"...as if we on the Right don't believe we have a climate that changes?

They are very clever with this, because they know whoever controls the language controls the terms of the debate.

So we argue "racism" as anything being anti-Left. Oppose Obama? Racist.

"Women's health" is a substitute for infanticide. Oppose Abortion? Anti-woman's health or against "choice".

Oppose man made Global warming to which there is no truth or proof? Well then you're just a "climate denier" against "climate change".

You see how they do this? They know their ideology doesn't work calling it what it is, so they change the name and accuse you of being against what they know isn't true.

Nice.

I agree with you when it comes to the boomers and genXers, but these fkng millenials in my experience are true believers and there are a **** ton of them.

 

[atlkvb]

I agree with you when it comes to the boomers and genXers, but these fkng millenials in my experience are true believers and there are a **** ton of them.

You're probably right they don't actually believe they're living a lie, but I insist they still can't be honest with what they actually do believe.

So if they know being honest about their true beliefs gets them into trouble, they must instinctively know something is wrong with it.

They just are so politically correct they can't be honest and even tell themselves the Truth much less admit someone else may be correct about how wrong they are or what they believe in is.

It's like denying the world they've convinced themselves is reality, as I suggested in post # 5 of this thread.

 

[Brushy Bill]

You're probably right they don't actually believe they're living a lie, but I insist they still can't be honest with what they actually do believe.

So if they know being honest about their true beliefs gets them into trouble, they must instinctively know something is wrong with it.

They just are so politically correct they can't be honest and even tell themselves the Truth much less admit someone else may be correct about how wrong they are or what they believe in is.

It's like denying the world they've convinced themselves is reality, as I suggested in post # 5 of this thread.

Fair enough.

 

[atlkvb]

I agree with you when it comes to the boomers and genXers, but these fkng millenials in my experience are true believers and there are a **** ton of them.

I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about Brushy my Man.

The Left knows Hillary didn't lose that election because of Russians. They know she screwed up on her own, and they also know her message was crap because it doesn't work.

But rather than admit that, they blame Russians, Trump misogyny, resistance to her "intellect", anti-Obama racism....anything to deny the fact that they know she and her message were a total loser!

They know this about Leftist redistributionist ideology also. They simply can't admit it, because they've been trained to believe that Government control over our lives cannot possibly be wrong as long as the right people are in control of it.

The poor and starving North Korean people know their system doesn't work, but does anyone have the guts to admit it? The American Left is under the same duress, not for fear of their physical lives being taken like the North Korean people, but fear of loss of their political viability. So they argue for more Government control.

But they don't want that control over them, just everyone else, so they can feel good about themselves by not being against making everyone else think like they've been trained to think.

Lobotomized mind control. Nothing's real. It's all make believe. Man is in control and there is nothing else that matters. Just like "Dear Leader" in Pyong dumb North Korea.

 

[dave]

I agree with you when it comes to the boomers and genXers, but these fkng millenials in my experience are true believers and there are a **** ton of them.

They will be the first to die when it all breaks down and their youth makes them better food.

 

[atlkvb]

They will be the first to die when it all breaks down and their youth makes them better food.

The Koreans have found Dogs to be a tasty substitute for the time being. Why don't Leftists tout that Socialist experiment gone horribly bad?

Government runs everything over there, yet you hardly hear a peep from the Left in support of it or praising it.

Same with China. Arguably a better run Socialist utopia, but still not much bragging from the Left over it.

Wonder why not?

 

[atlkvb]

I would add to the examples in this thread Argentina, Cuba, Vietnam, Venezuela, and a host of other sub Saharan African nations who have also miserably cast their lot with this discredited ideology.

If you're a glutton for punishment, throw in Eastern Europe and the entire former Soviet Block as well as Mother Russia itself (the country the Left loves to hate currently)

What is the common thread running through all of those Socialist experiments at Man-centered Government controlled utopia besides the Left's refusal to defend them?

Abject failure.

History has spoken on this philosophically bankrupt construct designed by flawed humans to ostensibly correct our inherent flaws. Only problem is it doesn't work. We are what we are.

The Left refuses to admit that, insisting it (Socialism) has yet to be implemented in it's purest form by enlightened American Socialists, but the results I promise would still be the same. Their marginal attempts implementing it here are also rife with abject failure.

We could fill a 200 page thread explaining all the ways why it hasn't worked and doesn't work, but my examples in this post and the Left's near universal inability to intelligently defend any of them will suffice for now.

Do yourselves a favor and follow the example of most of the Left, and stay away from defending or embracing Socialist big Government control and income redistribution run by central planners.

 

[Boomboom521]

I saw the right take such a valiant and respectful position over the last 8 years under Obama. There wasn't right influenced media posting false stories about Obama trying to undermine his legitimacy as President. There wasn't "grass roots" movements, supported and funded by businesses and individuals with large political stakes, attempting to sway public opinion on Obama's policies and actions. People were not on social media sites attempting to bash EVERY move Obama made as detrimental to America. All media covered him balanced and fair, and the right simply sat folded hands in lap waiting their turn for a voice.

Am I right?

 

[bamaEER]

I saw the right take such a valiant and respectful position over the last 8 years under Obama. There wasn't right influenced media posting false stories about Obama trying to undermine his legitimacy as President. There wasn't "grass roots" movements, supported and funded by businesses and individuals with large political stakes, attempting to sway public opinion on Obama's policies and actions. People were not on social media sites attempting to bash EVERY move Obama made as detrimental to America. All media covered him balanced and fair, and the right simply sat folded hands in lap waiting their turn for a voice.

Am I right?

LOL...classic.

 

[atlkvb]

I saw the right take such a valiant and respectful position over the last 8 years under Obama. There wasn't right influenced media posting false stories about Obama trying to undermine his legitimacy as President. There wasn't "grass roots" movements, supported and funded by businesses and individuals with large political stakes, attempting to sway public opinion on Obama's policies and actions. People were not on social media sites attempting to bash EVERY move Obama made as detrimental to America. All media covered him balanced and fair, and the right simply sat folded hands in lap waiting their turn for a voice.

Am I right?

There was very little critical analysis of his policy positions from the Left leaning main news Media. Not to the extent they are almost universally opposed to Trump's proposals.

Right now, the AHCA is being raked over hot coals for it's "refusal to allow pre existing conditions" according to most reports in the main news media. It is portrayed as wildly unpopular.

Were the claims being made by Obama and the Dems about the ACA ever questioned or critically challenged by these same scribes?

No!

All of the criticisms of it's predictive failure and blatant lies came from alternative media and know what boom?

They turned out be 100% correct.

 

[bamaEER]

There was very little critical analysis of his policy positions from the Left leaning main news Media. Not to the extent they are almost universally opposed to Trump's proposals.

Right now, the AHCA is being raked over hot coals for it's "refusal to allow pre existing conditions" according to most reports in the main news media. It is portrayed as wildly unpopular.

Were the claims being made by Obama and the Dems about the ACA ever questioned or critically challenged by these same scribes?

No!

All of the criticisms of it's predictive failure and blatant lies came from alternative media and know what boom?

They turned out be 100% correct.

Something about a birth certificate.

 

[Mntneer]

I saw the right take such a valiant and respectful position over the last 8 years under Obama. There wasn't right influenced media posting false stories about Obama trying to undermine his legitimacy as President. There wasn't "grass roots" movements, supported and funded by businesses and individuals with large political stakes, attempting to sway public opinion on Obama's policies and actions. People were not on social media sites attempting to bash EVERY move Obama made as detrimental to America. All media covered him balanced and fair, and the right simply sat folded hands in lap waiting their turn for a voice.

Am I right?

Did the right stage walkout, sit-in, grab pink ***** hats and hit the streets holding pointless signs?

The far right acted like loons for the past 8 years, but their numbers are minuscule compared the number of loons on the left and how they are now acting.

 

[Brushy Bill]

I saw the right take such a valiant and respectful position over the last 8 years under Obama. There wasn't right influenced media posting false stories about Obama trying to undermine his legitimacy as President. There wasn't "grass roots" movements, supported and funded by businesses and individuals with large political stakes, attempting to sway public opinion on Obama's policies and actions. People were not on social media sites attempting to bash EVERY move Obama made as detrimental to America. All media covered him balanced and fair, and the right simply sat folded hands in lap waiting their turn for a voice.

Am I right?

You didn't see us in the street burning **** and intimidating people, did you. And Fox vs everyone else. [eyeroll]

 

[Boomboom521]

Did the right stage walkout, sit-in, grab pink ***** hats and hit the streets holding pointless signs?

The far right acted like loons for the past 8 years, but their numbers are minuscule compared the number of loons on the left and how they are now acting.

Can't fault the left's style

 

[Brushy Bill]

Can't fault the left's style

Yes...you...can!

 

[bamaEER]

You didn't see us in the street burning **** and intimidating people, did you. And Fox vs everyone else. [eyeroll]

Don't forget about Breitbart and the Blaze. One of my fav conspiracy stories from the Blaze was how the Boston bombers were Saudi and Obama helped them escape after the bombing.

 

[Brushy Bill]

Don't forget about Breitbart and the Blaze. One of my fav conspiracy stories from the Blaze was how the Boston bombers were Saudi and Obama helped them escape after the bombing.

Almost as good as the "if you like your Dr you can keep him" ******** peddled by EVERYONE else.

 

[atlkvb]

Something about a birth certificate.

That was a story legitimately questioned on the Right and ultimately not completely answered by Obama, but in my opinion it was a moot point once it was determined his Mother was indeed an American citizen (Ted Cruz scenario)

That being said, most of the criticism of Obama on policy came from unambiguous media sources self proclaimed on the Right.

There was no hiding behind a pretense of their "objectivity" they were specifically opposed to him on the opposite side the political spectrum and indeed their audiences knew that going in.

Contrast that open philosophical opposition to Obama to how the main news media handled him vs the way they now treat Trump. These are the supposed vanguards of 'objectivity' correct?

They don't "choose sides" in their coverage, or present slanted or biased views right?

Just the "facts"?

So where is the near universal opposition to the AHCA they routinely report on? Is there no support for this proposed legislation? The Republicans who voted for it are all in opposition to their constituents, who in fact favored leaving the ACA as is?

They (Republicans) are all about to get fired because they passed this legislation, which ironically most of them promised to do as a condition of their election? That's the case according to most media accounts I've heard.

The legislation restricts people with existing health conditions from obtaining coverage? That's accurate, unbiased, fact based reporting from the main News media? That's what they are dutifully reporting.

They have accurately reported on the massive cost increases and losses of coverage among folks signed up for the ACA?

There is no "death spiral" ongoing as a result of that legislation? They're reporting this routinely with the same fervor they're reporting on the unpopularity of the proposed AHCA?

What News are you watching?

 

[Boomboom521]

You didn't see us in the street burning **** and intimidating people, did you. And Fox vs everyone else. [eyeroll]

Yeah, the tea party NEVER got violent did they?

 

[Boomboom521]

Yes...you...can!

Awwwww..." I recon I don't like how dem damn long haired crazy people be actin"...guess you're just an expert on proper behavior?

 

[bamaEER]

Almost as good as the "if you like your Dr you can keep him" ******** peddled by EVERYONE else.

I think the 'if you like your Dr' will be negated by 'AHCA will be cheaper, better, and cover more people than Obamacare'.

 

[Boomboom521]

I think the 'if you like your Dr' will be negated by 'AHCA will be cheaper, better, and cover more people than Obamacare'.

Can't fight the right's ability to secure a great soundbite. A skill that develops from peddling to morons, which they've been doing for decades now.

 

[bamaEER]

Yeah, the tea party NEVER got violent did they?

LOL...these guys have selective memories.

 

[PriddyBoy]

I saw the right take such a valiant and respectful position over the last 8 years under Obama. There wasn't right influenced media posting false stories about Obama trying to undermine his legitimacy as President. There wasn't "grass roots" movements, supported and funded by businesses and individuals with large political stakes, attempting to sway public opinion on Obama's policies and actions. People were not on social media sites attempting to bash EVERY move Obama made as detrimental to America. All media covered him balanced and fair, and the right simply sat folded hands in lap waiting their turn for a voice.

Am I right?

The Media wasn't nearly as upset as the American people who saw him almost empty Guitmo returning many terrorist to the battle field. Trading terrorists for one traitor, letting Americans get killed in Libya and blaming it on a video, allowing access to be sold through Hillary and her illegal server, paying ransoms, giving the #1 sponsor of terror 150 billion so they can aid in the slaughter of half a million Syrians and counting and ultimately nuke Israel, etc.,etc. And finishing with a bunch of FUs as he went out the door. Of course that shenanigans got some coverage. His best work by far was a government healthcare program destined to fail and yet we'll never get that toothpaste back in the horse, so now were stuck with it. Now the MSM is 24/7 covering the picayune of the Trump administration. This leaves the left and its media in the unenviable position of hoping for failure of an economy that's ready to bust wide open. When that happens, Democrats are going to ask "That was our plan, sit around, obstruct and *****?" Nice plan, soooo American.

 

[Mntneer]

Yeah, the tea party NEVER got violent did they?

Not like the left. No.

It's a trait of the left. Go back to the Bush years.... same ****... different President.

 

[atlkvb]

LOL...these guys have selective memories.

I'll admit to that bamaEER. So can you link me to a few stories of Tea Party violence and destruction of property similar to the more recent examples of Left wing anarchy I'd be happy to link you to so we can compare who's been more violent?

Go ahead you start.

 

[TN EER]

The headline in your post suggests a previous state of mind among them that many observers would seriously question ever really existed?

I have my doubts, especially after reading your post.

Do these sound like sane people?

Highly questionable.

File them with the horse and bggy. Rename it the unemplayed lawyers union and close shop. Time to move on.

 

[PriddyBoy]

Can't fault the left's style

Stylish. Black is slimming.

 

[Brushy Bill]

cheaper, better

And yet, it isn't.

 

[Brushy Bill]

I'll admit to that bamaEER. So can you link me to a few stories of Tea Party violence and destruction of property similar to the more recent examples of Left wing anarchy I'd be happy to link you to so we can compare who's been more violent?

Go ahead you start.

crickets
[laughing]

 

[WVU82_rivals]