The 2019 Class

[SoFL Husker]

I believe we are recruiting him as a NT. Plenty of money to be made as a 3-4 NT, just aske Harrison Phillips.

He's a must-get IMO. Local kid with oodles of talent at DT.

 

[dinglefritz]

It’s cool. I just don’t like the terms dominant and dominance. People confuse that with shut outs and 100 yards per game in total offense allowed.

The flip side of that argument is that some of Tom's teams scored quickly and often and yet the defense still could pitch shutouts. Yes we had greater time of possession maybe because we always huddled, but we had a lot of quick TD drives at times.

 

[oldjar07]

The flip side of that argument is that some of Tom's teams scored quickly and often and yet the defense still could pitch shutouts. Yes we had greater time of possession maybe because we always huddled, but we had a lot of quick TD drives at times.

Yes I feel like people want to use other metrics like ypp to measure our defense instead of the traditional total defense and scoring defense that are the most common metrics to compare different defenses. However our defense isn't good by any measure. Using other metrics to try to put a positive light on it doesn't change the fact that our defense was very poor last year and is going to take a lot of work to get better.

 

[SOCALHSKR]

This years class is sitting at 16 and looks to be a top 20 class (when removing Bland). Which seems like a pretty solid class when we are coming off back-to-back 4-8 seasons. If you go off of average star rating, we are sitting at 20 (and would most likely drop when Bland is removed).

We ended up third in the conference and first in the division. And based of average star ranking fourth in the conference and first in the division. When you dive into our divisional rivals classes, we look really good. This has been historically the case in the B10, but hopefully Frost can actually develop the talent.

Nebraska has (10) 4*, Purdue and Wisconsin both have (6). Iowa (1), Illinois (2), Minnesota (2), Northwestern (0). But the classes really separate when you look at 5.7 rated players. Nebraska (9), Purdue (2), Wisconsin (4), Iowa (3), Minnesota (3), Northwestern (1), Illinois (3).

So Nebraska has nearly double the 4 star players of the nearest best divisional class and two to three times the 5.7 three stars. That is a big separation, IMO.

Also, when you look at the offer lists of the 'lower' ranked prospects (5.6 and below), every single Nebraska signee holds another P5 offer. Purdue had (7) signees that did not hold another P5 offer, Wisconsin had (4), Iowa (7) and Minnesota (5) (I didn't do NW or IL)

What would you grade this class?

I think a B+ overall is fair. The offensive recruiting was closer to an A. And the defensive recruiting was closer to a B-.

For offense there is is hard to find a position to complain about. Got a good QB, a lot of solid RBs, speedy WRs, a big TE, offensive tackles. Actual, honest to God offensive tackles. And not just one one them. A handful of them. When is the last time we've had that?

The only complaint would be the lack of a bigger WR? Or missing out on Bland?

For the defense, it is easier to find some complaints. No immediate impact for rush OLB. Lack of true CB bodies. No true HS nose tackle (maybe Piper grows into that role?). Still high end talent. Pola-Gates, Robinson, Henrich, Hannah are all big time gets.

One thing I really liked about this class is when it looked like there may be a handful of guys coming after the early signing period and a lack of room left in the class, it was hard to find a signee that I wished didn't sign to make room for another higher rated prospect. For a class of 26, that is a great sign.

Greta that is one ugly picture. Is it a relative or just a put down on all womanhood?

 

[Headcard]

Yes I feel like people want to use other metrics like ypp to measure our defense instead of the traditional total defense and scoring defense that are the most common metrics to compare different defenses. However our defense isn't good by any measure. Using other metrics to try to put a positive light on it doesn't change the fact that our defense was very poor last year and is going to take a lot of work to get better.

I don’t think that is the purpose of using metrics like ppp and ypp. It’s just trying to use the best and most accurate metrics. Kind of like batting average and ERA in baseball, yes they are traditionally used, but we have much better metrics now to measure hitters and pitchers.

 

[huskerssalts]

This class was a step in the right direction. Landed double-digit 4* kids, got in on and closed on a few elite targets such as NPG, Wandale, Ty Robinson.

Hell of a class at RB. Zero-drama QB recruiting cycle. I won't make any big prognostications about McCaffrey because you just don't know what you'll get with QBs until they've played in several real games, but he's athletic and smart, and looks improved as a passer.

Bodies. In. The. Trenches. You'd love some CB and some OLB but they are loading up on guys to get the job done up front, and that's where teams are made or broken at the end of the day. They're building DL depth to counter teams like Wisconsin and Iowa who are going to bang it at you all day and see if you don't break in the second half.

They also need the OL to be able to run that piggy when it gets windy and sloppy in November and the weather is not conducive to 45 pass attempts.

Really like what they did in the face of a very frustrating season. To pull a class like this at 4-8 speaks to their ability to sell a vision of the future. That said, they need to keep selling and take the next step up.

Still looking way up at PSU, OSU and UM in recruiting. That gap needs to close, winning the West and then hoping to jump up and get a talent-rich East team in the CCG is not a program philosophy Frost will be content with. That division will cannibalize itself, they can't all three win the division every year.

This will be a very young team next year. Hopefully they can put it on some teams and show improvement in the W-L column to keep the momentum going in the right direction.

https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2019/all-teams/football

I get what you mean and I agree, your probably talking overall the past several years and NOT just this but we did beat OSUcks in recruiting this year by several spots.

 

[oldjar07]

I don’t think that is the purpose of using metrics like ppp and ypp? It’s just trying to use the best and most accurate metrics. Kind of like batting average and ERA in baseball, yes they are traditionally used, but we have much better metrics now to measure hitters and pitchers.

And even if we use that we were still a really bad defense last year.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

The flip side of that argument is that some of Tom's teams scored quickly and often and yet the defense still could pitch shutouts. Yes we had greater time of possession maybe because we always huddled, but we had a lot of quick TD drives at times.

Cool, not at all the point. Scoring a quick TD on occasion is not the same as running no huddle and throwing the ball 47% of the time. The number of times Frost's teams throw the ball per game as compared to Osborne's teams is another factor. Even if you complete 60% of your passes, you are still stopping the clock an enormous amount of times, per year, voluntarily. Osborne's teams averaged about, what 17-18 attempts per game? Frost's teams averaged almost twice the amount. It all adds up to more opportunites for the other team to get the ball.

I don't have time tonight, but I would be curious to know how many times Nebraska 1973-1997 shut out teams that had a winning record or teams that were ranked.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

https://n.rivals.com/team_rankings/2019/all-teams/football

I get what you mean and I agree, your probably talking overall the past several years and NOT just this but we did beat OSUcks in recruiting this year by several spots.

I suppose. But if you look at just the number of 5 and 4 star players, they had more than we did (11-10). The only reason we are ranked higher is because we had more players in the class, and our 17 3-star players gave us points that their six 3-star players gave them.

 

[Headcard]

And even if we use that we were still a really bad defense last year.

I don’t think a single person has said otherwise.

 

[cubsker_rivals142943]

This is a big year for chin. If we are still getting torched in year 2, the heat will really be on SF to make a change if results aren't noticeably better the first part of season 3.

 

[GretnaShawn]

Greta that is one ugly picture. Is it a relative or just a put down on all womanhood?

Put down? The big ole girl is good luck.

 

[timnsun]

This is a big year for chin. If we are still getting torched in year 2, the heat will really be on SF to make a change if results aren't noticeably better the first part of season 3.

So Frost and Co. dont get more time than Riley? I disagree.

The fans may want to see a change, but I don’t see Frost on the hot seat if he doesn’t fire Chin in year 3, no matter what.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

So Frost and Co. dont get more time than Riley? I disagree.

The fans may want to see a change, but I don’t see Frost on the hot seat if he doesn’t fire Chin in year 3, no matter what.

I think he is saying that there will be heat on Frost to make a change at DC, not necessarily on Frost himself. If Nebraska is still ranked in the 90's in total defense again next year, I could see the natives getting restless, and looking for heads to roll.

 

[timnsun]

I can agree that the natives would be restless, but would Frost be forced to fire Chin? I just don’t see it happening. Just my opinion.

 

[oldjar07]

Cool, not at all the point. Scoring a quick TD on occasion is not the same as running no huddle and throwing the ball 47% of the time. The number of times Frost's teams throw the ball per game as compared to Osborne's teams is another factor. Even if you complete 60% of your passes, you are still stopping the clock an enormous amount of times, per year, voluntarily. Osborne's teams averaged about, what 17-18 attempts per game? Frost's teams averaged almost twice the amount. It all adds up to more opportunites for the other team to get the ball.

I don't have time tonight, but I would be curious to know how many times Nebraska 1973-1997 shut out teams that had a winning record or teams that were ranked.

It's incredibly hard to shut out any team, let alone a ranked team. Since 2000, we've only had shutouts in 03, 06, and 09. In the Osborne years we were averaging about 1 shutout a year and sometimes we had 2.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

It's incredibly hard to shut out any team, let alone a ranked team. Since 2000, we've only had shutouts in 03, 06, and 09. In the Osborne years we were averaging about 1 shutout a year and sometimes we had 2.

Which is why I said I would like to know how many there were.

 

[dinglefritz]

This is a big year for chin. If we are still getting torched in year 2, the heat will really be on SF to make a change if results aren't noticeably better the first part of season 3.

Even if we're giving up points, as long as we're winning I think most people will excuse the defense. I don't think anybody's expecting miracles after so many years of defensive futility.

 

[Trumplestiltskin]

Put down? The big ole girl is good luck.

SoCal is one that probably screams "misogynist!" while sitting in a titty bar posting pictures of yoga pants.