Take notes cal
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Meh, Kelvin Sampson is 67 years old and Calipari likewise has a ridiculous contract that forever eliminates the potential for Sampson to ever be the head coach at UK. But I would like to play along with your analysis. Please remind me how many of Calipari's wins were vacated both at UMass and Memphis? [I know, "it's never been proven Calipari was responsible."]
Agreed. Toppin is trying to develop his NBA range....
Hang on. It's coming. Cal will abandon everything and start forcing the ball into Big O or put Big O and Wheeler/Wallace in pick and roll with Toppin flashing to the top of the key for an open 17 foot jumper if the defense collapses on Big O.
The end of the 3 point shots is on the horizon. We are about to grind, baby. GRIND!!
At least Livingston plays within the team, Wheeler has been shooting when open. I can handle that if it’s a good shot. I agree with Sampson but you can’t never shoot.
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My point was he cheated and got caught. He was under close watch at the time so that shows stupidity on his part by ignoring the rules of the time. Still wouldn't want him as our coach. Did you bother to read all the other points in the two posts which were very valid or just pick out one you could argue on?
You answered your own question, kinda. Don't think he vacated any wins at UMASS and you know as well as anyone both cases were violations by players and had nothing to do with Cal. You really think Cal had someone take tests for a recruit or give jewelry to an agent to pass on to Camby? Besides, Camby even admitted Cal had nothing to do with it and pleaded guilty to the whole thing. Sampson blatantly ignored rules he was already under watch for, big difference. But you and the other poster pick one item from all the things listed by two posters to try to argue with. Still don't want Sampson ever as our coach. I also stated in my post that I'm not real happy with Cal right now but my point was that Sampson is not the solution. But, you just hate Cal, obviously, and will attack a poster(s) who are just giving some actual facts.
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I remember these types of discussions surrounding Tubby and Joker P. when they began to slide...
There were always folks who were ahead of the curve recognizing mediocrity -- and they were constantly attacked on this site....
Folks who recognized it when it was obvious to everyone...
Then folks who never came around....
There were always folks who were ahead of the curve recognizing mediocrity -- and they were constantly attacked on this site....
Folks who recognized it when it was obvious to everyone...
Then folks who never came around....
I have always been against the Calipari hire, for reasons that should be patently obvious. I continue to wish Calipari would go away [and it appears more and more are joining], but Santa has yet to deliver on that request.
For sake of ease on the topic of vacated UMass wins, Wikipedia has this to say: "The 1990s were the defining decade for UMass basketball. Calipari helped the Minutemen become A-10 Tournament Champs five consecutive times (1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996), and appeared in the NCAA Tournament seven times, including two appearances in the Elite Eight (1995, 1996) and a Final Four appearance (1996), the only appearance ever for the Minutemen. However, NCAA sanctions stripped the Minutemen of their 1996 NCAA Tournament victories. "
While I am among the few on this, to me the 2012 national championship hasn't been worth the negative changes Calipari has brought upon UK basketball. His players-first culture at the expense of team success, countless one-and-done mercenaries who have no interest in building a championship team or earning a degree from UK, snake oil salesmanship, toxic rhetoric that winning a championship is not a team goal, etc. And no, we don't live in fairytale land - there is no way to "give back" the 2012 championship in exchange for Calipari's departure.
Maybe Mr. Claus delivers this offseason...
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Can’t even recall the last year I enjoyed watching us play… we’ve been a next year away from being a great team for a while now. Next years team is now supposed to be the one..
Do you think the Cal Cult will ever come around? They can go with the Tubby fans and follow him at Midmajor Tech State.
That sounds just like what happened with Will Levis. Got talked up so much in the preseason that he couldn't live up to those expectations regardless of injuries. He has never been and never will be a first round pick from what I have seen and if someone drafts him that high it will end up costing them their job. Same goes for Toppin if he gets talked up to a high draft pick.
Ownage. Who you're describing is someone who looks at data and cannot do analysis to make the data meaningful. Facts are like data, useless without context. Unfortunately, most people are this way; they do not possess the wherewithal to see the big picture beyond their narrow minded thinking. It's like looking at a final score, and drawing conclusions solely based on the score, or looking at the free-throw count to determine whether a team "got the refs". So dumb.
I respect Sampson and how he runs his program but if he's true to his word, why does anyone on his team ever take a shot then? I mean they have had some brick tossing MF'ers play and attempt shots that wouldn't even sniff a lineup on any other team. It's CBB, you aren't going to have perfect players.
Now if you gave me the choice of Sampson or Cal, I'd take Sampson because I think his goal is to win games and focus on the job he's doing and not be seen as a life coach for everyone he comes across.
We've reached a point in CBB where my largest beef with Sampson's quote is why don't you have anyone on the staff who can help with player development/improve the mechanics of your players? That's part of the job IMO. I can take any player and improve their shot as a HS coach. It isn't easy. It's not going to improve if they are prevented from shooting in a game either. You have what you can get but you better be willing to invest time and of all the things that can be worked on with anyone who is tall/short, fast/slow, etc..it's skill development. A player can improve his ball handling and shooting on his own and with work/reps. For instance, one thing that many fans have noticed about CJ Fredrick through the opening 6 games is he's not following through on his release--he's flicking the ball up--wrist popping back--that means you aren't finishing the shot. Watch when he hits/misses and you'll see mechanical differences.
Where I think Kelvin is 100% correct is if you don't have guys who can help players in this area, you best not screw them up by encouraging shots. By the time you reach CBB, you should know if you are a playmaker or play finisher. Where Cal mixes his personal beliefs with sport is this **** isn't a democracy or social movement-it's a monarchy. Spreading shots around is only good when you have a lot of gusy who can play. But his way of coaching far too often ends up with Quade Green deciding a season instead of SGA, Knox, PJ, etc.....or has a guy like PJ bricking FT's because he's deficient in that area and teams will foul him.
Also it's on the players in this era who often only put in work when there are people to hold their hands and be with them 100% of the time. With YouTube--they can find ball handling drills, shooting drills but they need to have their "recording crew" there for any workout-**** I think some of these guys have someone there to spray water on them to make them appear they've lived in gym. Cal's right about "falling back to training" but too often that means someone who faked putting in work is caught up realizing lip service/lies didn't help and should've put up shots. I mean EJ Montgomery literally was quoted during Covid saying "I can't find a Hoop" but entered the NBA Draft thinking he would do that for a living. Said example is happening far too often across the sport in general.
Now if you gave me the choice of Sampson or Cal, I'd take Sampson because I think his goal is to win games and focus on the job he's doing and not be seen as a life coach for everyone he comes across.
We've reached a point in CBB where my largest beef with Sampson's quote is why don't you have anyone on the staff who can help with player development/improve the mechanics of your players? That's part of the job IMO. I can take any player and improve their shot as a HS coach. It isn't easy. It's not going to improve if they are prevented from shooting in a game either. You have what you can get but you better be willing to invest time and of all the things that can be worked on with anyone who is tall/short, fast/slow, etc..it's skill development. A player can improve his ball handling and shooting on his own and with work/reps. For instance, one thing that many fans have noticed about CJ Fredrick through the opening 6 games is he's not following through on his release--he's flicking the ball up--wrist popping back--that means you aren't finishing the shot. Watch when he hits/misses and you'll see mechanical differences.
Where I think Kelvin is 100% correct is if you don't have guys who can help players in this area, you best not screw them up by encouraging shots. By the time you reach CBB, you should know if you are a playmaker or play finisher. Where Cal mixes his personal beliefs with sport is this **** isn't a democracy or social movement-it's a monarchy. Spreading shots around is only good when you have a lot of gusy who can play. But his way of coaching far too often ends up with Quade Green deciding a season instead of SGA, Knox, PJ, etc.....or has a guy like PJ bricking FT's because he's deficient in that area and teams will foul him.
Also it's on the players in this era who often only put in work when there are people to hold their hands and be with them 100% of the time. With YouTube--they can find ball handling drills, shooting drills but they need to have their "recording crew" there for any workout-**** I think some of these guys have someone there to spray water on them to make them appear they've lived in gym. Cal's right about "falling back to training" but too often that means someone who faked putting in work is caught up realizing lip service/lies didn't help and should've put up shots. I mean EJ Montgomery literally was quoted during Covid saying "I can't find a Hoop" but entered the NBA Draft thinking he would do that for a living. Said example is happening far too often across the sport in general.