Swing Pass - Interesting Info
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Having better blocking, whether through having bigger wide outs, or, just better blocking will help.
Also, having more deep threats will really help here.
Seeing your chart reminds me of the old days when we did throw, it worked because the D was looking for the run. In this case, it's both run and short pass,sideline pass.
Get some guys that can take the top off a D effectively with consistency, the D alignment and reactions will change.
Also, having more deep threats will really help here.
Seeing your chart reminds me of the old days when we did throw, it worked because the D was looking for the run. In this case, it's both run and short pass,sideline pass.
Get some guys that can take the top off a D effectively with consistency, the D alignment and reactions will change.
This chart has to be since he has been at Nebraska because he was a lot better at throwing seem passes his freshman year and was Horrendous last year..
If I see one more horizontal pass to a slow, lumbering TE, I will lose it. What the hell
is the point. It reminds me of when Watson kept calling the option play with Lee as QB. It was painfully obvious after one effort, that it would never work, and yet he kept going back to it.
is the point. It reminds me of when Watson kept calling the option play with Lee as QB. It was painfully obvious after one effort, that it would never work, and yet he kept going back to it.
Martinez threw 83 passes at or behind the line of scrimmage but completed only 75% of them (you should be at 85% or above on these extended handoffs), and while he had some brilliant moments up the seam and on deep balls in general, throwing intermediate passes to the sidelines -- something any successful quarterback has to do at some point -- was a massive struggle. On passes thrown (a) outside the hash marks and (b) zero to 20 yards downfield, Martinez completed just 51% with two touchdowns to six interceptions.
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Was that last year alone, or,did he do better year one?
Personnel if year one. Even O line blocking and snaps play a part in this.
Other teams do it all the time. If AM did it year one, it's likely a combo of the above,plus just getting a D leaning one way,as in deep.
I do know several of those passes were 'dropped' as the receiver saw the coverage. And that was usually after they knew the blocking wasn't there. And they were hammered for loss.
Yea.
It needs to improve, but it isn't all AM by any means.
If you think about it, our previous qb has an nfl arm, not head,but arm, yet he threw pick sixes time after time.
So, its not a processing problem, but a possible no block problem. AM doesn't have the strongest arm, but rarely are the plays anticipated so early to have them picked.
the swing passes can improve, sure, but it's the intermediate stuff that's really alarming IMO.
last year, whether due to injury, lack of size outside, lack of ability to process, lack of timing, lack of arm strength or anything else, the area 5-20 yards downfield outside the hashes was simply a black hole for the offense.
you can't sustain success in the passing game without even moderate success in those areas.
Thing is, we need to put safeties in more conflict, make them respect deep.
Also, make them watch the TE, is the TE in on a short pass, or is he going deep,same formations?
Is our wrs blocking their guy? Is the safety spacing poorly because of the deep ball, is he holding back for the TE seam?
All these things need to click, plus a healthier more effective run game.
If we see blocks, threats deep, better O line run play, the outside opens up nicely.
Look at lsus deep threat. It worked,the safeties dared to stay up. We get that, those safeties are in conflict.
Look at the difference not having Ziggy, an experienced O line and Stan.
It's when Warner got his playing time as a frosh.
Look at the difference not having Ziggy, an experienced O line and Stan.
It's when Warner got his playing time as a frosh.
I think a large part of it was a lack of trust in the QB. Some of the INTs down the field were just awful, awful decisions. One was late in the 1st half vs iowa. One was against purdue.
I really don't think so. Everyone gets pissed about the swing passes, but those are usually a read to keep the Defense honest/play to a numbers advantage.
agree it wasn't a trust issue, but I do think a large majority of those plays are called in the huddle and not reads.
they're an extension of the run game and since we couldn't get that facet going much the staff needed to lean on any seemingly high-percentage play they could. fans, of course, will only remember the bad outcomes, but 3/4 were completed and more gained yards than didn't.
a more efficient & effective run game will solve a lot for this offense moving forward.
Quarterback play must improve or it will be another long and disappointing season.
oh it will improve, if Martinez can’t do then McCaffrey will. We now have a number of QBs that can step in if one isn’t delivering. Either Martinez or McCaffrey will rock it next year. And yes, a lot of those swing passes where a read option pass. Depending how the Defense reacts leads to which WR you go too. Martinez just made some horrible choices.
Having WRs like Omar Manning, Z Betts and some of our redshirted freshmen WRs ought to help a lot. It will make the safeties and CBs actually honor the WR more and that killed us last year. Teams where not worried about the medium or deep passes. Having that threat will give DBs fits.
Not to mention the progress of the Oline and D Mills. We ended up being 3rd ranked rushing team in the BIG 10 (just behind OSU and Wisconsin)...all this will add up and help our QB.
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3rd, but our yds per attempt stunk. Finished 5th there, even behind the twerps
no clue, all I’m paying attention to is we average 203 rushing yards per game and the next team below us PSU average 190 yards per game. I’m not going to try and find away to knock it down or nitpick it. That’s progress when we could run the ball worth a crap to start the year.
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i looked it up.
OSU averaged 5.6 yards per carry
Wisconsin was 5.4 yards per carry
PSU and Maryland both averaged 4.8 per carry Huskers had 4.5 per carry.
That’s not exactly a huge a difference there. All the other teams had 4.1 and in the 3s per carry (including Teams like Michigan, Iowa, MSU, Minnesota and so on).
then there’s D Mills averaging 5.2 yards per carry and Martinez was at 4.4 yards per carry I believe (sacks killed his stats)
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IMO, competition breeds excellence. We have to young QB's who really want this job. AM, will need to pick up his game.
We get to the twerps level, its 225.
I think we get around five even, thats why the plus
Maryland didn’t average 225 yards rushing a game. They average 169 yards rushing per game. Huskers was 3rd in the BIG 10 at 203 yards per game. Only Wisconsin and OSU Buckeyes a head of us.
simply put, our rushing offense was far from bad last year...it was actually good to finish the season and it should only get better next season. Our run game isn’t the issue. But I completely agree our QB play and WR needs to improve and should.
https://bigten.org/confstats.aspx/2019-20/fb/confldrs?path=football#indiv
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the run game was absolutely an issue. it was very inconsistent.
NU ran for 238 vs no illinois, 357 @ illinois, 220 vs indiana, 277 vs wisconsin and 305 @ maryland
only one of those is against a ranked team (wisc), and in that game NU was outrushed.
when they needed it most, the rush offense underperformed, and this was felt most in short-yardage and goal line situations.
one of, if not the #,1 biggest issues in our goal-to-go struggles was due to inconsistencies in the run game.
Who was he throwing to? Seems his most talented players were going down the seams...not so much to the flats...we forget how void we were of playmakers for most of the season.
I’d like to see the same chart including number of attempts vs completions to help interpret the proportionate ratio for each ‘zone’.
Either way, the low % areas are sad.
Assuming most of those are skewed due to fewer targets, same goes for the deep balls that were minimal.
Defenses don’t have to respect big swaths of field seeing those % as they indicate the zone doesn’t get targeted much and when targeted, not very successful.
We need to balance the targets with scheme, reads, playmakers to help keep defenses honest and truly spread the field.
Either way, the low % areas are sad.
Assuming most of those are skewed due to fewer targets, same goes for the deep balls that were minimal.
Defenses don’t have to respect big swaths of field seeing those % as they indicate the zone doesn’t get targeted much and when targeted, not very successful.
We need to balance the targets with scheme, reads, playmakers to help keep defenses honest and truly spread the field.
I was using yds per carry, we do what the twerps did, we will be at 225 yds a game averaging the same number of carries of last year.
In other words, I expect our effectiveness to be around 10% better this year.
I believe most is of us will all agree the beginning of the season our run game was off. It was the last half of the season when our run game came together. Struggled early on, yes we sure did. Run better the second half of the year, yes we did. Tale of two different teams.
Regardless we still averaged 203 rushing yards per game (3rd in the BIG 10) at 4.5 yards per carry (4th in the BIG 10). The stats don’t lie. And I expect to see us continue to get better this next season with every OLinemen back (plus addition of Benhart) and we return D Mills.
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http://www.cfbstats.com/2019/leader/827/team/offense/split01/category01/sort02.html
We were 5th in yds per carry. Also, Mills took the same amount of time to get it that
Ziggy did the year before. We need two guys to get it too. The line should come out ready,deep and hungry.
The line learned they can pound the rock, but suffered with sideline passing some, but will be better this year at that as well.
Getting next level, they were still learning to get a hat on someone.
We were 5th in yds per carry. Also, Mills took the same amount of time to get it that
Ziggy did the year before. We need two guys to get it too. The line should come out ready,deep and hungry.
The line learned they can pound the rock, but suffered with sideline passing some, but will be better this year at that as well.
Getting next level, they were still learning to get a hat on someone.
agreed there, that it did. And bro Two teams tied at 3rd place with 4.8 per carry above us (Maryland and PSU), so we technically was ranked 4th. OSU 1st, Wisconsin 2nd, PSU/Maryland 3rd and Huskers 4th (and it was only 0.3 yard difference anyways). But we are on the same page. We have to improve that passing area and I am going out on limb and guessing we will with Omar Manning and some of those guys helping out at WR and A Martinez having surgery and hopefully back to his old self (crossing fingers).
Sorry but I’ll go off of the BIG 10 conference site for stats over that site you posted...
https://bigten.org/confstats.aspx/2019-20/fb/confldrs?path=football#indiv
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Thats cool, that link is just using rounding.
But I think we get 10% with poor passing, more with better passing.
What I'm wondering is, if the pass game improves, will our run pass ratio change?
Last year was one of the most pro run ratios weve had since Frank.
Bo has a couple teams beat it, but more with a lower percentage.