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It's going to be way more than that, and it isn't done in Sweden either. When it's cold and they are all back inside things will get tough again. All of Europe knows what's coming. They are much more realistic about this thing than we are. It's glorious there now. They are all on vacation and outside. It's why we always like to go to Northern Europe in the summer. There is nothing better than eating really good food outside in fabulous weather.
It took 10 seconds on Google.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-immunity-strategy-could-improved/3142761001/
Thanks. But I read and searched the article and never saw the word "mistake" ever used or implied. In fact he denied the Swedish strategy was wrong.
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In the article he did say he would do some things differently because there is always room for improvement. But never in this article did he ever say he made a mistake as you've claimed continually.
It wasn't a mistake but he would do it differently if he had a do over. Ok it wasn't a mistake, my bad.
Only you and Andrew cuomo can be perfect all the time.
It’s burning itself out everywhere 15-20 actual percent of people have had it
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Hey, I'm not trying to get into an argument. But I believe you're taking something he said, and perhaps repackaging it to be a bit different.
You claimed he said he made a mistake, yes? Yet here in the article you shared he denied the strategy (the one you said was his mistake) was wrong. I'm just looking at his words you shared with me. And perhaps he's doing damage control with his
I'm not trying to jump into a debate. I'll let it go after this. And I do think this is a more serious situation than a whole lot of people care to admit or recognize. And I also think it's not as serious as many make it out to be. I guess I'm in the middle....not a lot of us here in the middle it seems.
Sorry you've had people close to you suffer with it. And I hope we're all able to make wise decisions as the fall approaches.
Like I said, he would do it differently but it wasn't a mistake. Tate Reeves would lone him.
Are people arguing against herd immunity?
I see some repeating what credible sources say- that we dont know if immunity exists/for how long. That isnt arguing against herd immunity.
I see some saying that herd immunity is a goal and that it needs to come slowly to not overwhelm the healthcare system since thst would be reckless. That too isn't arguing against herd immunity.
Also, who is hiding in their houses right now? People all around me are out and about running errands, getting ice cream, and living life. Based on this board, the same is true for other regions of the country. Beaches are open, restaurants are open, youth sports are being played, etc etc etc.
You also mention a continuous lockdown. What exactly is a lockdown to you? I haven't seen it happen yet. In some parts of the country over 4 months ago, people were asked to shelter in place except for running necessary errands, exercising, or working. You have a goofy view of what a continuous lockdown is.
And they are a lot different than us. How many Blacks live there? How many Asians live there? How many Latinos live there? How many Native Americans live there? We are the most diverse country in the world. We are made up 50 different states with their own constitutions. It's like 50 mini nations tied in together with thier own laws. I am really getting tired of the comparison between us and other countries. What works anywhere else will not work here. We are also the most free and independent thinking people in the world. They might be use to Mask mandates but not here. It's view as infringement to our rights. Telling me who I can have or how many I can have at my house is viewed as infringement to my rights. You start telling me I can't go to church I get pissed off. They like Okaaay. There is no other country in the world like us. Yes we fight and argue but when one of those other countries freaks with us, we end up united and kicking their asses.
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In response to the bold sentences, since we can't be compared to other countries and what works there won't work here, that means sweden's approach won't work here and it neednt be discussed further.
This is excellent news.
GloryDawg hath spoken and all shall follow. Im happy this has been put to rest.
...if only it were this easy to put it to rest.
It worked because they are done and the death rate will be the same as ours in the long run because it's not going to stop until it runs through the population. This pie in the sky idea that we are going to stop this before we reach herd immunity the way they basically have is causing a ton of problems that are completely avoidable.
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Actually those estimates of % to reach herd immunity may be much lower. In fact, way lower in sparsely populated areas such as rural MS. Larger cities may need to get to 70% but not rural areas where people have fewer contacts.
By some models effective immunity can happen as low as 40% of the population in many areas. It's not saying there won't still be outbreaks, they will be just easier to contain won't overwhelm the system. You will need to continue to protect people with weakened immune systems until we get a vaccine but the threat of a large outbreak would be gone. I will see if I can find that link, it was few weeks ago but it was a legit source.
The equation for Herd immunity = 1-1/r0. r0 being the average number of people infected by each newly infected person. Obviously r0 has been extremely variable based on outside factors, both within and outside of our control. It increases during an outbreak and decreases as the outbreak comes under control.
It's a variable that gets complex when broken down into subsets. A lot of the early herd immunity assumptions were based on the speed of increase in cases showing a high r0 during the initial outbreak. A number that seems to be naturally coming to heel @ around 20% actual infections worldwide. Also fair to acknowledge that herd immunity is also a curve. If the r0 is held somewhat constant, you increase in case load to halfway there, then it's a slow decrease to near nothing.
It's a variable that gets complex when broken down into subsets. A lot of the early herd immunity assumptions were based on the speed of increase in cases showing a high r0 during the initial outbreak. A number that seems to be naturally coming to heel @ around 20% actual infections worldwide. Also fair to acknowledge that herd immunity is also a curve. If the r0 is held somewhat constant, you increase in case load to halfway there, then it's a slow decrease to near nothing.
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You can't give it up. He didn't say he would do things differently. Point out where he said he would do things differently. "We believe our strategy is good...there is always room for improvement." Both of those are true in his mind and does NOT suggest he would do everything different, but might do some things a little different. We HAVE to open schools and stop the lockdown and focus on protecting the vulnerable (elderly and those with co-morbidities). You are going to kill more people with lockdowns. Suicide, drug overdose, and alcohol deaths are skyrocketing.
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Not to mention we are already starting to see avoidable deaths or terminal diagnoses because of delays in treatment. Met with one of my experts and he is already seeing a lot of metastatic cancers that can't be treated now, that may have been treatable if they were caught in April. Same thing with heart disease and people not getting screened for blockages dying of heart attacks. We've had 4 heart attacks in the news here in Jackson in people under 48 with two in their 30s just this weekend. [/FONT][SUB][SUP]<strike>
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Not to mention we are already starting to see avoidable deaths or terminal diagnoses because of delays in treatment. Met with one of my experts and he is already seeing a lot of metastatic cancers that can't be treated now, that may have been treatable if they were caught in April. Same thing with heart disease and people not getting screened for blockages dying of heart attacks. We've had 4 heart attacks in the news here in Jackson in people under 48 with two in their 30s just this weekend. [/FONT][SUB][SUP]<strike>
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