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campshelbydog842003

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A while back when the resident coronabros were on here bragging about beating Sweden in the first quarter of covid and it was apparent to everyone that there is no stopping this, all we heard was how terrible their plan was. It worked and now they are just about done with this and we are still over here bleeding our country dry.
 
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Leeshouldveflanked said:
Herd Immunity.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_death_rates_by_country

It "worked" ? Deaths per 100,000:

Sweden - 56.4
Denmark - 10.6
Finland - 6.0
Norway - 4.8

I mean, sure, theoretically Sweden might not have any more deaths and their neighbors could trickle up and eventually pass them, but it's such a long way to go that it's incredibly unlikely that they'll even get close.

Even America would need to have 184,000 deaths to reach Sweden's level. Hopefully we don't get there.
 
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Leeshouldveflanked said:
Herd Immunity.
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Please do not listen to me, or anybody else on the board. This information comes directly from the Mayo Clinic, I hope we can all agree that is a pretty respected source.

“However, there are some major problems with relying on community infection to create herd immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19. First, it isn't yet clear if infection with the COVID-19 virus makes a person immune to future infection”.

“ Even if infection with the COVID-19 virus creates long-lasting immunity, a large number of people would have to become infected to reach the herd immunity threshold. Experts estimate that in the U.S., 70% of the population — more than 200 million people — would have to recover from COVID-19 to halt the epidemic. If many people become sick with COVID-19 at once, the health care system could quickly become overwhelmed. This amount of infection could also lead to serious complications and millions of deaths, especially among older people and those who have chronic conditions“.

So maybe they reached herd immunity in Sweden, but this is not something that can happen in the U.S. without 200 million becoming infected, with millions dead. Again please do not believe me, please listen to what one of the, if not the most, highly respected hospitals and their doctors are saying about this.
 
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Chris Mannix said:
Please do not listen to me, or anybody else on the board. This information comes directly from the Mayo Clinic, I hope we can all agree that is a pretty respected source.

“However, there are some major problems with relying on community infection to create herd immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19. First, it isn't yet clear if infection with the COVID-19 virus makes a person immune to future infection”.

“ Even if infection with the COVID-19 virus creates long-lasting immunity, a large number of people would have to become infected to reach the herd immunity threshold. Experts estimate that in the U.S., 70% of the population — more than 200 million people — would have to recover from COVID-19 to halt the epidemic. If many people become sick with COVID-19 at once, the health care system could quickly become overwhelmed. This amount of infection could also lead to serious complications and millions of deaths, especially among older people and those who have chronic conditions“.

So maybe they reached herd immunity in Sweden, but this is not something that can happen in the U.S. without 200 million becoming infected, with millions dead. Again please do not believe me, please listen to what one of the, if not the most, highly respected hospitals and their doctors are saying about this.
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He has been told this repeatedly. That is what he wants evidently.
 
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campshelbydog842003 said:
A while back when the resident coronabros were on here bragging about beating Sweden in the first quarter of covid and it was apparent to everyone that there is no stopping this, all we heard was how terrible their plan was. It worked and now they are just about done with this and we are still over here bleeding our country dry.
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Yeah, it worked so well that the guy who came up with it is under investigation. Even he says it was a mistake.
 
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campshelbydog842003 said:
A while back when the resident coronabros were on here bragging about beating Sweden in the first quarter of covid and it was apparent to everyone that there is no stopping this, all we heard was how terrible their plan was. It worked and now they are just about done with this and we are still over here bleeding our country dry.
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What is a coronabro?
 
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Chris Mannix said:
Please do not listen to me, or anybody else on the board. This information comes directly from the Mayo Clinic, I hope we can all agree that is a pretty respected source.

“However, there are some major problems with relying on community infection to create herd immunity to the virus that causes COVID-19. First, it isn't yet clear if infection with the COVID-19 virus makes a person immune to future infection”.

“ Even if infection with the COVID-19 virus creates long-lasting immunity, a large number of people would have to become infected to reach the herd immunity threshold. Experts estimate that in the U.S., 70% of the population — more than 200 million people — would have to recover from COVID-19 to halt the epidemic. If many people become sick with COVID-19 at once, the health care system could quickly become overwhelmed. This amount of infection could also lead to serious complications and millions of deaths, especially among older people and those who have chronic conditions“.

So maybe they reached herd immunity in Sweden, but this is not something that can happen in the U.S. without 200 million becoming infected, with millions dead. Again please do not believe me, please listen to what one of the, if not the most, highly respected hospitals and their doctors are saying about this.
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Could be much lower than 70%. In fact, most have that as the upper range.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/614035/?client=safari
 
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L4Dawg said:
Yeah, it worked so well that the guy who came up with it is under investigation. Even he says it was a mistake.
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I wanna see where he said that. I thought he said it was a mistake to not protect the vulnerable more, not the overall plan.
 
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Interesting you bring this up

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Let's see what happens when they all get back from the country the end of this month.
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I work for a large multi-national company. I needed to connect a 3rd party with some contacts of mine in Sweden. Their work group consists of about 15 folks based in Scandinavia. All but two of them had their out of office set for a MONTH LONG vacation. Amazing. They just bail this time of year. I guess I would too if it were dark and cold half the year, but your comment did make me wonder "where do these folks travel to and is it helping their virus spread?" Maybe they are traveling out of country? Maybe they are spreading out in the countryside ? I dunno. Would like to know though....
 
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I honestly don’t understand why people are arguing against herd immunity. We can’t keep hiding in our houses forever. That’s unsustainable. As someone mentioned on this board the other day, there’s no such thing as a free lunch. Someone has to create value, someone has to do all the things society needs to function. We simply cannot afford to go into infinite debt to finance a continuous lockdown for the rest of our lives. The only way to way to get over this virus is to eventually reach heard immunity, whether that comes from natural infection or vaccine. The cost may be great if it comes through natural infection, but that is something we are going to have to face just as our ancestors did if a vaccine doesn’t come quickly.

And if the virus doesn’t provide long enough immunity, I don’t see how a vaccine would either.
 
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I believe it was pointed out a couple of weeks ago by someone else (with links) that what L4 said was taken out of context. Good luck searching for it.
 
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There is no way herd immunity is reached at 70% infected. That is way too high of an estimate. Maybe if you count all the people with built in T cell immunity who come in contact and never know about it.

But if we are waiting for 70% of the population to get this virus and recover from it before we can all start to live our lives again, we might as well just shut the country down for the next decade.
 
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L4Dawg said:
He has been told this repeatedly. That is what he wants evidently.
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Lee is super consistent. He’s also been repeating no vaccine anytime soon despite multiple reports that it’s highly likely the vaccine is ready by Q1 2021.
 
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L4Dawg said:
Yeah, it worked so well that the guy who came up with it is under investigation. Even he says it was a mistake.
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I know you've mentioned this before a few times. Can you please share an article where the guy who came up with this says his plan was a mistake. I'm interested to read up on it. Thanks, L4.
 
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Walter White said:
I know you've mentioned this before a few times. Can you please share an article where the guy who came up with this says his plan was a mistake. I'm interested to read up on it. Thanks, L4.
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He told L4 directly through text message**
 
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EngDawg said:
I honestly don’t understand why people are arguing against herd immunity. We can’t keep hiding in our houses forever. That’s unsustainable. As someone mentioned on this board the other day, there’s no such thing as a free lunch. Someone has to create value, someone has to do all the things society needs to function. We simply cannot afford to go into infinite debt to finance a continuous lockdown for the rest of our lives. The only way to way to get over this virus is to eventually reach heard immunity, whether that comes from natural infection or vaccine. The cost may be great if it comes through natural infection, but that is something we are going to have to face just as our ancestors did if a vaccine doesn’t come quickly.

And if the virus doesn’t provide long enough immunity, I don’t see how a vaccine would either.
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Because a crap load of people have to die or get sick to get to herd immunity. It's just not ethical. And we don't even know when we'd reach some level of herd immunity. 50%? Full herd immunity is 90%, but there is no way we're getting that without everyone taking a vaccine. But like you said, who knows how good the vaccine will even be.

The cost of herd immunity would be great. Are you willing to personally pay that cost? Are you willing to personally die, get very ill, or incur hospital bills? Are you willing to offer your family up to do those things? Because that's what you're asking of other people.
 
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Basically L4 will always have some sort theory that will lead everyone back to his narrative.

Here is the interview with their top guy. He admits the things they did wrong and is asked about the lack of social distancing and masks. A lot of really good questions, but I guess the interviewer forgot to ask about how summer homes play into it.
https://youtu.be/xh9wso6bEAc


Forget the fact the numbers were dropping well before school was out. Down to 40 total in ICU now.

https://www.icuregswe.org/en/data--results/covid-19-in-swedish-intensive-care/

Good grief.. maybe it won’t work here or maybe it will, but this continued attempt to avoid acknowledging that it very well may be working in Sweden based on the “Summer Home” theory is does noting to bolster your case.
 
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We have no business comparing our outcomes to Sweden or any other Scandinavian outcomes. Swedes are in much better overall health and far more ethnically homogeneous. The people having the worst outcomes with this virus are obese with high blood pressure or other cardiovascular compromises. In addition certain demographics within our country, demographics that do not exist in Sweden, are having disproportionately worse outcomes due to their disproportionate prevalence of comorbidities. Our populations are too different to compare. It’s meaningless to draw any conclusions by comparing the two.
 
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AnonymousUser said:
We have no business comparing our outcomes to Sweden or any other Scandinavian outcomes. Swedes are in much better overall health and far more ethnically homogeneous. The people having the worst outcomes with this virus are obese with high blood pressure or other cardiovascular compromises. In addition certain demographics within our country, demographics that do not exist in Sweden, have having disproportionately worse outcomes due to their disproportionate prevalence of comorbidities.
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You talking about Mississippi?!?
 
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msstate7 said:
Could be much lower than 70%. In fact, most have that as the upper range.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theatlantic.com/amp/article/614035/?client=safari
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I have also read where it could be much lower, I just wanted to post something that is not just some guy talking like most of the stuff on here, no offense to anyone. I figure I will listen to what Mayo says, they seem to be a pretty credible source. I was also trying to make the point that to get to herd immunity means a huge amount more dead, no matter how it is argued. I would hope that is something none of us would be ok with.
 
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Len2003 said:
The people in Sweden are a lot healthier than us.
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THIS! Those countries do not have near the obesity rate, and additional health issues associated with obesity. Nearly half our country is just fat, and not healthy. But I agree with how they went about their way of handling it. They are not in an election year ***
 
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But Tater said about 80% population infected would be necessary to achieve herd immunity. That’d translate to over 2.5M Mississippians testing positive. You know how many apeshit crazy Karen’s that would trigger?
 
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What we should have done. When they look retrospectively and see heart disease, cancer, ESRD, COPD, deaths disappear, they will realize many of these deaths aren’t COVID, there will be a distinct OH **** moment at what we have done do cripple the greatest economy ever to exist on this planet. I pray it’s not something we can’t recover from.
 
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