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etowncatfan

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That Kevin Knox can't create his own shot. He had 6 shots today. I am not bashing it is the reason he needs to come back to college again next year IMO!
 
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fatguy87

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He also doesn't really rebound or defend that well from the wing given a guy that's 6'8''.

I think we should try playing him some at the 4 so he has more mismatches he can exploit. His handle just isn't good enough to be a threat against smaller and quicker players.
 

TBCat

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Knox is good enough to go pro and will. Whether or not he's successful is still up in the air. I will state again there isn't another player on this team that should even be thinking about going into the draft unless they want a very quick end to their career. Too many basic elements of their games are just not there at all.
 

Fadhi

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Im having a hard time enjoying this season since in the back of my mind I know a lot of these kids may be jumping.
You are right. Knox cant create against college players right now. If he played stellar defense...OK. Draft him. But he is not quick enough there either.
No one is ready to jump.
Richards is the only one the NBA should touch when purely going on potential since be is 6'11" but that should still probably be in the early 2nd round.
 
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Ineverplayedthegame

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Unfortunately the CBA doesn’t allow teams to just pass when their draft position comes up. So. You will have to find 30 players to draft in each round no matter what.
 
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ZZBlueComet

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NBA only sees drafting a guy who can play down the road, they will draft potential and send it to the developmental league, we see it over and over.
 
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katwest

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If I'm Grant Williams for Tennessee and see that Kentucky's big men are considering leaving, I definitely put my name in draft.
 
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60 players have to be drafted. Most years there are going to be less than 5 guys you can go in to the draft and say "yeah, I think they can eventually be an All-Star type player." And those are the types of players you need to get to move up to the next level. You don't get there by picking a guy that might be good enough to be a role player for you right away but ultimately has very, very little chance of being an All-Star type player. All-Stars are very hard to acquire, especially if a team is not a premiere free agent destination. Role players are a hell of a lot easier to acquire.

This is why teams draft players with high potential and not NBA ready guys with role player ceilings.
 
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Our PG's need to set him up for shots better. Cal stated on the Postgame PC that the PG's have got to set their team mates up instead of shooting so many shots. That would help Knox.

But that still doesn't excuse his lack of intensity and defense in crucial times. The game turned when we cut it to 1, then Knox got the ball stolen, then gave we gave up 2 3's and an easy 2 in 56 seconds to put it back to 9. Then we played them even from that point on.

The NBA sees Knox as a player that they can develop and in 5 years he has the potential to be great. That doesn't help UK ANY. That's why playing predominantly Freshmen makes it extremely difficult to win big unless they are extraordinary. Most of ours have great "potential", but we need them to be great by the end of the season.
 
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morgousky

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He also doesn't really rebound or defend that well from the wing given a guy that's 6'8''.

I think we should try playing him some at the 4 so he has more mismatches he can exploit. His handle just isn't good enough to be a threat against smaller and quicker players.

I've thought this exact same thing for months now. He needs time to play the 4. SGA needs to go to the wing some and let Green run point.
 
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UK90

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That Kevin Knox can't create his own shot. He had 6 shots today. I am not bashing it is the reason he needs to come back to college again next year IMO!

Can you name 30 better pro prospects in this year's draft?

That's the relevant question. Having flaws in his game doesn't necessarily mean he should stay, as ALL prospects have flaws. If he's still a projected first rounder come springtime, he'll be gone. Guaranteed.
 
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TriCountyCAT

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Our PG's need to set him up for shots better. Cal stated on the Postgame PC that the PG's have got to set their team mates up instead of shooting so many shots. That would help Knox.

But that still doesn't excuse his lack of intensity and defense in crucial times. The game turned when we cut it to 1, then Knox got the ball stolen, then gave we gave up 2 3's and an easy 2 in 56 seconds to put it back to 9. Then we played them even from that point on.

The NBA sees Knox as a player that they can develop and in 5 years he has the potential to be great. That doesn't help UK ANY. That's why playing predominantly Freshmen makes it extremely difficult to win big unless they are extraordinary. Most of ours have great "potential", but we need them to be great by the end of the season.
During that crucial stretch he also tried to make up for that turnover by taking maybe the worst shot of the game. A baseline two over two defenders which led to a runout, which led to their center draining a three on us. Knox was bad today and we can’t win on the road with him.
 
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Cat8Nimble

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I've thought this exact same thing for months now. He needs time to play the 4. SGA needs to go to the wing some and let Green run point.

No no no no, this is positionless basketball remember? Kentucky doesn't recruit itself anymore. We have to rely on selling these kids on the NBA and convincing them that they are "positionless" players. Freaking hate that ********. Give me a true pass-first point guard that only shoots when he's open. A 2-guard that is a knock down shooter from all over and can handle the ball (really not concerned with how "freakishly athletic he is"), an athletic wing that can drive, defend, and keep a defense honest from the perimeter. A rim-protector type 4 man, that can bang, rebound, and play some pick and roll, and give me a big, strong, solid 5 man that takes up space in the lane and alters some shots.

I'm tired of trying to squeeze players into positions they are not. Skal as a post-up, back to the basket 5 man. Trey Lyles as a 2-guard. Bam as a 3. No. Nope. No way.
 
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etowncatfan

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Can you name 30 better pro prospects in this year's draft?

That's the relevant question. Having flaws in his game doesn't necessarily mean he should stay, as ALL prospects have flaws. If he's still a projected first rounder come springtime, he'll be gone. Guaranteed.[/QUOTE

Yes I can. I think we have that many in the SEC who are playing at the same level or better than Kevin Knox IMO. Kevin Knox isn't even the best player on UK.
 

UK90

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I'm tired of trying to squeeze players into positions they are not. Skal as a post-up, back to the basket 5 man. Trey Lyles as a 2-guard. Bam as a 3. No. Nope. No way.

I'm sorry, but when the hell did we ever play "Trey Lyles as a 2 guard" or "Bam as a 3"? Methinks you were hallucinating if you saw those things.
 

Shaudylo

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No no no no, this is positionless basketball remember? Kentucky doesn't recruit itself anymore. We have to rely on selling these kids on the NBA and convincing them that they are "positionless" players. Freaking hate that ********. Give me a true pass-first point guard that only shoots when he's open. A 2-guard that is a knock down shooter from all over and can handle the ball (really not concerned with how "freakishly athletic he is"), an athletic wing that can drive, defend, and keep a defense honest from the perimeter. A rim-protector type 4 man, that can bang, rebound, and play some pick and roll, and give me a big, strong, solid 5 man that takes up space in the lane and alters some shots.

I'm tired of trying to squeeze players into positions they are not. Skal as a post-up, back to the basket 5 man. Trey Lyles as a 2-guard. Bam as a 3. No. Nope. No way.
Lol why stop there ? Should have mentioned Cal playing De’aaron fox at the 5
 

*Fox2Monk*

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Knox is good enough to go pro and will. Whether or not he's successful is still up in the air. I will state again there isn't another player on this team that should even be thinking about going into the draft unless they want a very quick end to their career. Too many basic elements of their games are just not there at all.

Knox is the most ready but he has weaknesses that can't be taught.
 
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I'm kind of laughing because UK beat Duke for Knox in part by saying he would play the 2 when Duke wanted him to play the 4. I can see why Knox doesn't see a fit for himself as an NBA 4 but at least in college, that's where he fits best.
 

rick64

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Jan 25, 2007
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NBA has plenty of money to throw away, it doesn't bother them a bit. Rich people will make up for it buying the tickets to watch them play.

Some team will sign him to a contract. If he’s not cutting it they’ll send him down. If he doesn’t improve they’ll cut him and move on to the next hot shot rookie.
 
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Some team will sign him to a contract. If he’s not cutting it they’ll send him down. If he doesn’t improve they’ll cut him and move on to the next hot shot rookie.

This.

The way the NBA is structured, an NBA draft pick is disposable. If he doesn't pan out, that 1st contract is peanuts to a team.
 

yoshukai

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I really thought he would have a better post up game . Maybe he does who knows, cause he NEVER POSTS UP ! Even when 6'4 guys are guarding him. I was kind of expecting him to have a Trey Lyles type game .
I would kill to have a Trey Lyles on this team .
 
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Kevin Knox is just so young. Another season here for him wouldn't be a big deal. I doubt his stock would suffer. He's considered lottery now and he couldn't guard his own shadow. Patience just doesn't seem like a virtue a lot of these top players have these days. Its a shame too. Its hurting the NBA product. Too bad the NBA isn't doing anything to help these players or their brand because they bring in so much money regardless.
 
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Monroe Claxton

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The is always players from places like Starvinia that will be drafted if there is not enough American players
 

etowncatfan

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If Coach Cal is all about the kid and his family then he should brutally be truthful and tell Knox he needs to stay another year. But I know he won’t.
 

John Henry

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If Coach Cal is all about the kid and his family then he should brutally be truthful and tell Knox he needs to stay another year. But I know he won’t.
I agree he should but won't. It may hurt our brand if our highest ranked recruit comes back for a second year. We have a reputation to protect.
 

kentuckyrld

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Knox is gone as he should be. The money will be there because somebody in the NBA realizes that a man his size that has the potential to be a great outside shot cannot be passed in the draft. The NBA is all about playing on the perimeter these days and Knox has a chance to become an extraordinarily good perimeter player. His shortcomings won't matter come draft day. If he can be drafted in the first round he should take the money as fast as he can. Coming back for a second year rarely, if ever, raises a player's draft position.
 

etowncatfan

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Knox is gone as he should be. The money will be there because somebody in the NBA realizes that a man his size that has the potential to be a great outside shot cannot be passed in the draft. The NBA is all about playing on the perimeter these days and Knox has a chance to become an extraordinarily good perimeter player. His shortcomings won't matter come draft day. If he can be drafted in the first round he should take the money as fast as he can. Coming back for a second year rarely, if ever, raises a player's draft position.


Is this a Quote from Willie Cauley Stein??