They’re not people. They’re fetuses. Legally speaking, corporations are closer to people than a fetus is.
Suicides, The Deaths Not Counted
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Current laws don't apply to this debate or I lost before it started so...
But they are alive and have human DNA so I think scientifically speaking they are the same as you and i whether their domicile is a whom or house
Well, does the rental agreement state that if a kid is born in the living room the house become yours? I’m guessing it doesn’t.
The constitution says “All persons born...in the United States...are citizens of the United States.” I don’t find that to be particularly ambiguous.
I take your point. I have a hard time with the idea that a “person” who is unable to survive without being physically attached to another person’s body is in the same category of personhood as you or me. Save for conjoined twins, I suppose.
I say these things as I'm throwing stones in a glass house . I was a teenager encouraged am even younger person to evacuate a life from her. Am I sorry I did it personally ... No, I'm very successful and probably wouldn't be as so with the hindrance , but objectively was it the wrong thing to do? Absolutely. I effectively ended the life of a completly innocent person to benefit myself.
Serious question in a thread that's already lost all sanity. Hopefully one person's mind is clear enough to have a conversation.
All those deaths are horrible. Question about Covid and maybe one small difference. Do any of those other deaths have as many unknowns connected to it or the potential to increase exponentially DAILY? This is the key to getting a hold of this thing and why the number comparison is kind of meaningless right now.
I believe once we get a hold of what this actually is it can jump in line with the trivial ways people die everyday. Once we exhaust or efforts, vaccine, cures, preventative measures, etc to save people there will be an accepted amount of death associated with Covid just like everything else.
All those deaths are horrible. Question about Covid and maybe one small difference. Do any of those other deaths have as many unknowns connected to it or the potential to increase exponentially DAILY? This is the key to getting a hold of this thing and why the number comparison is kind of meaningless right now.
I believe once we get a hold of what this actually is it can jump in line with the trivial ways people die everyday. Once we exhaust or efforts, vaccine, cures, preventative measures, etc to save people there will be an accepted amount of death associated with Covid just like everything else.
Idk if your referring to our conversation but I believe that @dbjork6317 and I have had a reasonable debate. I apologize for the tard comment.
But in the end doesn't really matter
You’re right. In the future it will be like the flu - just another thing you need a vaccine for that can be deadly to those already in poor health.
I’m not smart enough to know if it would work but could a covid vaccine be added to the vaccine schedule for children? Obviously the flu vaccine changes every year so I’m not sure if a single vaccine would work for covid.
I don't even know if the exponential growth they are mentioning as possible is actually true but if it is if it were left to grow that would be ridiculous. Now I imagine and hope that they issued worse case scenarios that would never happen but to me that does make these comparisons moot. Does that make any sense?
Not in particular. Just that the thread turned into an abortion debate. I wasn't interested in that right now.
I'll dig in a bit later, but ok. At a minimum, it is stupid beyond the everyday stupid of the American Citizenry. Seriously someone here against the law somehow obligates citizens? YGTBSM!
He’s worried about the cost burden created by the aborted babies of us citizens. So, I’m sure he’s not cool with amnesty for illegals...
I’m the one saying let’s do it. It’s all you “pro-life” folks that won’t put your money on the line for your morality.
Now you’re just getting lazy and boring.
This is a ridiculous post. First, suicide rates have been increasing worldwide since 1999. A lot of this has to do with governmental reporting. So it’s going up no matter what. Second, you can’t compare US and other country suicide rates, to show that An economic downturn due to Covid is responsible. Social, triggers, stress and, again, acknowledgement varies widely. At best, you can say it’s a contributing factor, but not the sole factor. Finally, approximately 50,000 people died in the us last user due to suicide. Even with a 25% increase that you’ve pointed out, that would only be 12,500 more deaths, which is minor in comparison to the 100,000+ that will die in the US from Covid 19, even with social distancing.
So you're saying it is torture of a being that feels pain when a pregnancy is aborted in the first trimester? I don't think that's true.
Now if we are talking late term abortions, absolutely. However I don't know why people even bring those up.....unless I'm wrong they are illegal in every state. You can only get an abortion in the first 12 weeks, no?
So let’s make murder legal. Dude you are one stupid ****.
Those are worldwide numbers and 25% is an enormous increase. That’s 12,000 a month! Face it you got the facts you didn’t want. The economic disaster will be around long after Covid-19 is but a memory. Do yourself a favor and call a therapist tomorrow. Ask them how it’s going. Then reply
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I’m sooo scared Mr Internet tough guy. You’re so
All internet bitches please exit this thread. Thanks to Dork murder is legal
Can someone please send this thread to the Round Table?
Threads like these are making this board unbearable.
Threads like these are making this board unbearable.
Thank God @Cris_Ard has the good sense not to hire a raging, liberal, unable to control he/she/it’s emotions, lunatic like yourself to write for this site.
You do know that poor people can’t afford abortions right. They just go ahead and have them so they can get extra government help.
Ah, so killing the baby as long as it’s still attached to the umbilical chord is fine with you? Got it.
60 Minutes, which has become unbearable lately had one story on the mental toll the shutdown is causing. Also, had a great story on the Greek Orthodox Church near the twin towers that got destroyed on 9/11 and how they are trying to build a memorial for it as well. Great story on Easter.
On the issue of suicide......
I am uneducated about many aspects of suicide. I suspect a huge percentage of suicides are driven by some sort of odd brain chemistry that leads to depression and a sense of worthlessness. I hope that medical science can make some progress on such mental conditions. I have read that suicides seem to have a genetic basis as the problem runs in families.
I'm not at all sure you can 'think' yourself into a state of mind that prevents depression and suicide, but I suspect that a good attitude and positive expectations are helpful. We are all valuable. We are all worthwhile. Never give up. Never ever give up.
It's not much, but it is all I got. I have 3 kids and when they were growing up, I thought about their states of mind, their sense of being valued and the importance of living through whatever life brings. So far so good, but as I said earlier, I think suicides the sign of a brain sickness we do not yet understand.
I am uneducated about many aspects of suicide. I suspect a huge percentage of suicides are driven by some sort of odd brain chemistry that leads to depression and a sense of worthlessness. I hope that medical science can make some progress on such mental conditions. I have read that suicides seem to have a genetic basis as the problem runs in families.
I'm not at all sure you can 'think' yourself into a state of mind that prevents depression and suicide, but I suspect that a good attitude and positive expectations are helpful. We are all valuable. We are all worthwhile. Never give up. Never ever give up.
It's not much, but it is all I got. I have 3 kids and when they were growing up, I thought about their states of mind, their sense of being valued and the importance of living through whatever life brings. So far so good, but as I said earlier, I think suicides the sign of a brain sickness we do not yet understand.