Student loan forgiveness....

[dannyford]

CRT is a fake controversy the Right has bastardized to mean anything that makes them feel uncomfortable. Thank goodness for MAGA patriots like Kristi Noem, who will stamp it out in South Dakota, where no one even knows what it means.

You're absolutely right, the CRT curriculum specific to academic legal theory in higher education isn't being taught in K-12 but components of CRT certainly are. Much like "assault weapons", the devil is in the definition of CRT. The claim from the left is that things like equity and anti-bias aren't tenets of higher ed CRT so what's finding it's way into K-12 can't be defined as CRT.........smoke and mirrors.

Here is a good example of a VA dept of ed website with all of the talk tracks:

https://theskepticaleducator.wordpr...f-education-critical-race-theory-crt-website/

Here is a list of what's banned by state on the NAACP's website. You'll note that teaching history specific to slavery, racism etc isn't listed as things that are banned but teaching unproven, theoretical constructs around things like white privilege are banned and as they should be.

https://www.naacpldf.org/critical-race-theory-faq/

 

[dpic73]

You're absolutely right, the CRT curriculum specific to academic legal theory in higher education isn't being taught in K-12 but components of CRT certainly are. Much like "assault weapons", the devil is in the definition of CRT. The claim from the left is that things like equity and anti-bias aren't tenets of higher ed CRT so what's finding it's way into K-12 can't be defined as CRT.........smoke and mirrors.

Here is a good example of a VA dept of ed website with all of the talk tracks:

https://theskepticaleducator.wordpr...f-education-critical-race-theory-crt-website/

Here is a list of what's banned by state on the NAACP's website. You'll note that teaching history specific to slavery, racism etc isn't listed as things that are banned but teaching unproven, theoretical constructs around things like white privilege are banned and as they should be.

https://www.naacpldf.org/critical-race-theory-faq/

So again, you're trying to define what CRT is by claiming anything being taught that has a sliver of things that make you uncomfortable shouldn't be taught. How sad and backwards it is to erase the history/experience of one kid to protect another, which implies that only one kid matters. But who cares as long as it helps you inflame the populace and helps you win elections, right?

 

[Willence]

CRT is a fake controversy the Right has bastardized to mean anything that makes them feel uncomfortable. Thank goodness for MAGA patriots like Kristi Noem, who will stamp it out in South Dakota, where no one even knows what it means.

Curious... why do you constantly put out so many false narratives? Why do you play on words to try and push forward your point as some intellectually superior and informed being here? You're like Biden in the sense that he keeps going around bragging about reducing the deficit by more than any President in history. The origin of that point, of course, is the most spending in history which was almost entirely emergency spending. To take credit for that is just so disingenuous and dishonest. Why do it? It's undermines your credibility. You so seldom make an actual principled argument. You just seem to want to throw barbs and walk right up to the edge of calling people racist. You'll insult them and ridicule them in some way so that your perceived (to yourself) superiority is evident. That's your call of course but it's a bad one.

 

[dannyford]

So again, you're trying to define what CRT is by claiming anything being taught that has a sliver of things that make you uncomfortable shouldn't be taught. How sad and backwards it is to erase the history/experience of one kid to protect another, which implies that only one kid matters. But who cares as long as it helps you inflame the populace and helps you win elections, right?

But you can't refute those things are being taught in classrooms can you? So your response is to try to belittle me or insinuate that I'm a bigot.

I have a duty to my children to ensure they are provided with the best possible education I can give them and I would prefer that math, english, science etc are prioritized over progressive theory constructs with no factual evidence of viability. So if certain candidates are going to ensure the school systems return to teaching the core and not trying to ensure equitable outcomes, then I guess I'll vote in that direction.

 

[dpic73]

Curious... why do you constantly put out so many false narratives? Why do you play on words to try and push forward your point as some intellectually superior and informed being here? You're like Biden in the sense that he keeps going around bragging about reducing the deficit by more than any President in history. The origin of that point, of course, is the most spending in history which was almost entirely emergency spending. To take credit for that is just so disingenuous and dishonest. Why do it? It's undermines your credibility. You so seldom make an actual principled argument. You just seem to want to throw barbs and walk right up to the edge of calling people racist. You'll insult them and ridicule them in some way so that your perceived (to yourself) superiority is evident. That's your call of course but it's a bad one.

The irony of you calling me out for a perceived sense of superiority is rich. What a drama queen.

Explain to me how I put out false narratives when I literally back up everything I say with articles or real life examples, like I did above with the Kristi Noem tweet? Less than 2% of the population in South Dakota is black, so do you really think teachers there are polluting young minds with the "horrors" of CRT? Hell no they aren't and you know it, you just won't admit that it's a "purely political" stunt to scare the base and give her a higher profile in MAGA land. That disgusts me.

You are totally missing the point by claiming that I'm calling you racist. That's not it at all - I'm calling out the sinister propaganda on the Right that will go to any extreme to win elections and they don't give a single **** about the fallout.

If you can't win an election fair and square, just lie and say it was stolen and make it harder to vote, make up fake controversies about groomers, pedophiles and teachers teaching your children to feel shame. The Right doesn't care who it harms as long as it serves the larger goal - it's win at all costs without concern for the metastatic poison that rhetoric spreads among the population.

I call you out because you're just as guilty of spreading these falsehoods( see your comments about liberal slaves and indoctrination). If you don't like it when I confront you, how about stop being part of the problem? Deal?

 

[dpic73]

But you can't refute those things are being taught in classrooms can you? So your response is to try to belittle me or insinuate that I'm a bigot.

I have a duty to my children to ensure they are provided with the best possible education I can give them and I would prefer that math, english, science etc are prioritized over progressive theory constructs with no factual evidence of viability. So if certain candidates are going to ensure the school systems return to teaching the core and not trying to ensure equitable outcomes, then I guess I'll vote in that direction.

See my post above, I'm not calling you a bigot - I'm calling you a partisan that has latched on to a fake culture war issue without concern for who it affects, as long as you win. Why do we get to selectively choose what part of black history we get to teach? Why don't blacks get to selectively choose what parts of white history are appropriate parts of the curriculum?

Don't forget that CRT wasn't an issue until some obscure MAGA dude on the Right heard about it and decided to weaponize it to influence elections. It landed him a spot on Tucker and blew up from there. Had that not happened, you still wouldn't have heard about it because it's a big nothing burger. But even if parts of it were being discussed in high school, why is that wrong or harmful? Have you ever heard of redlining? Are you telling me that if students hear about that practice they will somehow be harmed? It's real, it happened and it's the truth. Why is the truth so bad for young minds to hear? Why are you so AFRAID? Let's just call a spade a spade - it has nothing to do with protecting children but it has everything to do with preventing white children from having empathy with others for fear they might grow up to be Democrats.

Who cares if the reality of black student experiences are white-washed so long as your child grows up to be a good little MAGA. Black kids can just get over it because your politics take precedence.

 

[scotchtiger]

Big market selloff today as the fed indicated continued rate increases to combat inflation.

Question: How will this $500 billion executive order impact inflation? Help or hurt? Is it fiscally irresponsible to enact this policy, both from a budget/debt standpoint and inflation/economy impact?

No whataboutism. Is this good policy or not.

Sorry to interrupt the @dpic73 and @Willence slap fight, but back in the topic of this thread, anyone want to answer my questions above? Or have we just all agreed that student loan forgiveness is total BS and libs are using this thread to talk about other things they don’t like about Trump or republicans?

 

[dannyford]

See my post above, I'm not calling you a bigot - I'm calling you a partisan that has latched on to a fake culture war issue without concern for who it affects, as long as you win. Why do we get to selectively choose what part of black history we get to teach? Why don't blacks get to selectively choose what parts of white history are appropriate parts of the curriculum?

Don't forget that CRT wasn't an issue until some obscure MAGA dude on the Right heard about it and decided to use it to influence elections. It landed him a spot on Tucker and blew up from there. Had that not happened, you still wouldn't have heard about it because it's a big nothing burger. But even if parts of it were being discussed in high school, why is that wrong or harmful? Have you ever heard of redlining? Are you telling me that if students hear about that practice they will somehow be harmed? It's real, it happened and it's the truth. Why is the truth so bad for young minds to hear? Why are you so AFRAID? Let's just call a spade a spade - it has nothing to do with protecting children but it has everything to do with preventing white children from having empathy with others for fear they might grow up to be Democrats.

Who cares if the reality of black student experiences are white-washed so long as your child grows up to be a good little MAGA. Black kids can just get over it because your politics take precedence.

Stop confusing history with social justice and equity. They aren’t the same. You can’t dictate outcomes, no matter how badly you want to. Racism has declined and continues to on its own, calling a bunch of white children racist won’t move the needle. You also appear to be ignoring its not just white people speaking out against it, Asians, Indians, Blacks etc all showing up at school boards. Going to bet they all aren’t MAGA or die

Grow up to be democrats? You think that’s what this is about? And you’re calling others partisan? Goodness

You should focus more on MAGA and Trump though, clearly not at the front of your thought process at all.

 

[dannyford]

Sorry to interrupt the @dpic73 and @Willence slap fight, but back in the topic of this thread, anyone want to answer my questions above? Or have we just all agreed that student loan forgiveness is total BS and libs are using this thread to talk about other things they don’t like about Trump or republicans?

Fed is already moving to prepare for the $350b of new money that is going to hit the economy. Aggressive rate hikes coming per Powell who’s now acknowledging it’s going to get ugly.

Question is if Biden rams it though or if it gets held up in congress until after midterms before it gets dropped entirely.

 

[Jjh7]

See my post above, I'm not calling you a bigot - I'm calling you a partisan that has latched on to a fake culture war issue without concern for who it affects, as long as you win. Why do we get to selectively choose what part of black history we get to teach? Why don't blacks get to selectively choose what parts of white history are appropriate parts of the curriculum?

Don't forget that CRT wasn't an issue until some obscure MAGA dude on the Right heard about it and decided to use it to influence elections. It landed him a spot on Tucker and blew up from there. Had that not happened, you still wouldn't have heard about it because it's a big nothing burger. But even if parts of it were being discussed in high school, why is that wrong or harmful? Have you ever heard of redlining? Are you telling me that if students hear about that practice they will somehow be harmed? It's real, it happened and it's the truth. Why is the truth so bad for young minds to hear? Why are you so AFRAID? Let's just call a spade a spade - it has nothing to do with protecting children but it has everything to do with preventing white children from having empathy with others for fear they might grow up to be Democrats.

Who cares if the reality of black student experiences are white-washed so long as your child grows up to be a good little MAGA. Black kids can just get over it because your politics take precedence.

Why is it we only need to shift the perspective of history for the black experience in america and make it purely about victimization? When we talk about the egyptian empire should we focus on the experience of all of the people they conquered and enslaved? Should we talk about alexander the great as a war hungry, alcoholic, narcissist and focus on the experiences of say the people of tyre? Or a brilliant military strategist whos empire resulted in a vast expanse of the ancient world which saw trade and wealth grow across it? Should we teach about the romans from the experience of the peoples they conquered or their contributions to civilization so significant many sustain to this day? Every hegemonic power throughout history has had ugliness we look back on today as barbaric in our moral superiority. Every individual civilization, culture, and religion has done horrible things. Humans have a long history of subjugation based on cultural superiority. This country has been no different, but when you look back at history, none has come so far within its own control at addressing its wrongs. Why are you obsessed with guilting, victimizing, and castigating? Slavery, subjugation, and war are color blind and have happened everywhere. No one color or culture has a perfect record. History doesnt need a perspective, just teach it.

This is getting ahead of things anyway. Our education system is a disaster…37th in the world with what we spend on resources is deplorable. Kids cant read or do math why the hell are we reinventing the history curriculum when we cant even teach the foundation? Park this discussion until schools can achieve basic literacy.

 

[dpic73]

Sorry to interrupt the @dpic73 and @Willence slap fight, but back in the topic of this thread, anyone want to answer my questions above? Or have we just all agreed that student loan forgiveness is total BS and libs are using this thread to talk about other things they don’t like about Trump or republicans?

Pffft, you might want to read through the thread again to see who actually re-directed the conversation and who started attacking who first.

I already stated my opinion on debt relief and it aligns pretty closely with yours.

 

[dpic73]

Stop confusing history with social justice and equity. They aren’t the same. You can’t dictate outcomes, no matter how badly you want to. Racism has declined and continues to on its own, calling a bunch of white children racist won’t move the needle. You also appear to be ignoring its not just white people speaking out against it, Asians, Indians, Blacks etc all showing up at school boards. Going to bet they all aren’t MAGA or die

Grow up to be democrats? You think that’s what this is about? And you’re calling others partisan? Goodness

You should focus more on MAGA and Trump though, clearly not at the front of your thought process at all.

Now we're changing the subject? CRT is about history, hello.

Again, I didn't call anyone racist - just pointing out that you want to hide the parts of history that you don't like, and that happens to be black history.

 

[Allornothing]

See my post above, I'm not calling you a bigot - I'm calling you a partisan that has latched on to a fake culture war issue without concern for who it affects, as long as you win. Why do we get to selectively choose what part of black history we get to teach? Why don't blacks get to selectively choose what parts of white history are appropriate parts of the curriculum?

Don't forget that CRT wasn't an issue until some obscure MAGA dude on the Right heard about it and decided to weaponize it to influence elections. It landed him a spot on Tucker and blew up from there. Had that not happened, you still wouldn't have heard about it because it's a big nothing burger. But even if parts of it were being discussed in high school, why is that wrong or harmful? Have you ever heard of redlining? Are you telling me that if students hear about that practice they will somehow be harmed? It's real, it happened and it's the truth. Why is the truth so bad for young minds to hear? Why are you so AFRAID? Let's just call a spade a spade - it has nothing to do with protecting children but it has everything to do with preventing white children from having empathy with others for fear they might grow up to be Democrats.

Who cares if the reality of black student experiences are white-washed so long as your child grows up to be a good little MAGA. Black kids can just get over it because your politics take precedence.

Is why all of the statues are being torn down?

 

[REDbug8915]

It’s vote buying/ pandering. Add this to the list…race card, abortion, trans education, global warming and the best of all…Covid mandates!

 

[REDbug8915]

Curious... why do you constantly put out so many false narratives? Why do you play on words to try and push forward your point as some intellectually superior and informed being here? You're like Biden in the sense that he keeps going around bragging about reducing the deficit by more than any President in history. The origin of that point, of course, is the most spending in history which was almost entirely emergency spending. To take credit for that is just so disingenuous and dishonest. Why do it? It's undermines your credibility. You so seldom make an actual principled argument. You just seem to want to throw barbs and walk right up to the edge of calling people racist. You'll insult them and ridicule them in some way so that your perceived (to yourself) superiority is evident. That's your call of course but it's a bad one.

He’s a liberal, that’s what they do

 

[Hammerdawg.NEAR]

What a disgusting comment and it perfectly illustrates why Republicans want to keep 'em dumb.

It's not that colleges are inherently bastions of liberalism - it's that conservatives are afraid of new ideas because their ideology relies on traditional values in a very structured environment.

Liberals believe in respecting alternate values and embracing new ideas. Colleges are dedicated to exposing young minds to as many new ideas as they can hold, so the very concept of college is a liberal one.

Conservativism, at its heart, means clinging to ideas as they were in the past. As time goes on, we learn more and more new things, which means increasing knowledge naturally works against clinging to ideas as they were in the past.

I'm happy to be woke and not stuck in some fictional idea of the past. Sorry progress scares you so much. Get over it.

Hahahahaha

 

[dannyford]

Now we're changing the subject? CRT is about history, hello.

Again, I didn't call anyone racist - just pointing out that you want to hide the parts of history that you don't like, and that happens to be black history.

I didn't change the subject. Black history has been taught for decades, I don't know why you would think otherwise unless you were homeschooled the last 30 + years or chose not to participate in black history month in K-12 as another example. What you're referencing is a new way of teaching that incorporates guilt on a specific race, which is entirely wrong and breaks the entire idea of civil rights. Kids have known racism was wrong for ages just having learned about slavery.

You know what the T stands for in CRT right? Theory......you know the definition of theory is? ........"the word "theory" often means an untested hunch, or a guess without supporting evidence"

 

[dpic73]

I didn't change the subject. Black history has been taught for decades, I don't know why you would think otherwise unless you were homeschooled the last 30 + years or chose not to participate in black history month in K-12 as another example. What you're referencing is a new way of teaching that incorporates guilt on a specific race, which is entirely wrong and breaks the entire idea of civil rights. Kids have known racism was wrong for ages just having learned about slavery.

You know what the T stands for in CRT right? Theory......you know the definition of theory is? ........"the word "theory" often means an untested hunch, or a guess without supporting evidence"

EXACTLY! It's just a theory, which means it would be open for discussion and you might even conclude that it's incorrect! That's what happens in a constructive learning environment - you test the argument and everybody gets to weigh in and that helps you LEARN. It's just like science lab where you discuss a scientific theory and then test it to see if it holds up by doing experiments. Many times it doesn't but in the meantime, you learned things along the way that you didn't know.

This is all besides the point anyway because this "theory" is not being taught in K-12. For one thing it's too complex for a K-12 classroom but that hasn't stopped conservatives from trying to define anything that makes them uncomfortable as CRT. DeSantis even pulled a math textbook for teaching CRT, for example. It's a culture war the Right has decided to fight with school age children as the pawns.

Now teachers are so confused about what they can and can't say/what they can or can't teach that they're afraid to teach black history at all for fear of being attacked at the next school board meeting. It's demoralizing and humiliating to treat them that way but I'm sure it suits you just fine since little Jake Jr. will be protected from hearing uncomfortable truths that might make him a liberal, LOL.

 

[firegiver]

Sorry to interrupt the @dpic73 and @Willence slap fight, but back in the topic of this thread, anyone want to answer my questions above? Or have we just all agreed that student loan forgiveness is total BS and libs are using this thread to talk about other things they don’t like about Trump or republicans?

I would couple it with very harsh consumer protection laws to bring down prices. Corporations are happy to raise prices in coordination with their peers. Very smart of them and of we have a problem with this inflation we should do something.

 

[97ClemsonMac]

Honestly the funniest shlit on this board is when some random from the west zone peeks their head in here and says some dumb shlit, left or right

 

[Jjh7]

Hahahahaha

Unreal. Conservatives wanna keep em dumb when the entire education system is run by and filled with staunch liberals. They are certainly achieving keeping em dumb tho.

Respecting ideas? Yea except the ones they dont agree with. Those are all racist or fascist or some other ist and must be censored.

I suppose he means clinging to ideas of the past like: there are two genders, you dont need to teach 6 year olds about sex and sexuality, math isnt racist, and assigning inherent guilt or victimhood based on the color of your skin is batsht crazy…yea guess im guilty of clinging to old ideas.

They think those ideas are progress…then again these are the same people that called printing 750 billion the inflation reduction act. They incentivize electric cars with an 8k tax credit? Electric car prices go up by 8k immediately. Progress. The funniest part is the way they present themselves as the intellectual class. History will look back on them and piss themselves laughing

 

[dpic73]

Honestly the funniest shlit on this board is when some random from the west zone peeks their head in here and says some dumb shlit, left or right

Yep haha, I just ignore em. It's like, oh look, here's a conversation with a liberal in it. Perfect opportunity for me to drop a bunch of anti-lib words. That'll teach em, lol

 

[Willence]

Yeah those college campuses are really getting it done these days. They are growing minds and expanding hearts and creating a better class of people. One of the things no one wants to talk about is it on the back side of the political spectrum where no one likes to look modern leftism and Nazism intersect. The right and the left merge into this giant pool of hate. We need to start acknowledging this and fighting against it on both sides before it gets to be too late. College campuses are the Genesis point for this problem on the left.

https://www.commonsense.news/p/my-p...igrating?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

 

[dpic73]

Unreal. Conservatives wanna keep em dumb when the entire education system is run by and filled with staunch liberals. They are certainly achieving keeping em dumb tho.

Respecting ideas? Yea except the ones they dont agree with. Those are all racist or fascist or some other ist and must be censored.

I suppose he means clinging to ideas of the past like: there are two genders, you dont need to teach 6 year olds about sex and sexuality, math isnt racist, and assigning inherent guilt or victimhood based on the color of your skin is batsht crazy…yea guess im guilty of clinging to old ideas.

They think those ideas are progress…then again these are the same people that called printing 750 billion the inflation reduction act. They incentivize electric cars with an 8k tax credit? Electric car prices go up by 8k immediately. Progress. The funniest part is the way they present themselves as the intellectual class. History will look back on them and piss themselves laughing

Stupid post is stupid. You didn't read or didn't absorb a single thing I argued in this thread.

 

[WapPride]

Yeah those college campuses are really getting it done these days. They are growing minds and expanding hearts and creating a better class of people. One of the things no one wants to talk about is it on the back side of the political spectrum where no one likes to look modern leftism and Nazism intersect. The right and the left merge into this giant pool of hate. We need to start acknowledging this and fighting against it on both sides before it gets to be too late. College campuses are the Genesis point for this problem on the left.

https://www.commonsense.news/p/my-p...igrating?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

i don't really subscribe to the political horseshoe theory as it truly doesn't make much sense.

israeli support is one of those strange things in american politics where conservative christians care more about it than american jews. take from that what you will (my theory is because conservative christians by default believe in the rapture and most think it will start in Israel, but that's neither here nor there.) that being said, there is a definite balance to be made between showing support for palestinians who have been mistreated for 60+ years, and refraining from using anti semitic comments and remarks which you'll likely find when talking with 18-22 year old kids who don't know better.

i don't really have much evidence behind thinking what american jews believe beyond what my wife's 100% ashkenazi jew family has told me. i know that not all peoples experiences are the same so i don't want to use their beliefs as gospel for the entire jewish american population, but i figured i'd just share my tiny anecdotal experience.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/05/21/u-s-jews-have-widely-differing-views-on-israel/

 

[Jjh7]

Stupid post is stupid. You didn't read or didn't absorb a single thing I argued in this thread.

Those are examples of the progress the left has dreamed up. I know what ya said. Bottom line is liberals have destroyed the education system with their progress. Systematically removing all accountability by creating new classes of victim and oppressor and catering to the least common offended are not new ideas that lead to success. Claiming openness to ideas while eliminating any voice or idea that someone cracks the shts about for being offensive is not what leads to growth. Meanwhile no extreme is too ridiculous for them to sign off on if its “new” and “progressive” - see the sokal squared hoax. If youre nor familiar, 3 individuals wrote papers to mock how ridiculous academia is like “fat” about fat bodybuilding…”dildos” which pondered why men dont masturbate with anal penetration and what might happen if they did…a paper about rape culture in dog parks - this one was especially well received in academia. These were peer reviewed and published papers. So yea, academia is going backwards.

If youd like to read up on some of their other academia approved masterpieces here you go

areomagazine.com/2018/10/02/academic-grievance-studies-and-the-corruption-of-scholarship/

 

[scotchtiger]

In case you have missed it, Penn Wharton budget guidance. Some highlights:

• We estimate that President Biden’s proposed student loan debt cancellation alone will cost between $469 billion to $519 billion over the 10-year budget window
• the proposed new IDR program will cost an additional $70 billion, increasing total package costs to $605 billion
• depending on future details of the actual IDR program and concomitant behavioral changes, the IDR program could add another $450 billion or more, thereby raising total plan costs to over $1 trillion
  

This is a potential Trillion Dollar executive order. The president should not be able to spend this kind of money without congressional approval. Agree or disagree?

The Biden Student Loan Forgiveness Plan: Budgetary Costs and Distributional Impact | Penn Wharton Budget Model

President Biden’s new student loan forgiveness plan includes three major components. We estimate that debt cancellation alone will cost up to $519 billion, with about two-thirds of the benefit accruing to households making $88,000 or less. Loan forbearance will cost another $16 billion. The new...

budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu

 

[dpic73]

Those are examples of the progress the left has dreamed up. I know what ya said. Bottom line is liberals have destroyed the education system with their progress. Systematically removing all accountability by creating new classes of victim and oppressor and catering to the least common offended are not new ideas that lead to success. Claiming openness to ideas while eliminating any voice or idea that someone cracks the shts about for being offensive is not what leads to growth. Meanwhile no extreme is too ridiculous for them to sign off on if its “new” and “progressive” - see the sokal squared hoax. If youre nor familiar, 3 individuals wrote papers to mock how ridiculous academia is like “fat” about fat bodybuilding…”dildos” which pondered why men dont masturbate with anal penetration and what might happen if they did…a paper about rape culture in dog parks - this one was especially well received in academia. These were peer reviewed and published papers. So yea, academia is going backwards.

If youd like to read up on some of their other academia approved masterpieces here you go

areomagazine.com/2018/10/02/academic-grievance-studies-and-the-corruption-of-scholarship/

is this Sanskrit?

 

[Jjh7]

In case you have missed it, Penn Wharton budget guidance. Some highlights:

• We estimate that President Biden’s proposed student loan debt cancellation alone will cost between $469 billion to $519 billion over the 10-year budget window
• the proposed new IDR program will cost an additional $70 billion, increasing total package costs to $605 billion
• depending on future details of the actual IDR program and concomitant behavioral changes, the IDR program could add another $450 billion or more, thereby raising total plan costs to over $1 trillion
  

This is a potential Trillion Dollar executive order. The president should not be able to spend this kind of money without congressional approval. Agree or disagree?

The Biden Student Loan Forgiveness Plan: Budgetary Costs and Distributional Impact | Penn Wharton Budget Model

President Biden’s new student loan forgiveness plan includes three major components. We estimate that debt cancellation alone will cost up to $519 billion, with about two-thirds of the benefit accruing to households making $88,000 or less. Loan forbearance will cost another $16 billion. The new...

budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu

Sure, why not. Whats another trillion at this point? Next week well make that ukraines monthly allowance.

 

[Jjh7]

is this Sanskrit?

No youre just a below average product of our dogsht education system. Thats my bad buddy ill try to keep it to your reading level of coloring book next time.

 

[dpic73]

No youre just a below average product of our dogsht education system. Thats my bad buddy ill try to keep it to your reading level of coloring book next time.

I made the comment earlier in this thread that Repubs want to keep 'em dumb, but whoever was in charge of your education, went way too far.

 

[WapPride]

tying public school funding to local property taxes has done more to damage the education system in the US than rly anything else i can think of

 

[Jjh7]

I made the comment earlier in this thread that Repubs want to keep 'em dumb, but whoever was in charge of your education, went way too far.

Interesting...reality doesnt seem to be reflecting that. But let your imagination run buddy im sorry for making you feel insecure. dont feel bad, im sure youre good at something

 

[nytigerfan]

No youre just a below average product of our dogsht education system. Thats my bad buddy ill try to keep it to your reading level of coloring book next time.

How you see yourself.

How everyone else sees you.

 

[Jjh7]

How you see yourself.

How everyone else sees you.

Sad. Just go get your shine box muppet i dont have time to entertain you projecting your insecurities all day

 

[CU Alumnus]

Correct, we need doctors, nurses, teachers, principles, social workers, bus drivers etc for our society to function. The Reganomics (sorry had to say it) of the world left them behind (minus the Doctors because they organized and fight for pay with their private and public employers). Notice how when any lower class teachers or anyone organize for pay they label them communists? Anyway, sorry to go on a tangent, the whole thing is so frustrating because her debt should be forgiven, instead we've been making payments all through the pause, to get out from under it.

If a bus driver has student loans, they have done something VERY wrong.....

 

[WapPride]

If a bus driver has student loans, they have done something VERY wrong.....

this is assuming that the only people who currently have student loans are those who were able to complete their degree...which isn't the case. there are significant amounts of debt holders that weren't able to complete their degree because they had to leave school for one reason or another (a leading cause is unforeseen medical expenses.)

 

[nytigerfan]

In case you have missed it, Penn Wharton budget guidance. Some highlights:

• We estimate that President Biden’s proposed student loan debt cancellation alone will cost between $469 billion to $519 billion over the 10-year budget window
• the proposed new IDR program will cost an additional $70 billion, increasing total package costs to $605 billion
• depending on future details of the actual IDR program and concomitant behavioral changes, the IDR program could add another $450 billion or more, thereby raising total plan costs to over $1 trillion

This is a potential Trillion Dollar executive order. The president should not be able to spend this kind of money without congressional approval. Agree or disagree?

The Biden Student Loan Forgiveness Plan: Budgetary Costs and Distributional Impact | Penn Wharton Budget Model

President Biden’s new student loan forgiveness plan includes three major components. We estimate that debt cancellation alone will cost up to $519 billion, with about two-thirds of the benefit accruing to households making $88,000 or less. Loan forbearance will cost another $16 billion. The new...

budgetmodel.wharton.upenn.edu

I don't think the actual number in the end will be that large. Biden is also restarting loan payments in Jan (federal student loan payments were suspended under Trump and never restarted). That alone will offset about $200B in costs.

That said, EOs have gotten out of hand. That's both sides. We live in a time that these two parties just want to oppose each other, no matter what the consequences are for us. That is one of the reasons presidents do so many EOs. And don't get me started on signing statements, that **** is just dirty.

 

[other1]

If a bus driver has student loans, they have done something VERY wrong.....

Not everyone's situation is as cut and dried as yours obviously is.

 

[dannyford]

Univ of Mich dropping $15m annually on diversity and inclusion staff........no wonder kids can't afford to go to college