Stricks hiring resume

dawgatUSM

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Vic, Vann, Ray, and now Howland.

I'm not going to hold the Ray hire against him. He went after big fish and nobody wanted to rebuild so he had to settle.

I would say that is a pretty good record.
 

patdog

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Not true. The only one he hired was Rick Ray. All the others came from above him. **
 

BiscuitEater

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Think that Strick 'learned' from the Ray experience .. I'm convinced that Howland agreed to terms BEFORE Ray was fired.
 

esplanade91

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I have no information to say it was anyone otherwise, and I'm willing to concede the fact that all hires were done on his watch... But I still don't believe he deserves 100% of the credit for Vann or Vic and by all accounts it seems like he wasn't the trigger finger for Howland.

Ray is still on him, and if you're willing to give that a pass as merely a swing and a miss on big names... Consider the fact that he left us get to that point.

I think we could do much worse than Stricklandz but I'm still not a fan. I'll hold his quote about us being generic against him for as long as I have to.
 

patdog

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I have no information to say it was anyone otherwise, and I'm willing to concede the fact that all hires were done on his watch... But I still don't believe he deserves 100% of the credit for Vann or Vic and by all accounts it seems like he wasn't the trigger finger for Howland.
So, in your own words, even though you have absolutely no basis to believe anyone but Stricklin made those hires, you choose to believe it anyway. As for "by all accounts" him not being behind the Howland hire, those same accounts said that Ray was 100% returning for next year.
 

ronpolk

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I have no information to say it was anyone otherwise, and I'm willing to concede the fact that all hires were done on his watch... But I still don't believe he deserves 100% of the credit for Vann or Vic and by all accounts it seems like he wasn't the trigger finger for Howland.

Ray is still on him, and if you're willing to give that a pass as merely a swing and a miss on big names... Consider the fact that he left us get to that point.

I think we could do much worse than Stricklandz but I'm still not a fan. I'll hold his quote about us being generic against him for as long as I have to.

Made 3 good hires but he didn't really make those hires but the one bad one is all on him.

Some of you guys are just blind in your attempt to give him 0 credit. Is he Greg Byrne? No. But he's still pretty damn good.
 

fishwater99

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If the Howland hire was all Scott than he has more than made up for his blunder in hiring Ray.

This is a great day to be a Bulldawg..
 

esplanade91

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Vann was RIGHT THERE and the situation surrounding her quitting Alabama right when we needed a coach was 1/1,000,000. Had that off the wall circumstance not happened she would have stayed at Alabama.

And I specifically remember us having the only women's gig open, at least the only one that wasn't a total rebuild, and Vic had ties (albiet loose) to us.

Ray is the only hire that was "17, who you got?"

Considering all the chatter regarding Keenum, him being in Durham and flying home, saying he decided weeks after the season on a "gut" feeling, and us hiring Ben a day later... It sure as **** seems like this was done above Scott.

I admitted he deserves credit, I just have my doubts. #HailState #SnOwBoWl2012!!!!
 

esplanade91

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If the Howland hire was all Scott than he has more than made up for his blunder in hiring Ray.

This is a great day to be a Bulldawg..

I'm ecstatic. In no way am I being a negative nelly for the hell of it. I love this hire!!!! But this thread was on a specific topic.

The way I see it is we shouldn't need to go through this again in any major sport for a long time, and besides marketing I half faith in Loafers to keep the ship headed in the right direction.
 

patdog

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One week after the season, not weeks. As for the timing, it looks a lot like the decision was made that if we could get Howland, we'd fire Ray. When Howland let us know he was interested, Scott flew back to fire Ray.
 

esplanade91

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One week after the season, not weeks. As for the timing, it looks a lot like the decision was made that if we could get Howland, we'd fire Ray. When Howland let us know he was interested, Scott flew back to fire Ray.

I'm just glad to have Ben, whoever facilitated the deal. Belongs on Scott's resume.
 

Dawgzilla

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You know, he wasn't in Durham on vacation. He was doing his job as AD. Part of that job obviously entailed checking into possible basketball hires. I suspect he got strong interest from Howland or his agent, but he needed to fire Ray before the negotiations could get serious. Now, I have no idea whether Stricklin was primarily responsible for getting Howland's interest, or whether that came from sources above him, but I don't think you can read anything negative into Scott returning to Starkville to fire Ray.
 

esplanade91

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It's not just one thing. It's everything in the pot. Like Ray saying 2 weeks ago that the administration had full faith in him.

I'm not clambering for Stricklin to lose his job like some people, but I don't think it's weird to have doubts about him. There's been a lot of stuff strung along to justify it.
 

patdog

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It's not just one thing. It's everything in the pot. Like Ray saying 2 weeks ago that the administration had full faith in him.
Really? You're using that to say that Scott isn't doing a good job? What the hell else was Ray supposed to say?
 

Shmuley

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^^^ This. Howland erases the Ray disaster. Doesn't matter who is ultimately responsible. The disaster is forgiven.
 

esplanade91

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Really? You're using that to say that Scott isn't doing a good job? What the hell else was Ray supposed to say?
No, I'm not. But it's easy to take Ray's statement about having the administration behind him and put it together with what appears to be on the surface a reach around hire and come to the conclusion that it wasn't all on Sticklin. That's not a far jump in the least bit.

I thought Ray was going to get a 4th year and part of me thought he deserved it, but I'm happy he was canned and that we *unofficially* got who we got... However way we got him. If he told Ray he was safe and found out we could get Howland and then fired him, I'm unapologetically ok with it. So whether it way Stricklin's doing, Adidas's doing, Keenum's doing, or a collaboration of all of them, I guess that means we're lucky to have who we have.
 

Uncle Ruckus

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So what you're saying is the one ****** hire that was made under his watch is the only one you give him credit for. You're not biased at all*
 

Dawgzilla

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You are free to have doubts. Scott was barely 40 when he was hired, and we all had to wonder if he was ready for the job. The Rick Ray hire was a bit of a head scratcher at the time, and turned out to be terrible. I just want to see people be fair when making their assessments, and I don't think its fair to read anything negative into Stricklin making a special trip from Durham to Starkville to fire Ray. If anything, I see it as a positive that he didn't fire Ray until he had at least one other fish on the line, but then I guess you could say I'm too much of a pollyanna.
 

was21

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In today's scenario, it's doubtful that any one individual has sole authority on major hires in the SEC. The role of an AD is not primarily to make hires anyway although they certainly should have a strong role in the process. The primary job of the AD has to do with revenues, facilities upgrades and maintenance, and administration of the athletic department.
 

titus.sixpack

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I don't think the Ray hire was that bad. He is leaving the program in better shape than he found it. Howland was not available 3 years ago, nor were there any other high profile hires available that were willing to accept the job. The only other option that I can see would have been to keep Stans for another year, giving him a chance to hang on to the job for a few more years.
 

DancingRabbit

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Yeah, that's an eloquent representation of the anti-Stricklin crowd.

As in, "my opinions count more than your facts."
 

BulldogBlitz

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i cannot believe we didnt spend more time considering the fourtg assistant at southeast south dakota a&m
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