Binders, fillers, excepients... maybe trying to hydrate with the tank water.
Just wait for the Zinc overdose induced bouts of N&V, and the flu like symptoms that can be induced in some. That'll really put the public in a spin.
Stop self-medicating, morons!
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Binders, fillers, excepients... maybe trying to hydrate with the tank water.
Just wait for the Zinc overdose induced bouts of N&V, and the flu like symptoms that can be induced in some. That'll really put the public in a spin.
1. There are people who just hate Trump. They mostly deny that their hate frames their opinions because they don't even realize it themselves.
2. If they come out with pandemic insurance, I'm buying it. We are going to get through this. People will credit the shutdown. We can expect more shutdowns in the future.
3. Socialists and totalitarians love what they're seeing. Americans are proving themselves to be very willing to give up their liberty.
4. There is never a 100% guarentee of safety.
5. We are being presented with an exagerated false choice of "Death vs. Markets". A better description of the choice is "Security vs. Freedom."
6. A President has more at stake with his decisions than do his advisors. Fauci is a scientist and physician. Fauci's main concern is low morbidity and mortality from the virus and he will advise accordingly. That's very important but the President has more to consider. The President has to be a leader. He can have the utmost respect for Fauci as a scientist but he has to weigh many other factors in his decisions.
7. Examine history. Gather the worldwide data. Analyze the data. Consider the costs and benefits. Try to eliminate the political considerations from the decision making process.
2. If they come out with pandemic insurance, I'm buying it. We are going to get through this. People will credit the shutdown. We can expect more shutdowns in the future.
3. Socialists and totalitarians love what they're seeing. Americans are proving themselves to be very willing to give up their liberty.
4. There is never a 100% guarentee of safety.
5. We are being presented with an exagerated false choice of "Death vs. Markets". A better description of the choice is "Security vs. Freedom."
6. A President has more at stake with his decisions than do his advisors. Fauci is a scientist and physician. Fauci's main concern is low morbidity and mortality from the virus and he will advise accordingly. That's very important but the President has more to consider. The President has to be a leader. He can have the utmost respect for Fauci as a scientist but he has to weigh many other factors in his decisions.
7. Examine history. Gather the worldwide data. Analyze the data. Consider the costs and benefits. Try to eliminate the political considerations from the decision making process.
Trump needs to tear into congress at his press conference. Like a 5 minute rant just laying them out for putting all this ******** in the financial bill. And it is from both sides of the aisle. My favorite is the pay increase for Congress. The kennedy center money is **** too. There is all kinds of special interest crap in there which is just a disgrace. Trump needs to publicly rip them to pieces and tell them if it isn’t directly related to repairing the damage to the economy from this, he will veto the bill.
His popularity would soar.
You're Right and it's already at an all time high. CNN even put out an article on that today.
The fish tank cleaner"poison" and the medication referenced by POTUS are entirely different substances. OP failed to mention that. Some people and their agendas????
Had to get personal and here I thought for once we would be able to have a civil discussion. Must be a California liberal thing.
OK then, let's ask a simple question of you:
If you release a rock from your hand, all things being equal now, do you expect it to fall or to rise?
Now, you aren't a physicist, so how can you know what it will do having only a layman's understanding of gravitational forces? Alter all, surely only an expert would be able to tell us these things right?
No. The fact is you have enough general knowledge to know what happens from observation alone.
So, if given enough anecdotal evidence in a given treatment, then yes, I think you can know within reasonable certainty if something is promising or not.
Of course, I'm not so sure you aren't exactly the type of person that you allude that PT Barnum talked about, although there is no evidence he actually said that by the way.
The media's blatant misrepresentation continues to kill them.
After the Ukraine hoax, his numbers went up.
They are climbing once more and while some of it is due to approval of his handling of the virus, some of it inevitably is a thumb to the eye of the media ... who went from calling him a "racist" when he issued a travel ban on China, to now doing a 180 and finding other stuff to ramble on.
The mainstream media is truly for those deprived oxygen at birth. At least the ones Democrats allowed to be born rather than murdered during the 3rd trimester.
Darrin the problem is there isn't enough anecdotal evidence to allow a layman to make an inform decision. The two study both with small test subjects have come back statistically insignificant. and in regards to the news of the cocktail of Hydroxycolequin and Zpak the Prolonged QT is too risky to be considered an every case treatment, in severe cases possibly but would have to be vigilant in controlling the QT Prolongation
Nice try at spin ... only one problem:
99% of the population will survive this virus.
100% die in abortion.
Nice math there, Will Hunting.
Great point you make. Way to work it though.
1% of the US population is 3.8 million people. Your numbers.
And 1% assumes there are adequate resources to treat the afflicted. This assumption is going to be severely tested in the next few weeks when health care resources are stressed to the breaking point. Your "damn the torpedos" approach is lunacy.
Next topic: Raven Shaddock on herd immunity.
If you don’t know the difference between your gravity analogy and the drug treatment one, then you’re proving the apocrypha correct.
Damn the torpedoes?
Son, you have no idea on what peril lays in wait if you shut an entire country down for HALF A YEAR ... which is exactly what people of your ilk are proposing.
An entire nation's economy chloroformed for many months on end.
Yeah, what problems could ever arise from that? LOL!!!
Problems that would dwarf this virus numerous times over.
Unsurprisingly, you fail to understand that.
What these stay home orders do is slow down the spread of the virus. Once they are lifted the virus spreads. At least until a vaccine is created, approved, manufactured and distributed.
What shutting down business does is slow, stop or ruin our economy for varying lengths of time. Perhaps generations. If you don’t think that is possible you are kidding yourself.
Seems to me businesses should be open and 100% mandatory temperature testing be done 3 times each day or shift. With a no tolerance policy. If your temperature is 100.4 or higher, you are immediately quarantined along w anyone you have been in close contact with.
Getting a cure is going to take longer than our way of life, also known as our economy, can reasonably survive if we continue to shutter businesses. There is no perfect answer but there is a reality that government spending and bailouts only work for short periods of time if industry stays closed. Its time to stop being led by politically correct thinking and face this reality.
What shutting down business does is slow, stop or ruin our economy for varying lengths of time. Perhaps generations. If you don’t think that is possible you are kidding yourself.
Seems to me businesses should be open and 100% mandatory temperature testing be done 3 times each day or shift. With a no tolerance policy. If your temperature is 100.4 or higher, you are immediately quarantined along w anyone you have been in close contact with.
Getting a cure is going to take longer than our way of life, also known as our economy, can reasonably survive if we continue to shutter businesses. There is no perfect answer but there is a reality that government spending and bailouts only work for short periods of time if industry stays closed. Its time to stop being led by politically correct thinking and face this reality.
Don't even bother.
Reason and fiscal sanity does not even register with those who stumble upon the fountain of knowledge and decide to gargle.
#IDIOCRACY
It doesn't take an expert to see the evidence and draw the conclusion that it might indeed be efficacious.
Using your philosophy though, you should never speak about anything because it's obvious you are an expert in absolutely nothing except how to be a liberal ***.
Then why didn't the medical experts with him go as far as Trump did?
You cry foul that saying "Barnum was right" is personal, then respond with that? What a hypocrite, LOL
I told myself I wasn't going to respond to any of your contrarian posts on any subjects anymore but this one made me go against my better judgement..
First off nice Strawman no one is calling for a 6 month shutdown hell we would want a full national shutdown which we wont have since our government doesn't have the balls to get ahead of this , Facts we know that this Virus has a a median incubation of 11.9 days so about a week and half so we could round up now add the fact that not every state has self quarantined or on the same time frames as others but most are within a two week calendar of one another so if we take this data and extrapolate from that if as a country we have a national mandated shutdown of the entire country except for essential services. If in that 4 week shut down those who are showing symptoms we get into hospital care those who have no symptoms after the 4 week period they return to what resembles normalcy. If the greatest Economy ever per the resident of the White House can rebound from a 4 week shutdown then maybe his opinion isn't that accurate.
You went there first not me.
As far as the medical experts not going with him, a lot of doctors are using it. Are doctors not medical experts now?
I get it that it would be much better had there been a full study backed up by several other studies all pointing to the same conclusion. I don't know if we have time for that, and again, if the evidence is there from what other countries have been doing and reports out of our very own country, knowing that when it is taken as instructed it's relatively safe, what harm is there in it?
I really think some of you libs would be fine with people dying and the economy collapsing just so Trump looks bad. I really believe that. Some of you would sell your own country out just to get rid of the president.
Anyway, I don't see this going anywhere constructive. The point is that you feel Trump did wrong in speaking about something that might be helpful and I think it was just fine that he did it. Let's leave it at that.
I wanna address these points one by one, Darrin, because I don't think we are as far apart as it seems. That second paragraph I quoted there answers your first. Because time is of the essence, some doctors in the field are having to take a shot and try it. However, that point is better addressed by the medical experts--not a guy who thinks he's an expert on everything.
Like somebody else alluded to, liberals aren't currently the ones advocating letting people die unnecessarily from this just to bolster the economy--conservatives are. This is a fact, because we have many here on the board espousing it. Conversely I haven't yet seen a liberal make a similar claim.
I think Trump would've been totally fine had he mentioned it without the "chance to be a game-changer" type emphasis and led into "...but maybe Dr. Fauci can tell us more about the specifics" or some such follow-up. The problem is he couched it too strongly. Is it his worst transgression? Hell, no. Was it a partly irresponsible one nonetheless? Sure.
Still, the people in Arizona are fvcking idiots and nobody is arguing otherwise. There's no liability issue or anything like that here, it's merely another example of a guy who is famous for overselling things doing more of his usual shtick when just a hair of deference could've avoided the whole thing.
Furthermore, I could buy your "he's just trying to be helpful and positive" angle more so if he'd taken the opportunity a few days earlier when the NBC reporter invited him to do just that in the questioning. Instead, he launched into his usual tired anti-media tantrum.
P.S. Try being one of the board's few liberals for a while and get back to me on how often people get personal with you, ha ha. The reality is many hate us just for being here at all. Next time I'll just give you a "Shew" to save your ears, how's that?
I'm just glad West Virginia only has 5 electoral votes. I feel you, I'm an Independent and I catch Hell for that, can only imagine being a Liberal on here haha.I wanna address these points one by one, Darrin, because I don't think we are as far apart as it seems. That second paragraph I quoted there answers your first. Because time is of the essence, some doctors in the field are having to take a shot and try it. However, that point is better addressed by the medical experts--not a guy who thinks he's an expert on everything.
Like somebody else alluded to, liberals aren't currently the ones advocating letting people die unnecessarily from this just to bolster the economy--conservatives are. This is a fact, because we have many here on the board espousing it. Conversely I haven't yet seen a liberal make a similar claim.
I think Trump would've been totally fine had he mentioned it without the "chance to be a game-changer" type emphasis and led into "...but maybe Dr. Fauci can tell us more about the specifics" or some such follow-up. The problem is he couched it too strongly. Is it his worst transgression? Hell, no. Was it a partly irresponsible one nonetheless? Sure.
Still, the people in Arizona are fvcking idiots and nobody is arguing otherwise. There's no liability issue or anything like that here, it's merely another example of a guy who is famous for overselling things doing more of his usual shtick when just a hair of deference could've avoided the whole thing.
Furthermore, I could buy your "he's just trying to be helpful and positive" angle more so if he'd taken the opportunity a few days earlier when the NBC reporter invited him to do just that in the questioning. Instead, he launched into his usual tired anti-media tantrum.
P.S. Try being one of the board's few liberals for a while and get back to me on how often people get personal with you, ha ha. The reality is many hate us just for being here at all. Next time I'll just give you a "Shew" to save your ears, how's that?
I don’t even watch the mainstream media anymore because it is nothing more than an editorial and that includes Fox News.
The President’s handling of this virus is a story that has yet to be written. We’ll see when it’s all said and done and, like always, the American people will judge for themselves come November.
Pretty sure there’s limitless articles and posts about how he’s handled it. I can only assume you mean accurate non-biased fact based documentary type accounts that in no way contain liberal or conservative bias. Good luck with that....
"Like somebody else alluded to, liberals aren't currently the ones advocating letting people die unnecessarily from this just to bolster the economy--conservatives are."I wanna address these points one by one, Darrin, because I don't think we are as far apart as it seems. That second paragraph I quoted there answers your first. Because time is of the essence, some doctors in the field are having to take a shot and try it. However, that point is better addressed by the medical experts--not a guy who thinks he's an expert on everything.
Like somebody else alluded to, liberals aren't currently the ones advocating letting people die unnecessarily from this just to bolster the economy--conservatives are. This is a fact, because we have many here on the board espousing it. Conversely I haven't yet seen a liberal make a similar claim.
I think Trump would've been totally fine had he mentioned it without the "chance to be a game-changer" type emphasis and led into "...but maybe Dr. Fauci can tell us more about the specifics" or some such follow-up. The problem is he couched it too strongly. Is it his worst transgression? Hell, no. Was it a partly irresponsible one nonetheless? Sure.
Still, the people in Arizona are fvcking idiots and nobody is arguing otherwise. There's no liability issue or anything like that here, it's merely another example of a guy who is famous for overselling things doing more of his usual shtick when just a hair of deference could've avoided the whole thing.
Furthermore, I could buy your "he's just trying to be helpful and positive" angle more so if he'd taken the opportunity a few days earlier when the NBC reporter invited him to do just that in the questioning. Instead, he launched into his usual tired anti-media tantrum.
P.S. Try being one of the board's few liberals for a while and get back to me on how often people get personal with you, ha ha. The reality is many hate us just for being here at all. Next time I'll just give you a "Shew" to save your ears, how's that?
That's because, as usual, liberals don't seem to understand that far more people are likely to die if our entire economy collapses because of overreacting to this thing.
The point is we are in the middle of the first quarter of this crisis. Just getting started. It will play out and we will see how it’s handled from all involved.
Why is this **** constantly liberals and conservatives? News flash. No one has the moral high ground on this issue. Cmon guys!
My point was...you’ll never know the truth and you’ll only get biased opinions (from sources that are supposed to be independent) how it was handled by all involved.
Expecting true credit or accountability isn’t reasonable....unfortunately.
I'd actually argue that this is very unlikely and not that concerning at all. Pfizer did a study comparing the QTc of chloroquine alone versus azith + chloroquine:
https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2013/050693s023,050730s031lbl.pdf
The observed increase was only about about 9 milliseconds. And that's with a very high 1500mg dose. And that's not even considering that hydroxychloroquine causes less prolongation and is likely safer. Given those outcomes, the likelihood of torsades (a type of arrhythmia, the potential endpoint of QT prolongation) is pretty low.
Of course, we still aren't sure if this combo will actually work in the real world on a large scale, anyway.
Bloomberg News ... owned by China, not Mike Bloomberg ... said numerous other reports about Chloroquine are untrue and that this drug does not work.
I know China would not lie ... nor would Bloomberg News ... so we're pretty screwed.
I know China would not lie ... nor would Bloomberg News ... so we're pretty screwed.
Oh, no ... I'd never imply something as conspiratorial as that. I find the mainstream media, in all forms, to be completely aboveboard and incorruptible.
I'm so thankful to have the media always looking out for our best interests and putting aside financial interests (and agendas fueled by potentially bought-and-paid-for news execs) to care for the average citizen.
God bless their precious little hearts. If anybody says anything derogatory about the media they are gonna have to go through me ... and I'm hard to go through because I'm tangible.
The same Mike Bloomberg who actually went on the air and said, and I quote:
"Xi Jinping is not a dictator. He simply has to satisfy his constituents or he’s not going to survive”.
If you re-word that sentence to adhere to TRUTH, it would read something like this:
"Xi Jinping is a dictator who has to silence his dissidents to maintain power."
The sad part?
You actually have people feeble-minded enough to believe Bloomberg's lunacy ... and those people breath the same air we do and share the same roadways. Pretty terrifying.