Stop self-medicating, morons!
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To mention something that may be promising and calling something a game changer are completely different and as president you should know the difference.
Which do you think is the higher number:
The number of people who ingest fish tank cleaner mistakenly believing that it is the same as hydroxychloroquine that MANY governments (not just the one you target) are optimistic about as a COVID-19 treatment
OR
The number of people who refuse to consider taking hydroxychloroquine when a doctor prescribes it because media and OP have sensationalized this particular fish tank story
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The goal is to save lives. In the long run, your fear mongering here will cost more lives than the number of lives lost to fish tank cleaner.
And we have a winner!
And now you know why some want to suicidally throw open the borders and incorporate a flood of uneducated citizens from 3rd world countries. To dumb down an already simpleminded society.
The lunatic lemmings in their voting base (and in power) who want open borders may be witnessing why it's not a wise idea ... for ANY country.
The hatred for trump has no limits. His press conference on Monday night was exactly what I was looking for and gave me hope that we are moving in the right direction. It put this whole pandemic in perspective based on facts I had been stating long before: number of deaths due to car accidents, due to flu, etc... We need to begin coming back to reality and thinking of ways we can both work to SLOW the spread while not crushing our economy/country for years to come.
Ok, again, I'm not targeting a government. Nor am I fear mongering. I attempt to dabble strictly in reality.
I think that a subset of conservatives will do what conservative media tells them no matter how stupid it is.
I think a subset of liberals will do whatever liberal media tells them no matter how stupid it is.
Other than that, I think most people will realize that both chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine are unproven drugs. And that just because some guy in Arizona consumed fish tank cleaner, it doesn't mean that the substance is going to harm them if dosed correctly. And should a larger, more in depth, outcome based study reveal that either or both increase survival odds, most people will take the drug if prescribed.
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And I also posted this in another thread -- The reality is that hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are both drugs that we still have no idea the efficacy of. After the study out of China overnight suggesting that hydroxychloroquine doesn't appear to help outcomes, it makes things even more opaque. Because now there are two weak, small study size reports out with contradicting information.
Everyone needs to hit pause and just wait for facts to come out before anybody does anything rash. Like these two poor people.
Yeah. In all fairness, he won’t catch a break no matter what he does. Before the virus, we had a booming economy, more people of all race were working with improved wages, we stood up to China, created a new Mexico & Canada trade deal, he was trying to build a wall so only legal immigrants could flow into the country. And yet he isn’t “Presidential” enough. I think he is arrogant, but you are mistaken if you think any one in that office isn’t. Oh, and you can still criticize him, it’s your right in a free country, but he has done more in his personal, private life than the last several presidents before him. Isn’t it ironic that the last president to stand up to others and take his oath of office for the USA first was a person with limited political experience. These career politicians, on both sides of the aisle, are what is ruining our country along with the fact they get their money from interest groups. The government should NOT be an advertising arm for every group that wants money. If you want an abortion, pay for it. If you want your corporation to grow, put your own money into it, or get more orders. We have become a lazy society that is waiting for hand outs. I really don’t give a **** what most others do. Just stay in your lane and don’t try to bring everyone else into. Lastly, as you, I will say whatever I feel like saying. That is my right also.
The president also knows more about what is going on too. Maybe it is a "game changer"
That said, that's not exactly what he said either.
The quote is "...have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine"
Have a real CHANCE to be one.
Now, that said, it was reported yesterday that a doctor using it to treat this virus had it work on 350 out of 350 patients.
None needed hospitalization.
Maybe it is a "game changer".
I you were aware of this, why did you tell me "they aren't two different things"?
That is like ordering a fillet and the waiter gives me a NY strip and tell me they are basically the same. I hope a customer doesn't hand you a prescription for X and you give him Y and tell him they are basically the same.
I wonder where you are on the Dunning-Kruger scale.....
Of course you're targeting Trump. You mentioned his name in 4 different posts just on the 1st page of this thread. That's an objective fact. Not once did you mention Andrew Cuomo's NY government, the French, or South Korea where this exact same treatment is also being employed with similar cautious optimism. That's another objective fact.
Beyond that, why haven't you also posted the dozens of anecdotal stories where this treatment, as prescribed, HAS worked?
No, you've only targeted 1 person in government and you've only targeted 1 particularly extreme case where something went wrong. Again, these are facts.
Why is that? You tell us you dabble in reality. I just posted the reality. Dabble in it and explain it to us.
Girl, " I'm late Danny."
Danny," for what?"
Girl, " For not being pregnant!"
Danny, "Well, I guess we could get married!"
Girl," well tanks for nuthin."
So now you recognize the drugs are different and not the same as you originally claimed. Glad to help you clear that up.
Where is "intentionally deceptive" in the Dunning-Kruger effect?
If you willingly ingest aquarium tank cleaner you are incompetent and deserve what happens to you.
The new report is showing that CV is now considered an exceedingly low risk in terms of mutation.
Additionally, the mortality rate in the U.S. is hovering around 1.3% with that rate being unarguably propped up by a population with likely MILLIONS of people infected and asymptomatic, and will remain as such since they will never be tested ... especially with the medical community saying that, for the time being, the symptomatic should be the ones given priority when it comes to limited test kits.
We know the mortality rate is less than what is being reported since there will be millions ... and perhaps one day ... BILLIONS of people who would test positive but will never be factored into the mortality/recovery rate because nobody will ever realize they are infected.
But I tell you what kills more people than this virus ...
Famine ... extreme hunger.
The supply lines are finite.
Also, per Galbraith statistic, in the great crash of 1929, the suicide rate in the United States increased from 17.0 per 100,000 people in 1929 to 21.3 in 1932 during the worst of the financial calamity.
As serious as think this virus is, you're gonna lose MANY MILLIONS MORE to other factors the scientists are not even considering ... because their job is NOT considering those things. They are tunnel-visioned right now, as they should be.
But true leaders have to factor in other threats to our society ... and thinking society can self-quarantine in their homes courtesy of toilet paper bunkers and plunge society into a global depression ... well, THAT is a truly big league threat to society because of the numerous ways it would kill people.
Face it ... we're gonna have to try and flatten this out within the next 2-4 weeks (or a little longer) and then gradually ease our way back in areas of the country the least affected. Otherwise, you are gonna see a REAL boogeyman that makes Coronavirus look like a lightweight in the local Golden Gloves competition.
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The tank cleaner had chloroquine in it. The president mentioned chloroquine because Bayer was going to donate some to the US and he wanted the FDA to look at it. They aren't two different things.
I mean, if you desperately needed an anti-malarial and I was out of one, I'd call to get it switched to the other. They are in the same class with similar side effects.
I think the confusion here is that you think when I typed "they aren't two different things" I didn't mean that hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine aren't two different things. I meant that the tank cleaner and one of the two medications the president mentioned aren't two different things. They both contain chloroquine. Hence..."they aren't two different things." That and that the president really did mention chloroquine several times, which you seem to fail to acknowledge.
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When he mentioned tax cuts, did you take yours or did your ignore it and pay more? That's what that idiot just demonstrated. The inability to be intelligent.
Again, that goes back to my point that as the president you need to adhere to a higher standard. If I went on tv and said this drug absolutely cures the disease no one would give to shakes of piss. For the president to use the phrase "game changer" in any manner is irresponsible. Most people would tune out the possibility part of the sentence and hone in specifically on the game changer quote. He should just be smarter than that. Again, to reiterate, I think those people are responsible for their own actions.
I think it's well established that the fish tank cleanser eating guy isn't that bright
You honestly think this country can be shut down until mid-Summer?
Let's quit calling it "mid-Summer to late Summer". That sounds so harmless ... so benign.
Let's call it what it actually is.
Mid-Summer is 15 weeks.
Late-Summer is 23 weeks.
Do you honestly think the economy can be shut down for that period of time without introducing famine, calamities due to breakdowns in hygiene, suicide, extreme poverty not able to be staved off with stimulus packages, and another threat ... civil unrest?
Are you serious?
I'm sure we think our chemistry sets explain everything .... but from one former medical professional to another ... they CAN'T.
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Funny story, had a new patient during her first hygiene visit who during her health history said she was taking her little dogs antibiotics when her tooth would abscess. When I checked her, we all had a good laugh and got her "big people" antibiotics. As I turned to leave the operatory, I turned back and said," I have to ask , when you took your dogs medication, did it make you want to scoot across the floor?" Adding a little butt rubbing that dogs do. My Hygienst laughed so hard and the patient was just in a couple of weeks ago for her recall. People will do all kinds of things.
What he said was accurate.
Ask Dr. Oz. And the rest of the world. This is a perscription medication. If people cant figure out you need a doctor to get a prescription they must have attended Pitt.
Society needs to determine what is more important. Deaths or the markets. Look, I don't know. Nor do I claim to. I'm not an expert in ethics and I don't claim to be an expert in economics. (Though, admittedly, personal finance and macroeconomics is an interest of mine.) I am an expert in pharmacy. I'll be glad to give you all of my views on that, which I am and have been trying to.
Got in a big argument last night about it. We ahve got to get back to work and try and take care of the sick the best we can. Can't destroy our country over this.
Classic left wing response. Trump never said to use a fish tank cleaner to get rid of the virus. He never said it and idiots like you want the world to believe he told the guy to drink it. You should be on CNN they said the same stupid **** you did.
I'm glad that Trump is not asking economists and Wall Street wunderkinds their advice on a serious medical threat to our society.
We would be toast.
I'm equally as glad Trump's not asking Dr. Fauci and Dr. Oz their advice on the hydrogen bomb on humanity that occurs when you shutter an entire country for almost HALF A YEAR.
We would be toast.
I'm sure an educated person such as yourself can see the sheer insanity of such a proposition.
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Exactly. If only he had said bleach was the game changer, a lot of problems would've taken care of themselves.
Indeed. Coronavirus is terrifying and there isn't a good, carefree solution to dealing with it.
Most rational post perhaps ever on The Blue Lot. Doomed to be discounted by many!They aren't "two different things." Hydroxychloroquine is derived from chloroquine. They are very similar and are used for the same indications. The woman said later when interviewed that she got the idea from hearing the president speak about the drug. The husband thought that taking a teaspoonful of the tank cleaner would be a good idea. Turns out that a teaspoonful of the tank cleaner contained a lethal dose of the drug.
So did Trump tell these people to consume aquarium cleaner and is, thus, directly at fault? No. Are these people idiots? Yes. Should Trump, with his laymen at best knowledge of pharmacology, go on stage and proclaim that a drug that has very little evidence from a very small case study is a miracle cure? No, because stupid people will do things like this.
If nothing else the coronavirus calamity has shown one thing to me. It's that an alarmingly high percentage of humans will talk out of their *** about subjects they know absolutely nothing about with such conviction that they actually know what they are talking about. The media does it (Fox News, MSNBC, and, to a lesser extent, the non crazy media). The president does it. Random idiots on Twitter do it.
I wish everyone would just shut the hell up and listen to experts. It's classic Dunning-Kruger effect in action.
And everyone seems to be permanently stuck on naively confident 24/7.
I T !!!!!
MAY be a game changer.
Recently released information sounds encouraging.
BUT: What these morons took was not IT!!
The IT has been used with limited medical complications for 75 years and is still widely used in Africa for malaria.
IT is NOT the problem; HE is not the problem; THEY is (were) the problem!