IU actually got jobbed harder than us "oh hey you're a 3 seed, aren't we nice, now you get to play the best backcourt in the nation as your four lololol." The whole thing was done just to promote a UK-IU game. I hate when the committee searches for a narrative before fairness.
Stop complaining about our seed
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I'm sure it's intentional.
If we're one spot higher, in front of Cal, we are in Louisville. We should have been in front of Cal.
Us in front of Duke and aTm are obvious.
IU falling to a 5 to play us...intentional.
You're right though. There's no way to know for sure. Unless we use our brains and follow the pattern of behavior of the NCAA nitwits.
Ultimately sometime on Saturday it was decided that regardless of outcome, they felt Texas A&M had a better resume. And I'm sure it was for reasons I posted. Two additional wins vs top 50 and two less losses to 101-200. The Auburn and UT losses hurt big time.
I don't agree with their decision. But unless the two teams are extremely close, one game in a 30 game season shouldn't have an overwhelming effect on things.
It would have been an easy flip. It's just they didn't think even us winning that game would have had an effect.
They weren't right. I mean I had UK ahead of A&M and that was before our win on Sunday.......and most other bracket people had that as well. I see WHY they put them ahead of us when breaking down the resume. I just don't agree
Not saying that isn't a good idea but, in the end, I don't think it would've mattered one iota. Haters gonna hate.
I knew the Top 50 thing would come back to haunt us
I think you have to go all the way down to the 8 seed line before you find another team with just two top 50 wins
This is why in years we don't win all our games, we continually get screwed. The SEC gives us little opportunity for big wins.
I think you have to go all the way down to the 8 seed line before you find another team with just two top 50 wins
This is why in years we don't win all our games, we continually get screwed. The SEC gives us little opportunity for big wins.
You're probably right.
I think it was already decided that A&M would be higher than UK regardless of outcome
THIS!! You can convince me that once in a while UK gets under-seeded unintentionally. But when it's a pattern of behavior, there is good reason to believe it's deliberate.
We had 3. And the two losses were on the road, in OT, to KU and aTm.
RPI isn't very good, but at least it weights road wins and home losses.
Record vs. RPI top 50 doesn't even do that. The actual RPI attempts to be more fair by considering where you won your games. Then the committee throws that out by using that top 50 nonsense.
It's ridiculous, because their actual RPI formula will tell you that our wins AT number 55 Florida and AT number 65 South Carolina are of higher quality than a home win versus, say, Arizona.
But the 11th ranked RPI that their formula gives us doesn't fit their narrative, so they change the conversation.
To me the reason UK get's mis seeded all the time isn't because the committee doesn't like them, it's because of the metrics they are using.
If you use Kenpom, UK is a 2 seed.
BPI........3 seed
Sargarin.......2 seed
All of a sudden, we are where we should be rated.
Or they could just use Vegas. When they have you the fourth most likely to win the title and the committee has u a 4 seed, there's some disconnect there
If you use Kenpom, UK is a 2 seed.
BPI........3 seed
Sargarin.......2 seed
All of a sudden, we are where we should be rated.
Or they could just use Vegas. When they have you the fourth most likely to win the title and the committee has u a 4 seed, there's some disconnect there
Listen to Cal. They are mis-seeding us because they don't like us. They don't like Cal.
They use the metric that they need to use to justify jobbing us. When we are a juggernaut, they hold their nose and give us a 1.
I keep saying two because I think they didn't count Sunday. Which is ridiculous but I guess if they feel it won't have an effect, they have to cut off at some point.
But yeah I totally agree.
Pomeroy had made a blog post a few months back and what he said was so true. On his team pages, he breaks down the games between regular games, A Tier games and B Tier games but he basically said why are we looking at top 50, top 100 etc etc. If a system is good, then it should stand on it's own. All of that stuff should already be factored into the overall number.
So the fact that UK is 11th in RPI should tell the committee all it needs to know......if the RPI was a good measure which we know it's not.
THIS. And that's the key. They end up throwing out an important part of the formula.
I don't think the committee is biased so much as they are inept at understanding the very metrics they use.
I loved that Cal interview. I loved that he brought up efficiency stats and said how that should have an effect.
It's amazing that we have advanced so far with how we can evaluate teams but the NCAA is still stuck in the 60s.
I loved that Cal interview. I loved that he brought up efficiency stats and said how that should have an effect.
It's amazing that we have advanced so far with how we can evaluate teams but the NCAA is still stuck in the 60s.
We will never agree on this. I absolutely think they are biased. So does our coach, if you listened to him yesterday.
It's amazing that we have advanced so far with how we can evaluate teams but the NCAA is still stuck in the 60s.
Probably still using mimeograph machines.
Probably still using mimeograph machines.
I do have to say FWIW while they are terrible at seeding I do think the teams picked are largely good.
Of the Top 40 Kenpom teams......only 2 teams that were eligible for the tournament missed out (Valpo and Saint Mary's).
If you extend this to other years
2015 = 0 teams missed
2014 = 3 teams
2013 = 3 teams
2012 = 1 team
Of the Top 40 Kenpom teams......only 2 teams that were eligible for the tournament missed out (Valpo and Saint Mary's).
If you extend this to other years
2015 = 0 teams missed
2014 = 3 teams
2013 = 3 teams
2012 = 1 team
To be the man, you gotta beat the man. At Kentucky, we ought to welcome the toughest competition. If we're gonna make a run, it might as well be interesting. Go Cats.
I think the biggest issue is what Cal said. You have a room full of people and each person values something a bit more than the other person. And when that happens, there's mass confusion on what criteria they are following. There's no set rules.
It's gonna be this way until they decide to take it out of human's hands
It's gonna be this way until they decide to take it out of human's hands
I've wanted to believe that the people on the committee have a little pride in themselves, meaning they want to do their job properly and come up with the best, fairest possible tournament. I no longer believe that at all. This year is just too much of a tipping point. And it's not just UK. I think they're spineless bureaucrats who play politics with the bracket in ways that have nothing to do with their stated goals and objectives.
We were always told in the Navy that a happy sailor was a bitching sailor; same might be true of UK fans. It is our way of expressing ourselves at times.
I am not worried or complaining about our seed. As a matted of fact, I'm looking forward to it blossoming into one fly cool cat that will claw its way to title number 9!