Stoops loses key players

LineSkiCat14

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I know the difference.
I know excuses are for losers.
Pearl and Auburn lost their best player Oceke and still sent our arse packing in the 2019 elite 8.
Okeke.. but you're fairly close.

Either way.. he wasn't their PG.

If UK lost ANY other player (not Oscar) it shouldn't matter.

But you can't expect to win when your two PGs go down.

I dont get it we were blowing LSU out when Ty went down, and then they went up by 10. How are you guys missing this? It's so clear that our team changed DRASTICALLY, when Ty was out.
 

bbnkat02

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Okeke.. but you're fairly close.

Either way.. he wasn't their PG.

If UK lost ANY other player (not Oscar) it shouldn't matter.

But you can't expect to win when your two PGs go down.

I dont get it we were blowing LSU out when Ty went down, and then they went up by 10. How are you guys missing this? It's so clear that our team changed DRASTICALLY, when Ty was out.
It’s called agenda man.

If we lost tonight like we did with Wheeler and Ty out there I’d be moving Cal’s luggage back up the hall.
 
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BigCat241

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Lol no. But he’s your best. Period. Especially when it’s against the top defensive team in the country.
Yes, but scoring 2 points in 10 minutes shouldnt happen even if we have our walk ons out there, never less guys like Oscar, Grady, and Toppin.
 

englishmajor

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Cal's blown plenty of double digit leads with all his starters out there. It's what he does.
 

UKWildcats1987

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Terrible comparison.

If you are gonna go football might as well go with my Titans probably winning the 1 seed without Henry, the NFL mvp if he played all season. Now that is really impressive.
 
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Id love to see a basketball team with 5 PGs, 7 SGs, 15 SF/PF, and 6 Centers.

Imagine trying to fit that on one sideline. Then imagine trying to get playing time for 30-35 players in a 40 minute game. Are we playing 11 on 11? That might make the playing time situation a bit different.

What's our scheme? 4-3-4? How about we cherry pick and leave 2 players down at our goal and play a 3-3-3 zone? Do we put one PG in the middle of the court and if he gets touched they call a roughing the point guard penalty and we get 15 points and a replay of our last possession.


How does this new baskfootball game work exactly? Im unsure.
 

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Stoops manages to put together a credible team with the players he has available. Cal can't seem to put a working game plan together when he's missing starters.
Football allows for significantly more depth and other than quarterback the responsibility is spread much more broadly.

I'm sure you can recall many top basketball teams that would be in deep trouble down two starters particularly their two primary ball handlers one being your second shooter and offensive option during the course of a game because it is most of them.

We are more heavily Washington dependent than I would have ever guessed going into the season because he is our second about everything except rebounder and helps steadily there it seems too but other than that there is no glaring roster construction issue.

It was a bad situation and we still were in it, there is nothing to be ashamed of and no fatal flaw other than a 4th primary type ball handler and we'd love to have another high level shooter so the floor stays balanced if Washington or Grady aren't on the floor for any sustained period but those are on balance high end first world problems.
 

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On both sides of the ball and goes out and wins our bowl game.

I‘m tired of the excuses for Cal.
With numerous threads already posted downing Cal and the Team, you still felt the need to start another one. Hey everyone look at me I’m stupid. That would be you. Well, now you have your 15 minutes of fame.
 

HagginHall1999

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On both sides of the ball and goes out and wins our bowl game.

I‘m tired of the excuses for Cal.

Wow, this was a really dumb post.

Did Stoops play without Levis and C-Rod or Levis and Robinson?

That is the equivalent of losing Wheeler and TyTy.

You do realize the depth chart in football, right?
 

Crums Bald Spot

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On both sides of the ball and goes out and wins our bowl game.

I‘m tired of the excuses for Cal.
Bad take. First, Wheeler going down would be like Levis being out. Then his backup PG got hurt similar to if our second string quarterback went down during the game. Not to mention, Iowa's best running back opted out and they had several kids who had covid at the last second.

I am all for giving stoops thumbs up on the job he's done but let's not act like he's some great tactician who makes brilliant adjustments. We have been out coached more times than I can count and we have lost games due to bad clock management and not being organized.

The guy is a really good coordinator, loved by his players, and surrounds himself with some good coaches.
 
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Had LSU lost 2 players and we won last night ALL of you kool aid drinking sunshine pumpers would be talking about what a great win it was.

You wouldn’t even mention LSU losing 2 players.
 
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Stoops manages to put together a credible team with the players he has available. Cal can't seem to put a working game plan together when he's missing starters.
The difference is Cal is not considered successful unless he makes the final four. Stoops is considered successful if he makes the Freakin' Citrus Bowl which is equivalent to just making the round of 64 and Kentucky football is like being the equivalent to Loyola-Maryland or Belmont or Utah State or San Diego St. in basketball. Apples and Oranges.
 

bbnkat02

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Had LSU lost 2 players and we won last night ALL of you kool aid drinking sunshine pumpers would be talking about what a great win it was.

You wouldn’t even mention LSU losing 2 players.
Bull crap. There would be a thread at least talking about how Cal got lucky.
 

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Bull crap. There would be a thread at least talking about how Cal got lucky.
Now that’s the bull crap 💩
We scored 3 points over an 11 minute span. Good teams don’t do that. I don’t care who’s missing from the team.
Duke still beat our arse with Banchero cramping up nearly the entire 2nd half.
 
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Tubbyfan78

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There’s no comparison. Stoops is 10x the coach Cal is at their respective sports. That being said, it’s not the same missing players without time to prepare.
 

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Lo effing l. Did you watch that game. It was just like this. Was a rock fight and took two big plays to win.

Our shots didn’t fall and we weee ina. Hostile environment playing 8 vs 5.
Really? One team shot 20 FT, the other shot 15. I'll let you try and figure out who is who.
If the Cats don't get every call, most on here blame every loss on the officials. Victim mentality at its finest
 
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bbnkat02

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Really? One team shot 20 FT, the other shot 15. I'll let you try and figure out who is who.
If the Cats don't get every call, most on here blame evey loss on the officials. Victim mentality at its finest
Even BILAS was calling out the piss poor officiating last night. Come on.
 
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The football team has young, inexperienced, talented guys who play the same/similar position as the guys who go down. Linebacker was probably our worst hit position in the bowl game - but our roster has 21 guys listed at linebacker.
 

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The difference is Cal is not considered successful unless he makes the final four. Stoops is considered successful if he makes the Freakin' Citrus Bowl which is equivalent to just making the round of 64 and Kentucky football is like being the equivalent to Loyola-Maryland or Belmont or Utah State or San Diego St. in basketball. Apples and Oranges.
This ....awful. And funny. It made me laugh out loud.
 

bbnkat02

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Explain to me the calls that changed the game in LSU's favor.
There were several missed out of bounds calls. Several. How many times did Oscar get shoved with no call. Hell Grady got shoved out of bounds on a three attempt right in front of an official and got nothing. It’s not about what does get called. It’s about consistency. Remember the fouls by committee last night? Where they called a fouls against LSU and then there was a discussion? Yeah. That’s never a good look.

Im not going to do a tape breakdown last night. No one reasonable could watch that game last night and call the good officiating. Not even close.

We’d got minutes where we couldn’t breathe on them. Then they’d go a couple of minutes where they got a phantom call. Then it was heavy handed on us. No. That was not good officiating for anyone last night. And that’s typical for this conference .
 

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There were several missed out of bounds calls. Several. How many times did Oscar get shoved with no call. Hell Grady got shoved out of bounds on a three attempt right in front of an official and got nothing. It’s not about what does get called. It’s about consistency. Remember the fouls by committee last night? Where they called a fouls against LSU and then there was a discussion? Yeah. That’s never a good look.

Im not going to do a tape breakdown last night. No one reasonable could watch that game last night and call the good officiating. Not even close.

We’d got minutes where we couldn’t breathe on them. Then they’d go a couple of minutes where they got a phantom call. Then it was heavy handed on us. No. That was not good officiating for anyone last night. And that’s typical for this conference .
This is ridiculous. No...it's ********. For a road game, UK got a decent whistle. And nobody said the officiating was "good". It rarely is. But to point to it as the reason UK lost is soft.
 

bbnkat02

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This is ridiculous. No...it's ********. For a road game, UK got a decent whistle. And nobody said the officiating was "good". It rarely is. But to point to it as the reason UK lost is soft.
I didn’t say it was the reason we lost. We lost due to not having three of our best players for extended periods and also having an off night at the line, which is unusual for us (we averaged 73% coming in).
 
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I didn’t say it was the reason we lost. We lost due to not having three of our best players for extended periods and also having an off night at the line, which is unusual for us (we averaged 73% coming in).
Why bring it up then? Because when you bring it up, you make the insinuation the officials determined the outcome of the game. Nothing could be further from the truth.
 
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bbnkat02

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Why bring it up then? Because when you bring it up, you make the insinuation the the officials determined the outcome of the game. Nothing could be further from the truth.
As I’ve said a thousand time before. Bad calls are bad calls and I will always comment on them. Win or lose. Because the quality of officiating in this conference is a joke.
 

mdlUK.1

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Why bring it up then? Because when you bring it up, you make the insinuation the the officials determined the outcome of the game. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Anyone that claims officiating did not affect the game, is just wrong. Should we have overcome the bad calls? Yes. Do you think they wouldn’t have called a T on UK for hanging and swinging on the rim?
 

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Wow, this was a really dumb post.

Did Stoops play without Levis and C-Rod or Levis and Robinson?

That is the equivalent of losing Wheeler and TyTy.

You do realize the depth chart in football, right?
Let me preface by saying I don’t like the comparison, either. But, 2019 was the example we should use to compare. Stoops lost Terry Wilson, his backup Sawyer Smith & the 3rd string QB, Nik Scalzo, was out for the year. That is the equivalent of having no PG. Except, Cal still had Mintz to rely on. He can play PG. Up until last night most of this board has praised Mintz for whatever reason & over inflated his importance & ability. But, all the sudden when Wheeler & TyTy go out those same ppl conveniently forget Mintz & we have nobody else who can possibly play PG, lol.

But, Stoops had to resort to playing a WR out of position to give his team a chance. The equivalent would be Cal having to play Brooks, Grady or Toppin at PG. And, he succeeded even though every defense we saw knew we couldn’t throw the ball & that we were the epitome of one dimensional offenses. But, even though they knew exactly what was coming we still managed 8 wins, including a bowl victory. Again, I don’t like the comparison bc there are way too many variables & differences. But, at least Cal had a guy who regularly gets minutes at PG. Stoops had a guy who had never played QB at the collegiate level & it happened in the middle of the season when he had zero time to prepare for anything. He did it on the fly in the best conference in the country.
 
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Anyone that claims officiating did not affect the game, is just wrong. Should we have overcome the bad calls? Yes. Do you think they wouldn’t have called a T on UK for hanging and swinging on the rim?
Explain the advantage LSU gained from officiating. When you outshoot you’re opponent from the FT line ON THE ROAD you typically got a pretty good whistle. Officiating sucks. We all know it. But injuries, lack of execution are the primary reasons UK lost. Not officiating.
 

chroix

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I was going to say this is more like losing all of your quarterbacks but Stoops did that and still won.
 
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bbnkat02

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I was going to say this is more like losing all of your quarterbacks but Stoops did that and still won.
LSU did that last night and got owned by KSU. At least there was that solace. I hope Brian Kelly loses every game down there. Big phony. He and Wade are made for each other.
 
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chroix

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LSU did that last night and got owned by KSU. At least there was that solace. I hope Brian Kelly loses every game down there. Big phony. He and Wade are made for each other.
No doubt. Brian Kelly sucks.
 

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Football has like 80 players
And out of those 80 players, like 79 of them are not 5 star players. Stoops has over achieved with what players this program can bring or football. UK has always been know as a basketball school. Cal has under achieved since 2015 with the amount of 5 star recruits he has had.

Another point is that Cal has talked in the past about making a team of “position-less” players. So now people want to make an excuse for him losing his point guard. First, what happened to “position less” players. Second, it was a common clean screen that took Wheeler out. Doesn’t he teach communication. Bilas even said somebody has to call that screen out. If you are gonna press their pg full court, you have to expect a screen is coming. Cal probably be like, “ make a play” or “you gotta fight through the screen not go around it”.
 
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