Steph Curry

[justanotherguy505]

Jordan was covered a lot tighter than this.

I don't think it's as far as wrestling, and I'm no NBA guru, it just seems bizarre.

Keep in mind, you've got a guy in this very thread that thinks he's the goat even admitting he's more open than Katina during catholic confession.

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Why do people try to find an excuse for Steph's success? I mean you whine about him not being guarded, have you seen the man when he is? It really doesn't matter. For the people saying he's better than MJ please stop. He's not that but he's far and away the best shooter of all time.

He is greater than Jordan, but yes, he is open a lot. Part of it is because he works harder than the defender. When I played, I ran all. the. time; people hate to guard me because I would run so much to get open.

 

[.S&C.]

Why do people try to find an excuse for Steph's success? I mean you whine about him not being guarded, have you seen the man when he is? It really doesn't matter. For the people saying he's better than MJ please stop. He's not that but he's far and away the best shooter of all time.

I don't know about an excuse, I'll even say he's on track to be the best shooter ever. I agree he's no Mj.

So far, everyone seems to be talking about this topic freely and with calm dialogue, putting no one down. Thanks for coming in and stirring it up.

 

[JerseyCat84_rivals57050]

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He is greater than Jordan, but yes, he is open a lot. Part of it is because he works harder than the defender. When I played, I ran all. the. time; people hate to guard me because I would run so much to get open.

He's definitely not better overall than Jordan. He's a better shooter, yes.

 

[akaukswoosh]

Dick EnbergVerified account ‏@Deohmy 1h1 hour ago
I've covered basketball for 60 years, thought "Pistol Pete and Bird were the best ever from LONG range. Curry is the best ever!!!!!!

 

[.S&C.]

Dick EnbergVerified account ‏@Deohmy 1h1 hour ago
I've covered basketball for 60 years, thought "Pistol Pete and Bird were the best ever from LONG range. Curry is the best ever!!!!!!

The only thing about pistol, is there was no three point line for a lot of his career , yes?

 

[akaukswoosh]

The only thing about pistol, is there was no three point line for a lot of his career , yes?

Only had the 3-point line the last 3 years of his pro career, and he was obviously a diminished player.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/maravpe01.html

 

[king of cali]

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He is greater than Jordan

Just stop. MJ did it at an elite level for well over a decade. This is, what, Curry's 3rd or 4th year at this level. GOAT greatness is sustained over a longer period of time. Steph has a bit to go yet.

 

[akaukswoosh]

Remarkable stat (if true!). Not like it's 5 or 6 shots.
The Motivator ‏@TheMotivator5 2h2 hours ago


Steph Curry is shooting 66% (35-for-53) on shots bewteen 28 feet & half court...66%! pic.twitter.com/X380cLJGbJ

 

[mjj_2K]

Oscar Robertson said that coaches have no clue on how to play defense, or guard Steph (Steph is still GOAT, but come on...). I watched a highlight featuring all 286 of his makes from last season. I think close to half were uncontested, or very poorly contested (the contest was AFTER the release), another quarter of them were semi-contested. He has only shot about 30 "very tightly guarded" threes (defender within two feet at the point of release). Not surprisingly, his percentage on such shots are not very good. I didn't watch the game, but I watched the Orlando highlights, and he was open, or semi-open on 8 out of 10 makes. It wouldn't surprise me if at least eight of his makes were poorly contested, or uncontested.

Oscar Robertson was a great, great player, but he's also a notorious diva, and world-class grouch who basically never has a good thing to say about anyone. Anything he says should be taken with a boulder of salt.

And what separates Curry is that it's damn near impossible to "closely guard" shots from 25-30 feet out. You try to crowd him too much out there, and it leaves the floor incredibly open, for him to drive, or for him to find an open teammate. It's a whole new thing for NBA coaches, because there's never, ever been anyone close to that deadly from those kind of distances.

 

[Ukbrassowtipin]

The other things you read about this team give you the feeling they're the best ever. When Varrejo was traded there, he said it was completely different. He said all teammates talk on the bench to one another, support each other, and if your on the floor Curry or Thompson don't care to pass up a good shot if yours is better. The guys are together all the time off the court and want to do what's best for the group.

Anyone can say, well back in my day do and so, but I've never seen a shooter of this caliber with the ball handling skills he possesses. I've also never seen an nba team as fun to watch because of their unselfishness and constant effort to get open, run sets, and set the other guy up.

 

[uky8unc5]

I know it may be premature, but I think he's the best 3 pt shooter ever.

I've watched since the 50's. Easily the best 3 pt shooter. I am not willing to proclaim Steph GOAT yet. He has some work to do.

 

[hotelblue]

durant had 37 points on 7-11 threes. that's ridiculous, and curry goes 12-16 lmao. just incredible shooting a higher % with five more attempts.

 

[Stonewall12]

Was hoping for a link. Knew that was asking too much.

 

[Saguaro Cat]

Just stop. MJ did it at an elite level for well over a decade. This is, what, Curry's 3rd or 4th year at this level. GOAT greatness is sustained over a longer period of time. Steph has a bit to go yet.

Not even 3 or 4 years. It's his first year at this level.

Before this year he never scored over 24 a game, his sixth season. Jordan averaged 37 in his third year.

He's barely averaging over 30 a game now. Jordan did that 8 times.

Curry this year is at 30.7 points, 6.6 assists, and 5.7 rebound a game. One year, Jordan went 32.5, 8, and 8.

In the history of the NBA, this isn't even a top 10 season. It's a good season.He's a good player. But he doesn't even make Top 50 list yet.

 

[1war_rivals62997]

Not even 3 or 4 years. It's his first year at this level.

Before this year he never scored over 24 a game, his sixth season. Jordan averaged 37 in his third year.

He's barely averaging over 30 a game now. Jordan did that 8 times.

Curry this year is at 30.7 points, 6.6 assists, and 5.7 rebound a game. One year, Jordan went 32.5, 8, and 8.

In the history of the NBA, this isn't even a top 10 season. It's a good season.He's a good player. But he doesn't even make Top 50 list yet.

The Bulls went 47-35 that year and lost to the Pistons in the ECF, GS is on pace to break the wins record. I think team success has to be factored in when evaluating players seasons.

 

[sa_hunt]

Steph is the greatest of all-time; I hope that this makes you believe. He is 22-31 in the last two games, and 24-33 for 72.7 percent from the three. I wanted 13 tonight, but I'll settle for a 12-16 night. He is now 37-55 from shots 28 feet and further. This isn't the best you'll see. He seriously could hit 20 threes in a game. If they bring in a four-point shot.......


However, WTF was Durant thinking? The league seems to go full retard late in games against the Warriors. It's almost seems scripted. Curry will get to 55-50-90 by the end of the season.

Curry >>>>>>>>> MJ + Wilt

greater than MJ or Wilt, Hahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahaha

 

[Teachable Moe]

The Bulls went 47-35 that year and lost to the Pistons in the ECF, GS is on pace to break the wins record. I think team success has to be factored in when evaluating players seasons.

Really, MJ (I've heard) was something of a ball hog.

 

[mjj_2K]

Not even 3 or 4 years. It's his first year at this level.

Before this year he never scored over 24 a game, his sixth season. Jordan averaged 37 in his third year.

He's barely averaging over 30 a game now. Jordan did that 8 times.

Curry this year is at 30.7 points, 6.6 assists, and 5.7 rebound a game. One year, Jordan went 32.5, 8, and 8.

In the history of the NBA, this isn't even a top 10 season. It's a good season.He's a good player. But he doesn't even make Top 50 list yet.

You are looking at the wrong statistics.

Curry is doing all he's doing while shooting 51.5%, hitting nearly 47% of a staggering 11 three point attempts per game. That's why his PER is nearly 33. Efficiency counts, and Curry right now is the most efficient player in the history of the game.

 

[sa_hunt]

GOAT

Um, No and he's not even close.

 

[sa_hunt]

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He is greater than Jordan, but yes, he is open a lot. Part of it is because he works harder than the defender. When I played, I ran all. the. time; people hate to guard me because I would run so much to get open.

You are delusional, Steph is not close to Jordan and you compare Steph.........to you. Hahahahahahahahahahahaha funniest thing I've ever read.

 

[sa_hunt]

Nobody mentions him as a defender. I really doubt MJ would of been on the bench during the game tying play at the end. To be the greatest you have to play BOTH sides of the ball. Curry is the best shooter I've ever seen I'll give you that but he isn't even in the top 50 of all around greatest players. He could crack the top 50 someday but today ain't it. If you think he is even close to the greatest now, well I don't know what that says about you. Unless you're 12.

 

[sa_hunt]

The other things you read about this team give you the feeling they're the best ever. When Varrejo was traded there, he said it was completely different. He said all teammates talk on the bench to one another, support each other, and if your on the floor Curry or Thompson don't care to pass up a good shot if yours is better. The guys are together all the time off the court and want to do what's best for the group.

Anyone can say, well back in my day do and so, but I've never seen a shooter of this caliber with the ball handling skills he possesses. I've also never seen an nba team as fun to watch because of their unselfishness and constant effort to get open, run sets, and set the other guy up.

They don't have a dominant center and I can name 15 all time teams better than this years Warriors.

 

[Teachable Moe]

They don't have a dominant center and I can name 15 all time teams better than this years Warriors.

No football team runs a T backfield and hands off to the fullback anymore, either. The game has changed. Kareem could hit 65% of his sky hooks and the Lakers would lose by 10.

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

Reasons he is so open:

1. He's crafty
2. He shoots from way back
3. You have to guard everybody, and they all spread you out. Can't double
4. They set a lot of moving picks
5. They demoralize you and make you give up
6. Freedom of movement
7. He can also put you on skates and blow by you

And he has such a quick shot, if you aren't all up within his grill with a hand up, he is already open. Then he'll just blow by you and score or pass it out to someone like Klay who will score

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

Jordan was covered a lot tighter than this.

I don't think it's as far as wrestling, and I'm no NBA guru, it just seems bizarre.

Keep in mind, you've got a guy in this very thread that thinks he's the goat even admitting he's more open than Katina during catholic confession.

That's because Jordan was a terrible shooter. And the rules were way different when he played. Remember, he played mostly during the era of thug ball.

 

[Aike]

And he has such a quick shot, if you aren't all up within his grill with a hand up, he is already open. Then he'll just blow by you and score or pass it out to someone like Klay who will score

Yeah, that release is legendary. In a way, he shoots the way we all did as kids before someone "fixed" our shot. All one motion, push shot.

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

1. Truth
2. Truth. However, a 28 foot open shot > a contested 24 foot shot.
3. Truth. But if Steph is shooting 70 percent, you might want to have someone else shoot. You might want to double him when he's hot.
4. Truth
5. Truth, but I don't think people quit as much in the 90's. If you ran into 15 moving picks a game with no calls, you might want to say "screw it" too.
6. Truth.
7. If he's shooting 70 percent from three, then give him a layup. He has a higher efficiency rating from 28 feet - 50 feet, then making 100 percent of two-point shots. His overall three-point percentage efficiency is almost as high as his layup efficiency.

Regarding 7, then you're prone to foul trouble as you don't want to give up layups, a layup and a free throw is more efficient than a 28+ foot shot plus it gets a player one foul closer to fouling out and gets your team one foul closer to the bonus.

 

[Teachable Moe]

That's because Jordan was a terrible shooter.

I suspect someone is pulling our collective leg. Jordan was a career .495 shooter. (.505 if you discount his late career comeback) Through most of his career he varied widely as a 3 pt shooter (good to rotten), but that's a different kettle of fish.

 

[mjj_2K]

They don't have a dominant center and I can name 15 all time teams better than this years Warriors.

No. You think you can name 15 all time teams better than the Warriors, but you're completely delusional.

The Warriors are completely dominant right now, so the only argument you can make is that basketball today is somehow inferior to basketball at some other, earlier date. And the preponderance of evidence, and just basic logic, says you're 100% wrong about that. There is 0 reason the game would somehow regress.

 

[rick64]

Curry is ridiculously good!!

 

[KA4Prez_rivals78700]

Not that it matters (because it doesn't) but did UK try to recruit him? When I see an NBA star playing well I always wonder.

He's incredible.

Nobody recruited him. Everyone missed on him.

 

[wildcatsboston1984_rivals]

I suspect someone is pulling our collective leg. Jordan was a career .495 shooter. (.505 if you discount his late career comeback) Through most of his career he varied widely as a 3 pt shooter (good to rotten), but that's a different kettle of fish.

Shooter and FG% are not one in the same. If it was, Shaq would be a great shooter. Jordan shot 32.7% from three for his career. He had four good to great 3 point shooting seasons, but over the length of his career, if a team's defense forced him to shoot a three, you could pretty much chalk that up to a good defensive possession.

Not including his two short seasons of under 20 games, he only shot above 32% from three in for four of his 11 seasons - 90, 93, 96, and 97. Those are also the only 4 seasons in which he made more than 30 three pointers. It took him FIVE seasons to finally make his 40th three pointer. FIVE SEASONS.

In the last four games, Stephen Curry has made 33 three pointers. Jordan only made more than 33 three pointers in four seasons

 

[brianpoe]

Steph is the greatest of all-time; I hope that this makes you believe. He is 22-31 in the last two games, and 24-33 for 72.7 percent from the three. I wanted 13 tonight, but I'll settle for a 12-16 night. He is now 37-55 from shots 28 feet and further. This isn't the best you'll see. He seriously could hit 20 threes in a game. If they bring in a four-point shot.......


However, WTF was Durant thinking? The league seems to go full retard late in games against the Warriors. It's almost seems scripted. Curry will get to 55-50-90 by the end of the season.

Curry >>>>>>>>> MJ + Wilt

Great shooter, great player. Still not better than MJ.

 

[Stonewall12]

Nobody mentions him as a defender. I really doubt MJ would of been on the bench during the game tying play at the end. To be the greatest you have to play BOTH sides of the ball. Curry is the best shooter I've ever seen I'll give you that but he isn't even in the top 50 of all around greatest players. He could crack the top 50 someday but today ain't it. If you think he is even close to the greatest now, well I don't know what that says about you. Unless you're 12.

He is top 50.

All time NBA team... He is my starting PG

 

[brianpoe]

If you just heard, then you may not be qualified to choose.

So many young guys.

Seth has been great last year and this year.

But how many times have we seen this?

So many players were better than Jordan because they had a great couple of seasons.

But dismiss MJ after consistent great play every single season along with:

6 NBA rings

6 championships MVPs

5 League MVPs

14 All Star games

NBA Defensive player of the year

9 NBA defensive 1st Teams

10 NBA scoring titles

3 NBA steals titles



Steph Curry

1 Title

1 MVP

3 All Star games



If people want to predict that Steph will become the GOAT, I'm ok with that, but to say he is now, looks pretty lame when comparing the all around player and the team's success.

I will go ahead and predict Steph will not:

Win 6 titles on one team

Win 6 MVPs

Ever be defensive player of the year, nor make five 1st team all defensive teams

Ever win 10 scoring titles

Ever lead the league in steals.


If he does and continues to shoot this great then yes I will concede, but until then we have seen this proclamation many times before.

 

[Teachable Moe]

Shooter and FG% are not one in the same. If it was, Shaq would be a great shooter. Jordan shot 32.7% from three for his career. He had four good to great 3 point shooting seasons, but over the length of his career, if a team's defense forced him to shoot a three, you could pretty much chalk that up to a good defensive possession.

Not including his two short seasons of under 20 games, he only shot above 32% from three in for four of his 11 seasons - 90, 93, 96, and 97. Those are also the only 4 seasons in which he made more than 30 three pointers. It took him FIVE seasons to finally make his 40th three pointer. FIVE SEASONS.

Jordan wasn't 7' tall. Shooting in traffic is still shooting. Bernard King was a great, great shooter (career .518 from 2) and I never saw him attempt a 3. (Career 3%: .172) Shooting from the 3 line isn't the end-all and be-all of shooting.

 

[WildMoon]

Yeah,

Curry got a long ways to go before being called GOAT.

But, He's having one of the best season in recent memory. Definitely should be ahead of Lebron. If there isn't any injury, i'm sure he'll be ahead of Lebron.

It's fun watching Curry play.

 

[Teachable Moe]

If you just heard, then you may not be qualified to choose..

Apparently, being facetious doesn't translate over the intertubes.

 

[WildMoon]

BTW

MJ's CAREER scoring average is 30.1 ppg.

Steph Curry this season is averaging 30.7 ppg.

 

[brianpoe]

Apparently, being facetious doesn't translate over the intertubes.

I actually thought about that after I posted, it isnt the intertube's fault, it is my inner head's lack of comprehension.