Steph Curry GOAT

[Shamoan]

Tonight, he just broke his his own NBA record he set last year by hitting 288 3's in a single season, tied a single game NBA record by hitting 12 3's in a single game (12 of 15 if I recall correctly), hit a game winning 35 footer (thats 2 or 3 steps past half court), and oh, by the way, has a better record than the 95-96 bulls, at 53-5, currently. That dude is fun to watch.

 

[coach66]

Not according to the big O, Oscar Robertson. Big O says poor defense and bad

Coaching have made Curry. I don't watch enough to know but his numbers and headlines are
freakish.
http://thebiglead.com/2016/02/26/oscar-robertson-stephen-curry-51-points/

 

[DerHntr]

It has little to do with poor defense. Curry's shots are very often contested well behind the three point line. He is just flat out deadly from back there.

I haven't been an NBA fan since Jordan. Curry is reeling me back in.

 

[Dawg1976]

It has little to do with poor defense. Curry's shots are very often contested well behind the three point line. He is just flat out deadly from back there.

I haven't been an NBA fan since Jordan. Curry is reeling me back in.

Same here. I watch a little when he's on the tube.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Curry takes contested shots all the time and drains them. That or he's so far beyond the line you can't afford to defend him without being hung out to dry. Curry has the freedom to do whatever he wants because the rest of his team is good too. It's not like you can double team him that much because then it exposes wide open looks for others.

 

[KurtRambis4]

There's not much you can do

defensively, for a guy that is 50% from 30' and beyond.

 

[mstateglfr]

Coaching have made Curry. I don't watch enough to know but his numbers and headlines are
freakish.
http://thebiglead.com/2016/02/26/oscar-robertson-stephen-curry-51-points/

Yeah, the explayers who are knocking Currys accomplishments and the teams accomplishments come off as bitter and jealous. They want their time and history in the NBA to not be forgotten sonthey tear down curry and yhe warriors.

 

[anon1787432961]

Coaching have made Curry. I don't watch enough to know but his numbers and headlines are
freakish.
http://thebiglead.com/2016/02/26/oscar-robertson-stephen-curry-51-points/

The NBA game has been evolving to winning based on just outscoring your opponent. The average talent has risen and with the 3 point shot and rules related to zone defense and double teaming / spacing, Curry is showing that all you have to do is outscore the other team. Its really come down to shooting percentages between the two teams, with or without defense. All of the NBA is headed this direction, Curry is just accelerating the trend.

 

[jdbulldog]

That game last night was incredible.

 

[tcdog70]

Yeah, the explayers who are knocking Currys accomplishments and the teams accomplishments come off as bitter and jealous. They want their time and history in the NBA to not be forgotten sonthey tear down curry and yhe warriors.

They have changed the rules. No hand checking allowed. When The big "O" played up until the Bully Pistons defense ways played way different. Oscar averaged aTriple Double for a season.

 

[PineGroveBully]

Had that game last night been a basketball movie

We'd all have turned it off saying it was to unrealistic. Curry was simply unconscious last night.

 

[mstateglfr]

They have changed the rules. No hand checking allowed. When The big "O" played up until the Bully Pistons defense ways played way different. Oscar averaged aTriple Double for a season.

Yup, Im aware of how the rules have changed. All the more reason for O and others to sound bitter and petty- the game is played differently and as a result, it has created a different type of valued player.
No longer are lumbering 7'ers valued as much as they were 20 years ago. Stretch 4s are now highly coveted. Faster paced small ball has taken the place of half court slow down offense.
Etc etc etc.
Different game brings different talent.

ALL the players currently in the NBA are there because their games fit the current NBA style of play. The ex-players who cry that their old team(s) would beat the current Warriors are being babies crying for a toy. Their teams were created around the rules of the game back then. Place them in the current NBA and who knows. They might be great or they might be slow and incapable of keeping up with the game.



Any way O, you, or other ex-players try to spin it- claiming Curry is basically a joke and the current Warriors are weaker than teams of yesteryear comes off as bitter and petty. The game is different, just like it was different for O when compared to hanging peach baskets in dance halls 100 or however many years ago.
Comparing the styles of the game is like comparing apples to...peaches.

 

[johnson86-1]

They have changed the rules. No hand checking allowed. When The big "O" played up until the Bully Pistons defense ways played way different. Oscar averaged aTriple Double for a season.

It's funny listening to Oscar complain about lack of defense. His era wasn't exactly known for defense.

Also, while there have been rule changes in the offenses favor, there haev also been changes in the defenses favor. Being able to zone, combined with having guys that are 6'8 to 6'10 that can defend on the perimeter has completely changed defenses. The Piston's defense might be pretty damn tough compared to ones today, but generally, when I see older games, I see a lot more uncontested 15 foot shots than I see when I watch today.

 

[Drebin]

Tonight, he just broke his his own NBA record he set last year by hitting 288 3's in a single season, tied a single game NBA record by hitting 12 3's in a single game (12 of 15 if I recall correctly), hit a game winning 35 footer (thats 2 or 3 steps past half court), and oh, by the way, has a better record than the 95-96 bulls, at 53-5, currently. That dude is fun to watch.

He's not the greatest. He might be the greatest long range shooter. It's just a different game now. He wouldn't be doing this against the 80s Celtics or the 90s Pistons or Bulls

 

[Hankp22]

The thing that doesn't get mentioned

GST has a double digit point differential which means Curry often sits large minutes in the second half. He plays 32 mpg. He sits more than 33% of basketball games. If you put everyone on a 36min evaluation, then his numbers are off the charts.

Going back to the beginning of last year:

GST is 136-25 (including the NBA Playoffs)
GST is 63-2 at home in regular season games
They only lost 1 home game in the 2015 calendar year (reg season games...best in NBA history)
They have maintained a double digit point differential throughout that time span.

People forget that Curry has been through 3 head coaches and missed pretty much a year with his ankle injury. He didn't make the immediate impact that starts of today make (Shaq, Kobe, Lebron, KD, etc). It took him longer for a number of reasons. But now that he has polished his game, his numbers should be measured against the elite. And if he can string together 3-4 more years and win another championship or two, he belongs in the GOAT discussion.

People also don't factor in his ability to create from 25-35 ft from the basket. Most 3pt shooters are catch and shoot coming off of screens. Curry can obviously do that, but I'd argue many of his 3pt shots come off the bounce/creation. There hasn't been a player in modern NBA that can create with the efficiency he does.

Golden State plays a new brand of basketball. They spread the floor and maximize the full 45 feet of the offensive side of the floor. Their big guys are versatile and some of the best passing big men in the league. It is modern basketball but guys like Livingston and Draymond bring that toughness. Draymond belongs on those late 80s Pistons teams. You don't see that guy around in the modern NBA. I love the 17u attitude he has. Rodmanesque.

 

[olblue.sixpack]

We'd all have turned it off saying it was to unrealistic. Curry was simply unconscious last night.

He's so good offensively that he makes it seem as if he is cheating.

 

[dorndawg]

"He's putting helium in the ball!" - Jackie Sherrill, probably

 

[Philly Dawg]

There is no "might" about it. Curry is definitely the greatest three point shooter of all time. Whether he's better than LeBron is more debatable, but an argument can be made. And if he keeps this up the all time argument will be made.

 

[tcdog70]

Rick Barry, Jerry West or Bird would have a field day with today's game. Tiny Archibald said Bird would average 40 today. And Tiny is a scout today.

 

[seshomoru]

Two days later and I'm still laughing at this.

But yeah... keeping score really changed how the game was played.

 

[Drebin]

Rick Barry, Jerry West or Bird would have a field day with today's game. Tiny Archibald said Bird would average 40 today. And Tiny is a scout today.

Larry Bird's numbers dwarf Lebron's if you compared them season to season.

 

[dorndawg]

Not sure what you mean by "compare season to season", but they are actually at a pretty similar point in regular-season minutes played. Lebron has 5,000 more points, more assists, a few more steals, and has basically shot the same fg%. Larry Legend has a good lead in rebounding. I'd hardly call one set of stats here "dwarfing" the other.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/birdla01.html

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html

 

[Rayburn8]

If Curry played on any other team he would not hold a candle to Durant, Lebron, Davis or Westbrook.

Steph Curry is a product of the Warrior's greatness not the other way around. He is so good because teams can't focus their entire defense on him because of the depth of the Warriors. He may be like 5-8 on the top ten. But he is not better than the four listed above.

Edit to add: three point shooting wise. Ya he is definitely the greatest three point shooter of all-time.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

yeah LeBron's teammates suck

Steph Curry is a product of the Warrior's greatness not the other way around. He is so good because teams can't focus their entire defense on him because of the depth of the Warriors./QUOTE]

Who would you rather have, Love and Irving or West and Green?
You could say the Warrior's are better coached, but LeBron picked the coach too.

 

[Rayburn8]

Steph Curry is a product of the Warrior's greatness not the other way around. He is so good because teams can't focus their entire defense on him because of the depth of the Warriors./QUOTE]

Who would you rather have, Love and Irving or West and Green?
You could say the Warrior's are better coached, but LeBron picked the coach too.

I would take Iggy, Barnes, Green,and Klay a billion out of a billion times over Love, Irving, Thompson and........idk I guess that Australian pg. Who the 17 else is on the cavs.

To sit here and say that the Cavs (outside of Lebron) have a better roster than the Warriors (without Curry) is quite possible the dumbest thing I've read on this board. Or any message board for that matter.

I'm not even getting into coaching.

 

[mstateglfr]

If Curry played on any other team he would not hold a candle to Durant, Lebron, Davis or Westbrook.

Steph Curry is a product of the Warrior's greatness not the other way around. He is so good because teams can't focus their entire defense on him because of the depth of the Warriors. He may be like 5-8 on the top ten. But he is not better than the four listed above.

Edit to add: three point shooting wise. Ya he is definitely the greatest three point shooter of all-time.

So to TLDR what you just said- great players(and people) are often times made that way due to circumstances and those around them.

Yup, thats been known for centuries. Brilliant.

 

[oxfordrebel22]

I'll throw my two cents in here.. what I have found is that most of those that diminish how good Curry is, or try and pigeon hole him into being "just a shooter", haven't watched him play very much. The dude is unbelievable. Yes, the Warriors are good. But, a good portion of what they do is based on all the things Curry opens up. Teams are having to guard him out to 40 feet now. The dude is shooting a higher percentage from 28-50 feet than anyone else is from THE PAINT. Think about that... And that's not because of some small sample size where he's 5/7 or anything... It's on 53 shots.

I encourage any of you that love a good sporting event of any kind to go look up the 4th quarter and OT from this past Saturday's game at OKC and watch Curry. He's hitting pull-up, heavily contested 3's, and they aren't even touching the rim. It's unreal, and it's as exciting as anything I've seen in sports (oustide of Brent Schaefer of course). He comes off a pick, 7 footer Steven Adams puts his hand in Curry's face, bang, doesn't matter. He takes an off balance, wrong foot leading, fade away 3 with Westbrook in his face, bang, doesn't matter. He takes an off the bounce, heavily contested 3 from the right center, bang, doesn't matter. And then he pulls up from 38 feet on a fast break for the game winner, and everyone in the stadium, and every person watching KNEW it was going in. It was as cold blooded as any shot you'll ever see.

I don't know if he's the GOAT, he's got a long way to go before I can say that.. but, he's definitely the most exciting thing to watch in sports at the moment. And he just happens to be built about like the rest of us, and not 6'9 and chiseled by a Greek God like the rest of them.. which just adds to the absurdity of watching him make fools out of people.

 

[jethreauxdawg]

my bad

I meant Thompson, not sure where West came from.
I believe Love and Irving are better than Green and Thompson. I think LeBron's supporting cast, is as good or better than Curry's.

 

[saltslugs]

You are just so incredibly wrong. The Warriors score 25.6 points more per 100 possessions when Curry is on the court compared to when he is off. Furthermore, this isn't just offense, the Warriors are much better when he's on the court for both offense and defense. If you think that is a result of him playing alongside the starters, you'd be wrong. The Warriors are (if I'm not mistaken) 18-35 without Curry since he joined the team.

Without question, Curry does more for his team than anyone else in the league.