State of the Program?

[BHeinDaHuskers]

Lets face it.

• Culture isn't anywhere near what Frost wants.
• Most players are not at the talent level the coaches want
• Coaches are getting schooled in how to make adjustments
  
• Top 3 quarterbacks are all hurt or injured
• Running backs (besides Robinson) are not real explosive
  
• Offensive line doesn't have depth, & the starters are not getting the job done
• Defensive line (besides Stille) cant get to the quarterback (why isnt Stille starting?)
  
• Linebackers -- See Offensive line ---
• Defensive backs have done well considering all the other positions but is that saying alot?
  
• We don't have a kicker or punter that is consistent or can do their job 8 out of 10 times
• Yes we could add about 30 more bullet points but everyone gets the point!

Lets face it, the program is a hot freaking mess. Not much of anything is working at this point. Every single complaint that is logged on this board is correct to some degree (except the conspiracy theory, that boy needs to switch to Prozac).

Here is what I just don't seem to understand.

Nebraska has a higher recruiting ranking than every single big ten west team for the last (dozen at least) years yet we are getting whipped more than a carton of eggs at a Denny's.

So its either the rankings are all messed up, the players we have gotten might be talented but have wrong attitudes, coaches are young and not ready for Power 5 football, or all of thee above. I tend to think its got to be a strong dose of all of thee above. Its like a perfect storm that keeps repeating itself every year for the past 20 years. How can all of these things seem to repeat for Nebraska but other teams seem to get it fixed?

Heck even Kansas football is showing more in year one of Les Miles than Nebraska has in the last 5 years. Kansas would whip our butt right now. I just don't get it! KANSAS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!

When will this nightmare end?!!! My love of football is being replaced by cynicism and contempt. I'm 50 years old and I'm wondering if I'll ever see Nebraska football, not winning championship, but just being relevant in the college football national landscape. At this point I don't know if Nebraska will be relevant again.

 

[Crazyhole]

IMO, the problems really boil down to 3 main points:

Terrible OL recruiting under Riley. To my knowledge we have zero attrition across the line and of all of the players that Riley recruited, only Jaimes is a quality player.

Transitioning to a spread offense from a pro-style. We basically lost 2 full classes of skill position players due to attrition.

Transitioning to a 3-4 from a 4-3. We only have 2 classes worth of DL and LBs to work with that were recruited for this system.

 

[dinglefritz]

IMO, the problems really boil down to 3 main points:

Terrible OL recruiting under Riley. To my knowledge we have zero attrition across the line and of all of the players that Riley recruited, only Jaimes is a quality player.

Transitioning to a spread offense from a pro-style. We basically lost 2 full classes of skill position players due to attrition.

Transitioning to a 3-4 from a 4-3. We only have 2 classes worth of DL and LBs to work with that were recruited for this system.

Turning over coaches normally means some period of adjustment. It's one of the reasons that TO insisted that Pelini keep Watson on as an OC. I agree that we lost most of a recruiting class in the transition. Now unfortunately we're going to have to live with some of those guys too from Frost's transition class for a while. Hopefully if they don't play they'll decide to go elsewhere. IMO, the freshman class including McCaffrey, Nelson and Wandale are going to be the bell cow for this program. They're going to be the guys to lead us back to winning ways.

 

[ssmill777]

Lets face it.

• Culture isn't anywhere near what Frost wants.
• Most players are not at the talent level the coaches want
• Coaches are getting schooled in how to make adjustments
  
• Top 3 quarterbacks are all hurt or injured
• Running backs (besides Robinson) are not real explosive
  
• Offensive line doesn't have depth, & the starters are not getting the job done
• Defensive line (besides Stille) cant get to the quarterback (why isnt Stille starting?)
  
• Linebackers -- See Offensive line ---
• Defensive backs have done well considering all the other positions but is that saying alot?
  
• We don't have a kicker or punter that is consistent or can do their job 8 out of 10 times
• Yes we could add about 30 more bullet points but everyone gets the point!

Lets face it, the program is a hot freaking mess. Not much of anything is working at this point. Every single complaint that is logged on this board is correct to some degree (except the conspiracy theory, that boy needs to switch to Prozac).

Here is what I just don't seem to understand.

Nebraska has a higher recruiting ranking than every single big ten west team for the last (dozen at least) years yet we are getting whipped more than a carton of eggs at a Denny's.

So its either the rankings are all messed up, the players we have gotten might be talented but have wrong attitudes, coaches are young and not ready for Power 5 football, or all of thee above. I tend to think its got to be a strong dose of all of thee above. Its like a perfect storm that keeps repeating itself every year for the past 20 years. How can all of these things seem to repeat for Nebraska but other teams seem to get it fixed?

Heck even Kansas football is showing more in year one of Les Miles than Nebraska has in the last 5 years. Kansas would whip our butt right now. I just don't get it! KANSAS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!

When will this nightmare end?!!! My love of football is being replaced by cynicism and contempt. I'm 50 years old and I'm wondering if I'll ever see Nebraska football, not winning championship, but just being relevant in the college football national landscape. At this point I don't know if Nebraska will be relevant again.

Lets face it.

• Culture isn't anywhere near what Frost wants.
• Most players are not at the talent level the coaches want
• Coaches are getting schooled in how to make adjustments
  
• Top 3 quarterbacks are all hurt or injured
• Running backs (besides Robinson) are not real explosive
  
• Offensive line doesn't have depth, & the starters are not getting the job done
• Defensive line (besides Stille) cant get to the quarterback (why isnt Stille starting?)
  
• Linebackers -- See Offensive line ---
• Defensive backs have done well considering all the other positions but is that saying alot?
  
• We don't have a kicker or punter that is consistent or can do their job 8 out of 10 times
• Yes we could add about 30 more bullet points but everyone gets the point!

Lets face it, the program is a hot freaking mess. Not much of anything is working at this point. Every single complaint that is logged on this board is correct to some degree (except the conspiracy theory, that boy needs to switch to Prozac).

Here is what I just don't seem to understand.

Nebraska has a higher recruiting ranking than every single big ten west team for the last (dozen at least) years yet we are getting whipped more than a carton of eggs at a Denny's.

So its either the rankings are all messed up, the players we have gotten might be talented but have wrong attitudes, coaches are young and not ready for Power 5 football, or all of thee above. I tend to think its got to be a strong dose of all of thee above. Its like a perfect storm that keeps repeating itself every year for the past 20 years. How can all of these things seem to repeat for Nebraska but other teams seem to get it fixed?

Heck even Kansas football is showing more in year one of Les Miles than Nebraska has in the last 5 years. Kansas would whip our butt right now. I just don't get it! KANSAS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!

When will this nightmare end?!!! My love of football is being replaced by cynicism and contempt. I'm 50 years old and I'm wondering if I'll ever see Nebraska football, not winning championship, but just being relevant in the college football national landscape. At this point I don't know if Nebraska will be relevant again.

I don't think Neb. will ever be relevant again. I hate to say I have waited 20 yrs for them to look like a decent team, and it hasn't happened yet and it looks light yrs away. This is looking like another 4-8 season (3 in a row), and our hole just keeps getting deeper. This season will affect recruiting. And the snowball of problems just gets larger. But there's always Basketball & Volleyball right?

 

[dinglefritz]

Meh. I'm hanging my hat on the freshman class. We've got the offensive weapons now and just need to put better players on the field on D. I think we'll get there. Good heavens if Mike Riley could win 8 I think Frost can build a winner at NU.

 

[Headcard]

IMO, the problems really boil down to 3 main points:

Terrible OL recruiting under Riley. To my knowledge we have zero attrition across the line and of all of the players that Riley recruited, only Jaimes is a quality player.

Transitioning to a spread offense from a pro-style. We basically lost 2 full classes of skill position players due to attrition.

Transitioning to a 3-4 from a 4-3. We only have 2 classes worth of DL and LBs to work with that were recruited for this system.

Very good point about changing schemes. The going back and forth from pro style to the spread has been tough on us and moving to the 3-4 has been brutal.

 

[cecilB]

Recruiting sites are messed up, and we have a weird strategy of offering virtually everyone vs in-depth analysis of guys that fit to a T what the system/culture needs.

And, we also hired an extremely novice coach that every week goes up against really seasoned coaches that, just like ours, have reached the 99.999 percentile of their chosen profession of coaching football

 

[tpmcg_rivals137159]

Meh. I'm hanging my hat on the freshman class. We've got the offensive weapons now and just need to put better players on the field on D. I think we'll get there. Good heavens if Mike Riley could win 8 I think Frost can build a winner at NU.

i so friggin hope so...

 

[9and4_rivals188421]

Lets face it.

• Culture isn't anywhere near what Frost wants.
• Most players are not at the talent level the coaches want
• Coaches are getting schooled in how to make adjustments
  
• Top 3 quarterbacks are all hurt or injured
• Running backs (besides Robinson) are not real explosive
  
• Offensive line doesn't have depth, & the starters are not getting the job done
• Defensive line (besides Stille) cant get to the quarterback (why isnt Stille starting?)
  
• Linebackers -- See Offensive line ---
• Defensive backs have done well considering all the other positions but is that saying alot?
  
• We don't have a kicker or punter that is consistent or can do their job 8 out of 10 times
• Yes we could add about 30 more bullet points but everyone gets the point!

Lets face it, the program is a hot freaking mess. Not much of anything is working at this point. Every single complaint that is logged on this board is correct to some degree (except the conspiracy theory, that boy needs to switch to Prozac).

Here is what I just don't seem to understand.

Nebraska has a higher recruiting ranking than every single big ten west team for the last (dozen at least) years yet we are getting whipped more than a carton of eggs at a Denny's.

So its either the rankings are all messed up, the players we have gotten might be talented but have wrong attitudes, coaches are young and not ready for Power 5 football, or all of thee above. I tend to think its got to be a strong dose of all of thee above. Its like a perfect storm that keeps repeating itself every year for the past 20 years. How can all of these things seem to repeat for Nebraska but other teams seem to get it fixed?

Heck even Kansas football is showing more in year one of Les Miles than Nebraska has in the last 5 years. Kansas would whip our butt right now. I just don't get it! KANSAS FOR CRYING OUT LOUD!!

When will this nightmare end?!!! My love of football is being replaced by cynicism and contempt. I'm 50 years old and I'm wondering if I'll ever see Nebraska football, not winning championship, but just being relevant in the college football national landscape. At this point I don't know if Nebraska will be relevant again.

Other than that, Mrs. Lincoln, did you enjoy the play?
:Cool:

 

[HuskerLLM]

Recruiting sites are messed up, and we have a weird strategy of offering virtually everyone vs in-depth analysis of guys that fit to a T what the system/culture needs.

And, we also hired an extremely novice coach that every week goes up against really seasoned coaches that, just like ours, have reached the 99.999 percentile of their chosen profession of coaching football

Your point about the offers is real IMO...too much time spent seeing and offering 450ish players vs developing relationships and RECRUITING a player

 

[Jimmy Frank]

I don't think Neb. will ever be relevant again. I hate to say I have waited 20 yrs for them to look like a decent team, and it hasn't happened yet and it looks light yrs away. This is looking like another 4-8 season (3 in a row), and our hole just keeps getting deeper. This season will affect recruiting. And the snowball of problems just gets larger. But there's always Basketball & Volleyball right?

Aww boo hoo. Game day was here this year but ok.

 

[Anon1750875978]

The easy answer if fans think recruiting is above average... coaches aren't good at development.

It really isn't complicated.

Five different coaches in the last twenty years sounds like something Kansas would do.

 

[Jimmy Frank]

The easy answer if fans think recruiting is above average... coaches aren't good at development.

It really isn't complicated.

Five different coaches in the last twenty years sounds like something Kansas would do.

Heck a coaching staff could be below average and have good consistency after the 5 year mark. It would be nice to have the same staff for 4 at this point.

 

[Bleed Husker Red]

IT STILL MEANS SOMETHING TO BEAT NEBRASKA!!!!!!!!!! Go see the tweets from Indiana coach and AD calling it a signature win.

Nobody gets up to beat or play Kansas, or Kstate, or Iowa st. That is why it is so hard to build a winner again at a blue blood everyone wants to knock you down.

Pelini would recruit linemen one year to run sweeps and pulling plays, the next year road graders. We were all over the place under him.

Riley benefited from the Nebraska star bump inflation and of course players opposite of what Pelini was doing and Froat.

Frost has had one transition class and last year. They have filled the QB room better than any coach since TO.

RB Washington and Robinson have been electric. Still some gaps. Recruits look strong.

WR small guys A+, everyone else F

TE should be set for a few years

o line last years class on paper seemed solid Need to take no less than 4 per year for a few years. Walkons will help in a few years.

Defense. I just dont know man. I just think our region spits out guys suited for a 4 - 3 not what we are doing. Then reach to the coasts and south for the backfield.

 

[HuskersNC]

I think others have posted it ad nauseum: the recruiting rankings meant jack, guys like Keyshawn Jr and Tyjon Lindsey were highly rated prospects and turned out to be worth less than a truckload of dead rats in a tampon factory :shrug:

I don't guarantee success under Frost by any stretch, but I do think the things beyond his control are still enough of an issue for me to give him the 7 year contract he signed. He can learn and adapt while staying true to his core system of accountability and all that crap, I think the foundation is still going to be solid going forward, and hope that it's just a matter of recruiting players that are locked in on gameday. Whether they do that or not will make or break the staff, obviously. That will take a little while yet to determine, no amount of hand-wringing and speculation will speed it up (I realize the irony of my speculation.)

 

[redwine65]

for a few times during the game when we were moving the ball in a hurry up offense I seen what frost is trying to do.
I can't remember another time this year I seen that, there's been big plays but not really driving the field like this game

 

[dinglefritz]

Your point about the offers is real IMO...too much time spent seeing and offering 450ish players vs developing relationships and RECRUITING a player

you contact that many guys who might fit what you want. You gauge interest and follow their high school career. There is NO WAY we send out 450 official offers. No way. When a kid says he has an offer from NU, take it with a grain of salt.

 

[73 Red I]

Aww boo hoo. Game day was here this year but ok.

Game day was also at NDSU and SDSU game.

 

[HuskerLLM]

you contact that many guys who might fit what you want. You gauge interest and follow their high school career. There is NO WAY we send out 450 official offers. No way. When a kid says he has an offer from NU, take it with a grain of salt.

I fully understand how it works, I was a scholarship college athlete...staff spent too much time with the wide net this cycle

 

[Huskred01]

Riley would’ve killed for half of the excuses that people throw out for Frost.

Mike has to be wondering where all of these fan passes were last year.

 

[Jimmy Frank]

Game day was also at NDSU and SDSU game.

And? You’re saying ND State and SDSU aren’t relevant.