Stall ball

[kyjeff1]

Okay, I've heard and read a lot of comments over the years about Cal taking the air out of the ball at the end of games.

Today, our guys did the opposite and it almost cost UK the game .

Under 3 minutes with the ball and a 7 point lead.cwhy on Earth do we have Reid Travis taking a 15 footer with between 15 and 20 seconds on the shot clock?

Yeah well he missed it, well duh.

We went full November mode for 5 or 6 possessions there.

Run clock and you get the same or better shot. Heck, here's an idea, wait until there is 8 seconds on the clock and run an actual play.

I think Cal's stall ball tactic wins tough games.

 

[Kybluedude]

Kinda agreed with you. We rushed a couple.

 

[ZaytovenCat]

That was the only possession that happened. The rest involved us throwing it around to have Hagans finally make a move with 5 seconds left and end up forcing up a prayer. It’s almost always a turnover when we use up the whole shot clock.

 

[kyjeff1]

That was the only possession that happened. The rest involved us throwing it around to have Hagans finally make a move with 5 seconds left and end up forcing up a prayer. It’s almost always a turnover when we use up the whole shot clock.

Go back and watch from the 3 minute mark.

We had a 7 point lead and kept taking bad shot after bad shot with way too much time on the shot clock.

We were giving Wofford more possessions than they would have gotten if we took the clock down like we should have.

Today proved that taking quick shots results in young guys taking bad shots.

That doesn't mean you Andrew Harrison it and orchestrate 2 straight shot clock violations, but don't shoot it with 15 seconds on the clock with a lead with under 3 minutes to go.

But actually, Reid Travis took the worst of them all. 15 seconds on the clock, he took a 15 footer and missed it badly. It was an inctedincr bad shot.

 

[caneintally]

You are an utter moron if DON'T take the air out of the ball up 6 or more pts under 2 minutes. As you said that doesn't mean you get shot clock violations either but you take good shots with under 5 seconds on the shot clock. Now early in his career ( his first 2-3 seasons here ) he used to take the air out of the ball with 4-5 minutes to go and that did piss people off rightfully so but Cal hasn't done that in years . He learned his lesson.

 

[Snarks]

Yep, usually hate stall ball but I was screaming for them to hold the ball.

 

[LadyCaytIL]

Under 5 minutes...... you go stall ball with a 6 pt lead or more.......

the stall ball that frustrates everyone is when we do it with 10 minutes or so.....

 

[ZaytovenCat]

Under 5 with a 6 point lead? They could tie it in under 2 minutes easy.

Only time to start stalling at 5 minutes is if we are up 15+. If our lead is 5-10 points then we shouldn’t start stall ball until the 2 minute mark.

 

[wfm101981]

That was just a bad shot. Reid travis shouldnt be pulling jumpers past 10 feet under any circumstances
Bad example

 

[Kats23]

Issue is we were stall ball all game, not just at the end. That’s why we struggled to break 60. While I agree, we took some bad shots, I don’t think it was planned. I think the whole game was a half court mess and when the players saw an opening and a chance to ice the game they took it.

In the UT game we were up 8 with under 4 to go playing our game and when Cal went stall ball, it took us out of the game. It made us flat footed on offense and defense and UT was aggressive. If we would of just played our game for another 2-3 minutes, we win the UT game going away. My issue with Cal and his stall ball is he always goes to it too early. It’s never with under 2 minutes to go when you should. He starts limiting possessions at the under 8 minute when he has a double digit lead in the regular season, esp on the road.

In the tournament, he’s full on limiting possessions from the beginning. It’s incredibly frustrating and I think it’s lost more games than it’s won for us esp in the later rounds. I absolutely think you should be smart but aggressive when you have the lead late

 

[Wildcats1st]

Okay, I've heard and read a lot of comments over the years about Cal taking the air out of the ball at the end of games.

Today, our guys did the opposite and it almost cost UK the game .

Under 3 minutes with the ball and a 7 point lead.cwhy on Earth do we have Reid Travis taking a 15 footer with between 15 and 20 seconds on the shot clock?

Yeah well he missed it, well duh.

We went full November mode for 5 or 6 possessions there.

Run clock and you get the same or better shot. Heck, here's an idea, wait until there is 8 seconds on the clock and run an actual play.

I think Cal's stall ball tactic wins tough games.

We ran the clock down several of those 5 or 6 possessions. We played same pace all game. You can run clock and. Not take air out of ball. When the pt guard stands with ball runs 15 sec dribbling that’s taking air out. You can pass and move, run clock and that isn’t taking the air out. It’s staying at pace and staying alert. This stuff with pg standing is detrimental to pace

 

[bkat30120]

I think we generally take fewer bad shots than our opponents
I do wish we would initiate late game offense at the ten second mark rather than 5-7 seconds

 

[kyjeff1]

We ran the clock down several of those 5 or 6 possessions. We played same pace all game. You can run clock and. Not take air out of ball. When the pt guard stands with ball runs 15 sec dribbling that’s taking air out. You can pass and move, run clock and that isn’t taking the air out. It’s staying at pace and staying alert. This stuff with pg standing is detrimental to pace

You need to go back and watch the game from the 3 minute mark on. We weren't even paying attention to the clock, we we're just aimlessly running offense. Wofford got it down to 1, then we pulled our head out of our ***.

I mean, Hagans drove the lane, had a layup, but threw a lot to nobody instead.

 

[KyCatFan1]

This team makes a lot of poor decisions when we run the clock down. Sometimes we hit a last second shot and other times we take a bad shot or turn it over. It would be more effective with a more experienced team. I just hate when we are scoring well and decide to just shut it down with only a 2 or 3 possession game and way to much time left. Especially with really no one that can create their own shot very well.

 

[sluggercatfan]

Okay, I've heard and read a lot of comments over the years about Cal taking the air out of the ball at the end of games.

Today, our guys did the opposite and it almost cost UK the game .

Under 3 minutes with the ball and a 7 point lead.cwhy on Earth do we have Reid Travis taking a 15 footer with between 15 and 20 seconds on the shot clock?

Yeah well he missed it, well duh.

We went full November mode for 5 or 6 possessions there.

Run clock and you get the same or better shot. Heck, here's an idea, wait until there is 8 seconds on the clock and run an actual play.

I think Cal's stall ball tactic wins tough games.

We don't run actual plays.

 

[kuhlkat]

Under 5 minutes...... you go stall ball with a 6 pt lead or more.......

the stall ball that frustrates everyone is when we do it with 10 minutes or so.....

No way do you do that against Wofford. The #2 3 point shooting team in the country. A 6 point lead is 2 shots! We suck at stall ball so I prefer we keep running our offense.

 

[Poetax]

That was the only possession that happened. The rest involved us throwing it around to have Hagans finally make a move with 5 seconds left and end up forcing up a prayer. It’s almost always a turnover when we use up the whole shot clock.

Yeah it was more like a freshman PG making a few bad mistakes to me.

 

[kybassfan]

Okay, I've heard and read a lot of comments over the years about Cal taking the air out of the ball at the end of games.

Today, our guys did the opposite and it almost cost UK the game .

Under 3 minutes with the ball and a 7 point lead.cwhy on Earth do we have Reid Travis taking a 15 footer with between 15 and 20 seconds on the shot clock?

Yeah well he missed it, well duh.

We went full November mode for 5 or 6 possessions there.

Run clock and you get the same or better shot. Heck, here's an idea, wait until there is 8 seconds on the clock and run an actual play.

I think Cal's stall ball tactic wins tough games.

Yes. Cal does not play stall ball. There are situations where we manage clock. Any sane coach does that. There have been times where I though Cal manages it sooner than I would. However, he commands millions for those decisions. I have yet to earn a penny. I would be a blithering idiot if I thought I could make better tactical decisions.

That said, I had to wonder why we did not let the clock run when we had possession. They needed the clock. We did not. I will say this, 4 possessions under 5 minutes can be a commanding lead. They may have been desperate to get to that point.

 

[Poetax]

Under 5 with a 6 point lead? They could tie it in under 2 minutes easy.

Only time to start stalling at 5 minutes is if we are up 15+. If our lead is 5-10 points then we shouldn’t start stall ball until the 2 minute mark.

Since we have been a much better free throw shooting team this year the strategy seems to drive and get fouled late in the game.

 

[HerrosHeroes]

29-6

 

[kybassfan]

We don't run actual plays.

Actually, we do. Sometimes we don't run them well. Kids. It happens.

 

[kybassfan]

29-6

LO!!! Yeah. Ain't life a *****. Good season on the whole.

 

[KyFaninNC]

Stall ball can work if you have a veteran PG that is smart enough to manage it, we don't have that and haven't for several years.

 

[Big John Stud]

Okay, I've heard and read a lot of comments over the years about Cal taking the air out of the ball at the end of games.

Today, our guys did the opposite and it almost cost UK the game .

Under 3 minutes with the ball and a 7 point lead.cwhy on Earth do we have Reid Travis taking a 15 footer with between 15 and 20 seconds on the shot clock?

Yeah well he missed it, well duh.

We went full November mode for 5 or 6 possessions there.

Run clock and you get the same or better shot. Heck, here's an idea, wait until there is 8 seconds on the clock and run an actual play.

I think Cal's stall ball tactic wins tough games.

Run your offense and take good shots, it's not rocket science.

 

[John Henry]

Stall ball can work if you have a veteran PG that is smart enough to manage it, we don't have that and haven't for several years.

That is the important part of stall ball. And the point guard has to be an excellent free throw shooter. Not good but excellent.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Stall ball can work if you have a veteran PG that is smart enough to manage it, we don't have that and haven't for several years.

We had a veteran point guard in 2015 but he sure wasn't smart about how he Managed IT against Wisconsin

 

[kyjeff1]

Run your offense and take good shots, it's not rocket science.

When you have a decent lead and it's under three minutes, you need to limit the other teams possessions.

Usually it's not s big deal, but Wofford had 3 or 4 great 3 point shooters that can slap a big run on you in a hurry.

Not ro mention, we were missing our horse in the middle.

We just took so many bad shots, shots we don't normally take.

Glad we won, but the way we finished this game and the UT game are concerning to me.

Fortunately Cal talked about it in his post game interview. "We usually finish games better than this, I don't know what's going on, but we usually finish games better..."

 

[kyjeff1]

29-6

You don't get it .

 

[kyjeff1]

We don't run actual plays.

Yes we do.

 

[kyjeff1]

This team makes a lot of poor decisions when we run the clock down. Sometimes we hit a last second shot and other times we take a bad shot or turn it over. It would be more effective with a more experienced team. I just hate when we are scoring well and decide to just shut it down with only a 2 or 3 possession game and way to much time left. Especially with really no one that can create their own shot very well.

Yeah, but we weren't scoring well, our offense was struggling all game long. But we went into full tard mode in crunch time yesterday.

 

[ck-2]

That shot by Reid was dumb. You can see Cal’s negative reaction when he took it. Yesterday we were up, in a little foul trouble,and needed to limit Woffords possessions. I was all for running clock.

 

[jpbky2]

Someone posted Cal's record when leading at the 5:00 minute mark and it is staggering. It is almost like game over. Cal has been doing this a helluva lot longer than any of us and you limit opponent possessions and take advantage of your athletes. I always look at the clock and when it hits 5:00, I go, if it was OT, we would be up 5 to start it and I like my chances. The 1996 team was the best at running through the finish line and just kept playing there game regardless of time and score, but that team was special.

 

[KyFaninNC]

Someone posted Cal's record when leading at the 5:00 minute mark and it is staggering. It is almost like game over. Cal has been doing this a helluva lot longer than any of us and you limit opponent possessions and take advantage of your athletes. I always look at the clock and when it hits 5:00, I go, if it was OT, we would be up 5 to start it and I like my chances. The 1996 team was the best at running through the finish line and just kept playing there game regardless of time and score, but that team was special.

Also cost Cal 2 nattys, one at Memphis and here in 15.

 

[Chuckinden]

Travis taking that shot was terrible, but he was taking it in hopes of improving his draft status.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Okay, I've heard and read a lot of comments over the years about Cal taking the air out of the ball at the end of games.

Today, our guys did the opposite and it almost cost UK the game .

Under 3 minutes with the ball and a 7 point lead.cwhy on Earth do we have Reid Travis taking a 15 footer with between 15 and 20 seconds on the shot clock?

Yeah well he missed it, well duh.

We went full November mode for 5 or 6 possessions there.

Run clock and you get the same or better shot. Heck, here's an idea, wait until there is 8 seconds on the clock and run an actual play.

I think Cal's stall ball tactic wins tough games.

There’s a big difference between playing “stall ball” and taking bad shots. The Travis shot was a bad one. We just need to continue to run our offense and get good shots, not run the clock down and throw something up just before the shot clock expires.

 

[KA4Prez_rivals78700]

This is why it's important to be able to have a team that can execute down the stretch. Our stall offense is great when the other team lets Hagans in the lane, but when he's at the top of the key with 8 or less seconds on the clock, we're in big trouble if he can't get past his man. It's either a turnover or he's forced to shoot a long jump shot, which only goes in about 20% of the time.

 

[UKWildcats#8]

Travis taking that shot was terrible, but he was taking it in hopes of improving his draft status.

Wtf

 

[kyjeff1]

There’s a big difference between playing “stall ball” and taking bad shots. The Travis shot was a bad one. We just need to continue to run our offense and get good shots, not run the clock down and throw something up just before the shot clock expires.

Yeah I agree, but for the record, I'm not saying we should throw last second shots up, I'm saying we shouldn't be taking bad shots with 15-20 seconds on the clock with less than 3 minutes in the game and a 7 point lead. Go at the rim with 10 seconds on the clock, don't settle for bad shots so early.

We got lucky those Wofford shooters missed in crunch time. We could have given that game away like we did the SECT UT game last week.

 

[kyjeff1]

This is why it's important to be able to have a team that can execute down the stretch. Our stall offense is great when the other team lets Hagans in the lane, but when he's at the top of the key with 8 or less seconds on the clock, we're in big trouble if he can't get past his man. It's either a turnover or he's forced to shoot a long jump shot, which only goes in about 20% of the time.

If we have Travis AND PJ in the game, stall ball will work against anyone. That is a good rebounding tandem in the paint and are guys that can clear space in the paint or throw the ball down to to get tough baskets.

Without PJ, we look pretty easy to defend.

 

[kyjeff1]

Travis taking that shot was terrible, but he was taking it in hopes of improving his draft status.

Come on man.