Stall ball gets us beat

[Blueworld_3.0]

The most maddening thing is that Cal himself has preached we need to be aggressive all freakin year long!
And now, when we need just that, he tries to take the air out of it? Unbelievable!

 

[CalsKingdom8]

What was our run at the point he took the air out? 14-4? This is statistically the best team in the country the last 5 minutes. Tonight, they completely went away from what garnered them that accolade and played not to lose.

That said, I'm so proud of this team. What. A. Ride!

 

[PayMeNoMind]

I can see the points on this thread but really there was more than this, like putting in Ulis and Booker at the same time for long periods. WI didn't overlook these mis-matches and these didn't shoot many 3s so what was the point of this sub pattern. The early sub patterns is really what allowed WI to roll with their lead. Towns was the hero and KY should have gone even more to him. Is there anyone on the WI team besides the K guy that you trade to get?? Well, the sub patterns were suspect early, mid, and late. Now along with the air deflation you have enough points to give away to lose to many teams.

 

[yoshukai]

I was yelling when he did it , " too early " . And Towns couldn't be stopped . This ones on Cal , no way around it .

 

[Cawood86_rivals]

Originally posted by yoshukai:
I was yelling when he did it , " too early " . And Towns couldn't be stopped . This ones on Cal , no way around it .

He should apologize to the team. Man up and admit you messed up.

 

[WCBcats]

It truly does hurt. Why not just attCk? I'll never understand. Hopefully April of 2016 will be much kinder. Sigh

 

[neilborders]

Not only did it kill our own momentum, but it allowed Wisconsin to stand around for 28 seconds and catch their breath when they were finally starting to look gassed.

 

[ZZBlueComet]

Originally posted by UK_Norm:
Not only did it kill our own momentum, but it allowed Wisconsin to stand around for 28 seconds and catch their breath when they were finally starting to look gassed.

Good point.

 

[RACdad]

If yall remember the loss to UCONN Las yr the same thing happened. UK went away from Randle down the stretch. I don't understand

 

[dbem1]

No.. Not finishing got us beat. We usually make those shots. If we do then the same people on here griping about it would be praising the strategy.

 

[Brandss]

yes

 

[Seth C]

Originally posted by dbem1:

No.. Not finishing got us beat. We usually make those shots. If we do then the same people on here griping about it would be praising the strategy.

Why? Could we not try to make them with 15 seconds on the clock? Or 20? Or even 25? What was he benefit for US in trying to make them with 2 seconds on the clock? There was none. We didn't even leave enough time to TRY for an offensive rebound on three straight trips.

So no, that was a terrible strategy, even if it had worked. And it didn't work. It lost us a game we had won.

 

[maverick1_rivals376538]

Originally posted by dbem1:

No.. Not finishing got us beat. We usually make those shots. If we do then the same people on here griping about it would be praising the strategy.

********. Nobody would be praising it -- there's a big difference in winning "because of" and winning "in spite of" something.

 

[pascat]

I'm in the minority here, but stall ball did not cost us this game. It is Calipari's reluctance to teach his team how to play a match-up zone defense or to press early against teams like Wisconsin and Notre Dame to take them out of their rhythm. No way a team as slow at the guard position as Wisconsin should be allowed to move so freely on offense. We had a considerable size and depth advantage over Wisconsin and we did not surrender any quickness to them. We should have pressed the Badgers until they couldn't see straight.

When you don't play defense that increases the chances that the opponent will turn the ball over, you will not get easy baskets. Getting easy baskets is the most important philosophy in Calipari's coaching strategy. You get them by creating turnovers. Playing man-to-man defense against Wisconsin does not work.

 

[brianpoe]

We have never, since Cal has been here, executed the stall offense effectively. Too early, too small of a lead tonight.

He's our coach we praise him 99% of the time. He is not perfect but perfect for UK. We are all armchair coaches and should be able to voice a reasonable opinion.

 

[.S&C.]

I agree to an extent pas, but it can be both.

 

[.S&C.]

Originally posted by brianpoe:
We have never, since Cal has been here, executed the stall offense effectively. Too early, too small of a lead tonight.

He's our coach we praise him 99% of the time. He is not perfect but perfect for UK. We are all armchair coaches and should be able to voice a reasonable opinion.

I agree, however no one had that opinion when I was being ripped to shreds over saying the exact same thing you just said a week ago.

This board is its own downfall. The meltdowns happen because people can't look past themselves. I am not melting down at all, I love Cal, and I think we will be fine.

 

[brianpoe]

Originally posted by .S&C.:

Originally posted by brianpoe:
We have never, since Cal has been here, executed the stall offense effectively. Too early, too small of a lead tonight.

He's our coach we praise him 99% of the time. He is not perfect but perfect for UK. We are all armchair coaches and should be able to voice a reasonable opinion.

I agree, however no one had that opinion when I was being ripped to shreds over saying the exact same thing you just said a week ago.

This board is its own downfall. The meltdowns happen because people can't look past themselves. I am not melting down at all, I love Cal, and I think we will be fine.

No, you were not wrong in disagreeing with Cal, you were wrong regarding the tactics you disagreed with. It was painfully obvious we had to go to Towns every series to win that game.

If we could have fed the post as effectively it would have worked tonight as well, IMHO.

 

[.S&C.]

Originally posted by brianpoe:

Originally posted by .S&C.:

Originally posted by brianpoe:
We have never, since Cal has been here, executed the stall offense effectively. Too early, too small of a lead tonight.

He's our coach we praise him 99% of the time. He is not perfect but perfect for UK. We are all armchair coaches and should be able to voice a reasonable opinion.

I agree, however no one had that opinion when I was being ripped to shreds over saying the exact same thing you just said a week ago.

This board is its own downfall. The meltdowns happen because people can't look past themselves. I am not melting down at all, I love Cal, and I think we will be fine.

No, you were not wrong in disagreeing with Cal, you were wrong regarding the tactics you disagreed with. It was painfully obvious we had to go to Towns every series to win that game.

If we could have fed the post as effectively it would have worked tonight as well, IMHO.

Well, I went form the minority on the subject to the overwhelming majority. You saying I'm wrong is now a minority stance.

I wasn't wrong btw. I said I agreed with making towns the focal point. You obviously missed my main points, and obviously missed UK turning the ball over 3 out of 4 possessions late by trying to do nothing but pound it inside when it wasn't wiring, clearly. I also said his adjustments were really bad in the game. I was ripped for it. I said I was worried cal would try and win this whole thing by doing the same things over and over and over. he did, and we lost. you would be wrong.

I agree to disagree.

This post was edited on 4/5 3:17 AM by .S&C.

 

[brianpoe]

Originally posted by .S&C.:

Originally posted by brianpoe:

Originally posted by .S&C.:

Originally posted by brianpoe:
We have never, since Cal has been here, executed the stall offense effectively. Too early, too small of a lead tonight.

He's our coach we praise him 99% of the time. He is not perfect but perfect for UK. We are all armchair coaches and should be able to voice a reasonable opinion.

I agree, however no one had that opinion when I was being ripped to shreds over saying the exact same thing you just said a week ago.

This board is its own downfall. The meltdowns happen because people can't look past themselves. I am not melting down at all, I love Cal, and I think we will be fine.

No, you were not wrong in disagreeing with Cal, you were wrong regarding the tactics you disagreed with. It was painfully obvious we had to go to Towns every series to win that game.

If we could have fed the post as effectively it would have worked tonight as well, IMHO.

Well, I went form the minority on the subject to the overwhelming majority. You saying I'm wrong is now a minority stance.

I wasn't wrong btw. I said I agreed with making towns the focal point. You obviously missed my main points, and obviously missed UK turning the ball over 3 out of 4 possessions late by trying to do nothing but pound it inside when it wasn't wiring, clearly. I also said his adjustments were really bad in the game. I was ripped for it. I said I was worried cal would try and win this whole thing by doing the same things over and over and over. he did, and we lost. you would be wrong.

I agree to disagree.

This post was edited on 4/5 3:17 AM by .S&C.

I understood what you were trying to say after the last game but you definitely did not present it very well.

We did not stall the ball last game, we went after their weakness and won the game. You were wrong when you said Cal was screwing up.

We stalled the ball and went way too late tonight. Going inside was definitely the smartest move as they could not stop us either, just like AZ at the end of their game.

Sometimes you give yourself a lot of credit on here, which can be annoying. For the most part I appreciate many of your posts however and agree often with your take.

 

[.S&C.]

Originally posted by brianpoe:

Originally posted by .S&C.:

Originally posted by brianpoe:

Originally posted by .S&C.:

Originally posted by brianpoe:
We have never, since Cal has been here, executed the stall offense effectively. Too early, too small of a lead tonight.

He's our coach we praise him 99% of the time. He is not perfect but perfect for UK. We are all armchair coaches and should be able to voice a reasonable opinion.

I agree, however no one had that opinion when I was being ripped to shreds over saying the exact same thing you just said a week ago.

This board is its own downfall. The meltdowns happen because people can't look past themselves. I am not melting down at all, I love Cal, and I think we will be fine.

No, you were not wrong in disagreeing with Cal, you were wrong regarding the tactics you disagreed with. It was painfully obvious we had to go to Towns every series to win that game.

If we could have fed the post as effectively it would have worked tonight as well, IMHO.

Well, I went form the minority on the subject to the overwhelming majority. You saying I'm wrong is now a minority stance.

I wasn't wrong btw. I said I agreed with making towns the focal point. You obviously missed my main points, and obviously missed UK turning the ball over 3 out of 4 possessions late by trying to do nothing but pound it inside when it wasn't wiring, clearly. I also said his adjustments were really bad in the game. I was ripped for it. I said I was worried cal would try and win this whole thing by doing the same things over and over and over. he did, and we lost. you would be wrong.

I agree to disagree.

This post was edited on 4/5 3:17 AM by .S&C.

I understood what you were trying to say after the last game but you definitely did not present it very well.

We did not stall the ball last game, we went after their weakness and won the game. You were wrong when you said Cal was screwing up.

We stalled the ball and went way too late tonight. Going inside was definitely the smartest move as they could not stop us either, just like AZ at the end of their game.

Sometimes you give yourself a lot of credit on here, which can be annoying. For the most part I appreciate many of your posts however and agree often with your take.

Well, I'm not sure about the "giving myself credit" thing. I am going to clear up my stance.

1. I agree with going inside to Towns in the Notre Dame game. We did, however, do it TOO MUCH. I would have played with my guards late in that game as well as this one. I don't agree with making your young shooters stand around cold all game, and if you go back and look, thats what they were doing. We were very lucky they were able to hit some big threes when they did. We could have spaced the game out against ND and won by 15 pretty easily. Plow mule half court basketball is not this teams strong suit. Why would we start now?

2. I was worried that cals was going to do the same thing he usually does, after seeing the notre dame game. Its a far too one dimensional game plan. We were not going to win anything going inside religiously, because we were never going to get put at the line in THIS game enough. We needed to get out and run, play fast and lose, and let our guards take us home, mixing in a low post game to boot. BALANCE is what I've wanted. BALANCE. We have none.

3. I said in the thread you are referencing, that cals adjustments defensively and offensively in that game were bad, and I was worried about it carrying over. It did.

 

[brianpoe]

That all sounds reasonable, except we were PERFECT for the last half of the game against ND so your argument fails in that respect.

I get the gist of what you are saying though.

And yes you speak in absolutes often, like Caneintally, you two are peas in a pod even though you guys disagree.

But I like Will and I like you too, you both bring value.

 

[.S&C.]

Originally posted by brianpoe:
That all sounds reasonable, except we were PERFECT for the last half of the game against ND so your argument fails in that respect.

I get the gist of what you are saying though.

And yes you speak in absolutes often, like Caneintally, you two are peas in a pod even though you guys disagree.

But I like Will and I like you too, you both bring value.

Dang I thought me and Cane got along well.

 

[brianpoe]

I don't mean in a bad way at all, I think it has more to do with two eager, intelligent fans in their 20's more than ego or cockiness so please do not take it wrong.

 

[.S&C.]

Probably so. I get caught up often and I hate typing on a keyboard. Sometimes it comes out completely wrong.

I love UK. its the one thing In my life I am super super passionate about, other than maybe cardinals baseball. I might be wrong, but I feel if we played more balanced and through our clutch guards we could still be in this.

its a moot point, I know. And I sure don't mean to pat myself on the back, but when you express your own opinions around here, you have to take up for yourself a lot.

 

[*Bleedingblue*]

Yes playing stall ball is what change the game for us.

Things that got us beat.
Stall ball
Lack of rebounding
Refs
Not taking wide open shots we were 3/5 from 3 with open looks all night.

If you guys hadn't noticed but we stalled the ball all year. Every time we got a good sized lead on another team we stalled the ball and every single time the other team would make a huge comeback and cut the lead by 1/3 or 1/2 of what it was.

Also look and see how our all American had 2 points and how he was absent on D or getting rebounds.
2nd chance points killed us as well.
But in not sweating it too much as I didn't think we were a great team like '96 or '12. Just not an offensive type of team and were very lucky not to have 4-5 losses.

 

[Randy Bob]

Ky got beat by a better team tonight a smarter team, beat on the boards , but Ky really had a great season..

 

[007LeroyBond]

Originally posted by chevyman 50:
Ky got beat by a better team tonight a smarter team, beat on the boards , but Ky really had a great season..

Dude, Wisconsin is NOT better than UK this season..and they still aren't. They were just better tonight/last night..and that's the biggest thing..but still, they were and are not better than UK.

 

[UKallDay]

Wisconsin was not better than us last night. They were on the ropes and we gave them the game. If we pound the ball to Towns early down the stretch instead of worrying about the clock, we win by double digits. Cal and Andrew both said it was not Cal's plan to take the air out of the ball, but that's hard to believe considering it happened on five straight posessions.