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I keep saying this after every win and they keep proving me wrong, but I just don’t see how SPU is competitive with either UCLA or Carolina.

Just another level of athlete from Murray State/Purdue, and likely even KY.
 
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RedTeam1994 said:
why are seton hall trolls on here?

puffing their chest over the accomplishment of a team thats NOT even Seton Hall?

Should we go over to the Seton Hall board and talk sh#t about Iowa State?

its seriously bizarre.

and a sad way for presumably grown men to spend their Friday evenings (have alwys felt trolling other boards is a big time loser thing to do)
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They got laughed off the court in their game, so they're living vicariously through Holloway.
 
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burtmanjack said:
I keep saying this after every win and they keep proving me wrong, but I just don’t see how SPU is competitive with either UCLA or Carolina.

Just another level of athlete from Murray State/Purdue, and likely even KY.
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IMO, Kentucky has athletes the same or better than UCLA/UNC. If St Peters can beat the athletic Kentucky, and the really big Purdue, they can beat anyone
 
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theRU said:
Happy for st Peters but this can't be good for RU.
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I don't get the doom and gloom, tbh. SPU is having a magical run after an up and down season. If Holloway ends up at SHU, it'll be for more $$$ than he'd have ordinarily commanded with higher expectations.

This team is notching huge wins right now.... but also lost to St. Francis, Canisius, and Rider. Something to be said for getting hot at the right time.
 
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burtmanjack said:
I keep saying this after every win and they keep proving me wrong, but I just don’t see how SPU is competitive with either UCLA or Carolina.

Just another level of athlete from Murray State/Purdue, and likely even KY.
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Because those schools didnt respect St Peters
 
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Scangg said:
Lol you really think teams in the sweet 16 are taking them lightly at this point?

They got beat
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All 3 schools including Purdue took them lightly

Purdue thought they could just flip a switch like they did all year. They weren't attacking the press and really played with little intensity or purpose

They got their *** kicked yet still were a missed shot from putting the game in overtime

Their D game was almost good enough to win.
 
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Rokodesh

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burtmanjack said:
I keep saying this after every win and they keep proving me wrong, but I just don’t see how SPU is competitive with either UCLA or Carolina.

Just another level of athlete from Murray State/Purdue, and likely even KY.
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If they can beat Purdue and KY they can beat UNC. Carolina only got hot recently but they weren't world beaters throughout the season.

I thought Purdue would have way too much size but it didn't matter. They can actually win the national title at this point Lolol.
 
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Rokodesh said:
If they can beat Purdue and KY they can beat UNC. Carolina only got hot recently but they weren't world beaters throughout the season.

I thought Purdue would have way too much size but it didn't matter. They can actually win the national title at this point Lolol.
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I still don’t see how Purdue’s size didn’t bury them.

Turnovers, Ivey and Painter I guess.
 
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Turnovers did them in. The game was lost when they couldnt get seperation before the end of the first half
 
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bac2therac said:
Turnovers did them in. The game was lost when they couldnt get seperation before the end of the first half
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True.

And that layup at the end of 1H seemed to have more of an impact momentum-wise than its mathematical value on the scoreboard.
 
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Mr Magoo said:
I’ll give you overall records but conference records don’t mean as much when a conference is overrated. Also agree that we have a lot of teams that were just on the bubble but it’s two years in row that the league as a whole stunk up the place. If next years’s regular season repeats itself, they will take a lot of heat for picking 9 B1G teams. Personally, I think Purdue, Illinois, Iowa, Michigan State and Wisconsin were over seeded and Indiana, Michigan and us were under-seeded. We really had about 8-9 teams in the 5-10 range.
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I’ll give you MSU being overseeded at 7 for sure. I don’t know how they got that high.
I don’t agree that all of those other teams were over seeded. Iowa was on the 5 line ahead of Bama, LSU, Texas and Colorado state. I don’t see how any of those teams deserves to be ahead of them. Maybe Illinois should have been on the 5 instead of the 4 line. But that’s negligible. They lost to a damn good Houston team. Can’t knock them for that.
Wisconsin was a 3 seed. Who of the 4 seeds should have been ahead of them? Providence, Illinois, UCLA, or Arkansas? I guess maybe Arkansas, but boy their out conference schedule stinks. Not sure who in that group is supposed to jump Purdue.
I get it, the conference didn’t do well, but no one was exactly picking a B1G team to win it all. The question I ask, is it fair to say SEC and Big 12 are THAT much better than the B1G because they got one team in the elite 8 and the B1G got none? The SEC totally stunk outside of Arkansas. Way worse than the B1G. And the Big 12 performed respectably. Def better. I just think the B1G is a deep conference. And it gets knocked too much. The Big East does the same thing, but no one talks about it because Nova covers for everyone every year.
 
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I think if we are looking at Jaden Ivey, he is going to be a better Pro than college player......Purdue Guard Carsen Edwards.....he was a better more dominate college player and too small to be an impact NBA player.

In general, Purdue was always overrated because they had a lot of returning talent and that usually translates to more wins and continuity....but they in reality, don't have anything close to Carsen Edwards....who can get you points in a blink from anywhere on the floor.

Purdue has in what is looked at objectively, a 6 to 7 seed talent base, that is coached up in recent years to a 3 seed level. They are not going to be mistaken for having Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Kansas, Arizona, Michigan, Michigan State, Villanova, Baylor, UCLA, UConn talent level.

Purdue has some unique players and those players can present matchup nightmares, but it's not overwhelming talent. Michigan, player for player has an advantage at 3 of the 5 positions over Purdue and I could say 4, if you believe Hunter Dickinson is better than Edey. Michigan was just younger and had less experience, but on a talent perspective, Michigan offers way more overall.

If you are consistently being coached up 2 or 3 levels, like Painter has done, and you don't have a Geo Baker, or a combo guard who can bail you out of bad possessions and get a shot up (instead of a turnover), you would be better off.

You have to give Shaheen Holloway and St Peters credit for staying in the game early. The layup at the end of the 1st half, was huge.....if Purdue gets that stop and it's a 6 point game, vs 4, they could have created some doubt on the St Peters side. Instead, they give up a layup and go almost 5 minutes to start the 2H, without a basket.

UNC is not going to pass up open shots and is going to push the tempo for 40 minutes. If St Peters can bounce back in 48 hours and take down UNC, that would be more of an upset than beating Purdue.

UNC has significantly more skill and basketball talent than Purdue....don't be fooled with an underachieving overall season and "they're an 8 seed out of the ACC".....this is still Carolina.....
 
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bac2therac said:
All 3 schools including Purdue took them lightly

Purdue thought they could just flip a switch like they did all year. They weren't attacking the press and really played with little intensity or purpose

They got their *** kicked yet still were a missed shot from putting the game in overtime

Their D game was almost good enough to win.
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Don't agree with this. Told all my betting friends to take St. Pete's and the points. Purdue's kryptonite all year was quick guards and it did them in again.

Edey did a terrible job of getting position on his post ups. If he posts up under the basket he would have had 20 points, instead is out by the foul line. Made no sense. Williams did a better job but the rest of team was invisible.

Ivey played bad because he couldn't just take it to the basket whenever he wanted like he usually does. SP continually cut him off.

They were easily able to spread them out on offense and all they had to do is hit their shots, which they did. SP made Purdue play their game.
 
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I actually think St Peter's will challenge Davis and Love much more efficiently than Baylor and UCLA did. They can beat them.
 
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NewJerseyHawk said:
I think if we are looking at Jaden Ivey, he is going to be a better Pro than college player......Purdue Guard Carsen Edwards.....he was a better more dominate college player and too small to be an impact NBA player.

In general, Purdue was always overrated because they had a lot of returning talent and that usually translates to more wins and continuity....but they in reality, don't have anything close to Carsen Edwards....who can get you points in a blink from anywhere on the floor.

Purdue has in what is looked at objectively, a 6 to 7 seed talent base, that is coached up in recent years to a 3 seed level. They are not going to be mistaken for having Kentucky, UNC, Duke, Kansas, Arizona, Michigan, Michigan State, Villanova, Baylor, UCLA, UConn talent level.

Purdue has some unique players and those players can present matchup nightmares, but it's not overwhelming talent. Michigan, player for player has an advantage at 3 of the 5 positions over Purdue and I could say 4, if you believe Hunter Dickinson is better than Edey. Michigan was just younger and had less experience, but on a talent perspective, Michigan offers way more overall.

If you are consistently being coached up 2 or 3 levels, like Painter has done, and you don't have a Geo Baker, or a combo guard who can bail you out of bad possessions and get a shot up (instead of a turnover), you would be better off.

You have to give Shaheen Holloway and St Peters credit for staying in the game early. The layup at the end of the 1st half, was huge.....if Purdue gets that stop and it's a 6 point game, vs 4, they could have created some doubt on the St Peters side. Instead, they give up a layup and go almost 5 minutes to start the 2H, without a basket.

UNC is not going to pass up open shots and is going to push the tempo for 40 minutes. If St Peters can bounce back in 48 hours and take down UNC, that would be more of an upset than beating Purdue.

UNC has significantly more skill and basketball talent than Purdue....don't be fooled with an underachieving overall season and "they're an 8 seed out of the ACC".....this is still Carolina.....
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It seems like St Peter’s has more guards that can put up a shot and bail you out of bad possessions than Purdue does. I love the St Peter’s story, and will be rooting for them tomorrow, but have a hard time seeing them knocking off the Heels.
 
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Rokodesh said:
That's probably not even the dumbest this week
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RU has some special fans. They never miss an opportunity to take a hot topic of the moment and turn it around to crap on Rutgers and the Big 10. Gloom and doom all the time, and they never celebrate, but instead denigrate our own success. It's comical actually. Some people are just wired to think like this, and it is a wonder how well they do in life with this mentality.

That said, Holloway has a very endearing quality to him that makes you want to root for him and his team because they have been underestimated going into this tournament. Kind of like Rocky Balboa. Nobody gave St Peter's a thought or chance before the Kentucky game.

Don't know if it is in this thread, but @NewJerseyHawk had a great take on Holloway and whether this success will translate into success on a bigger stage coaching a team in a tougher conference. He gave Shaka Smart as an example.

Does this mean the same thing will happen to Holloway? Of course not. It might, and it might not. But a very short run of success in one NCAA tournament cannot predict anything. Shaka Smart had a much more impressive run at VCU, and he faltered at Texas.

Here is an article on Smart's hiring at Marquette:

"Smart has been the head coach at Texas for six seasons, leading the Longhorns to an overall record of 109-86.

Texas did not win an NCAA Tournament game in three appearances under Smart.

Last week, 3-seeded Texas was upset by 14-seeded Abilene Christian in the opening round.

Before Texas, Smart was the head coach at VCU, leading the Rams to five straight NCAA Tournament appearances, including a Final Four run in 2011."

 
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Thought Edey missing point blank shots was the real culprit. Should have been up by a dozen.
 
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