Spin machine working overtime today, but does pose a question.

[cowbell88]

From a Bear fan:

Game should have been over:

NCAA Rule 7:
Caught or Recovered
ARTICLE 2. a. When a backward pass or fumble is caught or recovered by any in-bounds player, the ball continues in play (A.R. 2-23-1-I).
Exceptions:
1. Rule 8-3-2-d-5 (Team A fumble on the try).
RULE 7 / SNAPPING AND PASSING THE BALL FR-75
2. On fourth down before a change of team possession, when a Team A fumble is caught or recovered by a Team A player other than the fumbler, the ball is dead. If the catch or recovery is beyond the spot of the fumble, the ball is returned to the spot of the fumble. If the catch or recovery is behind the spot of the fumble, the ball remains at the spot of the catch or fumble.

 

[anon1787432961]

I've seen 30 years of football, and every lateral, even on fourth down, has been a live ball. Is this planet earth we are living on?

 

[baseballnerd]

A backwards pass is never a fumble. That is all. Ask a referee.

 

[thatsbaseball]

Does anybody else remember a play where the QB would purposefully skip a lateral off the turf to a wideout making it look like a dead play to the defense ? The reciever would the throw a pass downfield. I`ve seen it done in a game but don`t remember who it was or when I saw it.

 

[KurtRambis4]

Bear fans are right.

It's a SEC conspiracy to eliminate one of their teams from possibly getting into the playoffs.****

 

[MaroonNation]

YouTube "Presbyterian Bounce Pass"

Presbyterian QB lateral pass to RB by bouncing it off ground. RB passes it downfield to receiver who scores in end zone against Wake Forest.

 

[jakldawg]

The rules noting the difference between a fumble and backwards pass are so old, they're holdovers from rugby.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-foo.../arkansas-ole-miss-play-ending-2015-game-rule
Unless they're thinking that lineman got a hand on the ball first and knocked it forward?
So, hang a banner up or have the Oxford PD tweet it out or something: a backwards pass is not a fumble.

 

[anon1787432961]

Precedent on this call. Even more of an argument for a fumble here.

A’s ball fourth-and-10 on B20. Direct snap from center on an attempted field goal glances off placekick holder’s hands at the B27. Field goal kicker recovers the ball at B30 and runs for a touchdown.

Ruling:Legal touchdown.

 

[Sutterkane]

The triple option was illegal for decades? Who knew?

 

[Xenomorph]

This is what happens when dumbasses who never played try to interpret rules to suit their needs. Just do this:

Ask them if you run the option on 4th down and the back drops the pitch.. Is that ball live or dead?

 

[Snog]

This is what happens when dumbasses who never played try to interpret rules to suit their needs. Just do this:

Ask them if you run the option on 4th down and the back drops the pitch.. Is that ball live or dead?

Hahahahaha

 

[Drebin]

This is what happens when dumbasses who never played try to interpret rules to suit their needs. Just do this:

Ask them if you run the option on 4th down and the back drops the pitch.. Is that ball live or dead?

Even moreso: If a punt snap is low and bounces before the punter catches it, or if the punter bobbles it before picking it up, is the ball dead? If a shotgun snap on 4th down is dropped or not handled by the QB, is the play dead?

 

[thatsbaseball]

Also found it called "bounce rooski". The message is a lateral can hit the ground and still be in play...sometimes it`s even done on purpose !

 

[AlCoDog]

OM is lucky to have even been in overtime. Should have lost in regulation. Then should have had a penalty in the 4thbdown play for having too many players on the field while the play was going on running around with their helmets off, and running their jack *** mouths too soon.

 

[thatsbaseball]

If they had called too many players...what would have been the results ? 15 yard penalty and auto first down ? I`m asking cause I don`t have a clue. Arky may in fact have been better off with the no-call.

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

It could be unsportsmanlike conduct. Running onto the field and without a helmet.

 

[thatsbaseball]

So at that point Ark would decline the penalty and take the 27 yard gain on the play ?

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

Here's Mr Treadwell with helmet off on the field. Look by the CBS logo.

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[ckDOG]

Tier C Law School at work

Backwards passes are not fumbles and backwards passes are allowed to hit the ground even if that mean ol Arkansas player was just throwing up a heave and a prayer. There is no such thing as an incomplete backward pass. Read the rule book dumbasses.

SECTION 11. Fumble, Muff; Batting and


Touching the Ball; Blocking a Kick Fumble


ARTICLE 1To fumble the ball is to lose player possession by any act other than passing, kicking or successful handing (AR 2-19-2-I and AR 4-1-3-I) The status of the ball is a fumble


SECTION 19. Passes


ARTICLE 1Passing the ball is throwing it A pass continues to be a pass until it is caught or intercepted by a player or the ball becomes dead


Forward and Backward Pass
ARTICLE 2 a A pass is forward if the ball first strikes the ground, a player, an official or anything else beyond the spot where the ball is released All other passes are backward passes When in question a pass thrown in or behind the neutral zone is forward rather than a backward pass

1. b When a Team A player is holding the ball to pass it forward toward the neutral zone, any intentional forward movement of his hand or arm with the ball firmly in his control starts the forward passIf a Team B player contacts the passer or ball after forward movement begins and the ball leaves the passer’s hand, a forward pass is ruled regardless of where the ball strikes the ground or a player (AR 2-19- 2-I)
2. c When in question, the ball is passed and not fumbled during an attempted forward pass
3. d A snap becomes a backward pass when the snapper releases the ball (AR 2-23-1- I)
   

 

[DesotoCountyDawg]

This all comes into play if say Ole Miss were to have recovered the pass or didn't get the first down. I'm not sure the rules for college but I think you can review too many men on the field. I'm no rules expert so I have no idea just thought it was crazy to see a player with no helmet out past the numbers celebrating while the play was happening.