SP@Clover

[Belmontraider]

Really tough game. Clover dominated SP until mid 2nd qtr and then things started to turn SP's way. SP did a great job in containing the Clover offense and begin finding some offensive success of their own. Had some tough penalties late in the game that really affected field position. SP threw 2 picks inside the 15 yard line that killed one first half drive and the last taking away what should have been a fairly easy FG to send the game to OT. That makes 7 picks in 4 games. SP has only completed 13 passes to their own players in those 4 games. Overall this is a young and tough SP team. OT loss to Lincolnton and last second loss to a very good Clover team is nothing to be ashamed of. Other than Shelby, they have been very competitive. However, we have an issue that needs addressed but not sure that Mick is willing to pull that trigger.

Tough loss that should have been a win like the Lincolnton game. Kids played hard.

Seems to me and some others - that we need to make some changes with players on the offensive side? Some may know the answer - but does SP have some other players that they could move around the get the offense running better?

I place this loss like the other 3 on the coaching.

 

[No Dog in the Fight]

Has #34 played yet. Still hurt?

 

[No Dog in the Fight]

Tough loss that should have been a win like the Lincolnton game. Kids played hard.

Seems to me and some others - that we need to make some changes with players on the offensive side? Some may know the answer - but does SP have some other players that they could move around the get the offense running better?

I place this loss like the other 3 on the coaching.

Chomp, lick smack, chomp, chomp.

 

[chargerbacker1]

belmonTRAIDER...??????

 

[seadog28]

belmonTRAIDER...??????

Maybe we just need to play Crest again?

 

[No Dog in the Fight]

belmonTRAIDER...??????

Not traitors, just typical fair weather fans that have never really dealt with REAL adversity before. Don't know how to cope. Fortunately for them, their coaches are good, and will deal with this and make something out of the season. Maybe.

 

[Tommy wilson]

Dude I been a Sp fan since 1980's. Trust me I'm not a fair weather fan but this crap has to stop or we won't win another game with him QB put Backup in and we will win alot but I just don't think it will happen.

 

[Crest9496]

Maybe we just need to play Crest again?

No if we could play that game over SP would be 0-4
Good luck to the midgets until we meet again

 

[No Dog in the Fight]

Every time you guys post, you just keep proving the point again and again. I don't know what else to say???

 

[Tommy wilson]

What point are trying to prove?

 

[redraider73]

We also need to learn how to manage the clock at the end of close games. Lost two games this year partly due to poor clock management. You have to give the guys a chance at the end to pull out a win. Too much wasted time and not using your timeouts have hurt us in setting up a decent play. Last year's championship loss was also due to the same problem. Somebody on that staff needs to be assigned to watch the game clock in critical situations and it appears they are not. This is certainly a fixable problem.

 

[Tommy wilson]

This has been in the works for a while now with him at QB. Jv didn't do nothing and middle school didn't do nothing and when he didn't play QB in middle they won.

 

[seadog28]

No if we could play that game over SP would be 0-4
Good luck to the midgets until we meet again

Rise up! You know what I mean Falcon brother! Our demise is being greatly exaggerated like yours.

 

[Belmontraider]

We also need to learn how to manage the clock at the end of close games. Lost two games this year partly due to poor clock management. You have to give the guys a chance at the end to pull out a win. Too much wasted time and not using your timeouts have hurt us in setting up a decent play. Last year's championship loss was also due to the same problem. Somebody on that staff needs to be assigned to watch the game clock in critical situations and it appears they are not. This is certainly a fixable problem.

Didn't help that 20-30 seconds ran off the clock when it was suppose to stop for first downs in the last minute? Clover needs someone that can properly run the clock?

Yes/ our coaching staff is terrible with time management at the end of the game.

Last - if we dont make the necessary changes on offense - we are a first round exit?

 

[EasyRaider]

What's the problem gentlemen? I haven't been around for the away games but we looked good the first two games in my opinion. From what I heard, we were in this one vs Clover but again came up a play short. What is the chemistry with this year's squad? I have a feeling that they will come together, run the table and make another run deep in the playoffs? I tend to be optimistic and don't like playing the blame game but if I'm wrong feel free to correct me. What's missing?

 

[seadog28]

We also need to learn how to manage the clock at the end of close games. Lost two games this year partly due to poor clock management. You have to give the guys a chance at the end to pull out a win. Too much wasted time and not using your timeouts have hurt us in setting up a decent play. Last year's championship loss was also due to the same problem. Somebody on that staff needs to be assigned to watch the game clock in critical situations and it appears they are not. This is certainly a fixable problem.

And who better than our staff to fix a problem? +1, rr73.

 

[Belmontraider]

belmonTRAIDER...??????

I sense some bitterness from the winning streak being snapped in Belmont? No trader at all.

 

[HardCorps82]

Here's the huh...SP has a VERY talented defense. Look at the scores of the teams we have played versus their scores in other games. As a reminder, SP's offense has been putrid compared to other SP teams. This sad fact speaks to just how good SP's defense can be. However, in this era of football, it is very tough to win by defense alone. A team must have at least a pulse on offense. Given that the SP offense only has two returning starters, for it to be successful it MUST import some of the defensive talent in order to provide the athleticism to run the vaunted Red Bone to optimal efficiency. Given SPs reduced enrollment, and the presence of less than 10 Seniors, we MUST play some players both ways, or at least 1.5. Currently, the offense does not have the speed required to make tough matchups for the defense. We can fix that by dipping into the defense and abandoning the two platoon system. We just don't have the depth for it this year. If Rocky Mount would have played two platoon last year we would have won the 3A State Championship last year. It's not too late, but one conference loss and it could all be over. Now is the time to get our best players on the field. Go Big Red!

 

[raidertime]

Some people keep chiming in even though they have no dog in the fight.

 

[ForestCityMan]

SP going downhill fast

 

[RedRaider87]

People who have no dog in the fight might think we are being "fair weather fans", but that is because they don't know what it's like to be a part of real tradition. Teams like SP, Crest, Shelby and many others have built a tradition over many decades and with tradition comes high expectations. When those expectations aren't met we will let it be known. To the "fan" of an average team that might be considered "fair weather", but to a program like SP we are not fans...we are family. The majority of us Red Raiders posters have strapped on those red helmets at one time or another and we have earned the right to call it as we see it after shedding our blood, sweat and tears on a practice field that was magically ALWAYS 72 DEGREES even in August . I don't know about you, but when my family is going in the wrong direction I think I owe it to hem to let them know, especially in a situation like this where we have the talent to be 3-1 or possibly 4-0.

 

[No Dog in the Fight]

Some people keep chiming in even though they have no dog in the fight.

I'm "chiming" in because I don't like seeing kids called out on message boards. Every fan base of every team has had situations where someone played when the fan base felt else should have been given the shot. That's how it goes.

SP will be alright, maybe win the conference, and get it together for the playoffs.

 

[redraider73]

If SP doesn't run the table in the weak weak conference we are in, then there certainly are problems. They should be able to run the regular season table right now, even at the level they are currently playing. But that will not help much come playoff time if they don't make some big improvements. With that said, look at where we are right now compared to last year and look at where we finished. A 1-3 start really doesn't mean much. Time to wake up and decide you want to be a championship team as you are quite capable of being.

 

[seadog28]

If SP doesn't run the table in the weak weak conference we are in, then there certainly are problems. They should be able to run the regular season table right now, even at the level they are currently playing. But that will not help much come playoff time if they don't make some big improvements. With that said, look at where we are right now compared to last year and look at where we finished. A 1-3 start really doesn't mean much. Time to wake up and decide you want to be a championship team as you are quite capable of being.

redraider73 just nailed it. We love our coaches and we love our players. This team has the capability of being very, very good. Don't mistake our great fans' passion for something negative. With such a great history of achievement we have great expectations, as it should be.

 

[sasha_nc]

There's no HUH? here. It's clear to everyone who reads these forums that the SP posters are calling out specific players, calling out the coach for playing politics, and declaring that changes need to be made. So don't play HUH? with me.

Be specific, which SP posters are calling players out? Quote them directly.


(Edit: at the time of my original question, I had not seen coondog's obvious call out; even so, I was referring to posts prior to your original comment. Most of what I saw was general.)

 

[XChamp15]

Easier for you to read the thread Sasha. 4-5 of your fans explicitly calling out your current QB

 

[Tommy wilson]

I'm not trying to be negative toward the kid. He is playing his butt off but just not for the offense we need the backup QB playing or just give him a chance.

 

[sasha_nc]

Easier for you to read the thread Sasha. 4-5 of your fans explicitly calling out your current QB

Through reading several threads, I have seen one poster specifically call out the QB. I have seen a couple of others, not sure they are all SP fans but have attended/watched recent games, comment that there are weaknesses in the offensive area. One did refer in general to two key spots which could be assumed but they were not specific as to position or names.

 

[sasha_nc]

I'm not trying to be negative toward the kid. He is playing his butt off but just not for the offense we need the backup QB playing or just give him a chance.

Back in 2010, SP had a new QB (and a new head coach). He had moved from playing another position and those first few weeks were rough. I wondered whether he would be better utilized in his previous position. There was also another player who was a potential for QB. However, by conference time, the original starter figured out what he needed to do. We went to the playoffs and had he not broken his ankle in the 1st half of the first round, we probably could have played a game or two more. Let the coaches do their jobs and quit acting like a Crest fan throwing them under the bus.

 

[Tommy wilson]

That QB is alot better then this one. We would have won that year if he didn't get hurt.

 

[chargerbacker1]

Back in 2010, SP had a new QB (and a new head coach). He had moved from playing another position and those first few weeks were rough. I wondered whether he would be better utilized in his previous position. There was also another player who was a potential for QB. However, by conference time, the original starter figured out what he needed to do. We went to the playoffs and had he not broken his ankle in the 1st half of the first round, we probably could have played a game or two more. Let the coaches do their jobs and quit acting like a Crest fan throwing them under the bus.[/QUOTE
There you go throwing rocks at us again. I think the lack of talent coming up at SP was well documented a few years ago. Ralph machio went Nostradamus and everybody laughed. Welcome to 2016. Pride and tradition will prevail . For both our teams.

 

[ShinyTurd]

Whatever happened to Ralph? That guy while sometimes crazy was pretty knowledgable about South Point football

 

[Tommy wilson]

He knows what's going at Sp and will not say anything about it.

 

[sasha_nc]

There you go throwing rocks at us again. I think the lack of talent coming up at SP was well documented a few years ago. Ralph machio went Nostradamus and everybody laughed. Welcome to 2016. Pride and tradition will prevail . For both our teams.

No doubt. But you know what it is like having your own fans posting doom and gloom after a bad game, decision, or player not meeting expectations. I have to throw some rocks at you Crusty Nags and thought I would throw coondog in with them . LOL

 

[SPRedRaider_anon]

Has #34 played yet. Still hurt?

He's playing..... and not getting nearly the touches he needs for us to see success running the ball. He had one carry last night for 6 yards.

 

[RalphMachio99]

Whatever happened to Ralph? That guy while sometimes crazy was pretty knowledgable about South Point football

The great one is always about.

I have had nothing to say about the two prominent back positions at SP for this year....which is to say I have nothing good to say. I have been and will continue to be gentle. In the old days our (true) fans would have burned down the concrete bleachers, but it is a new age these days.

The OL and DL are as stout as one could ask for which leads me to believe that if not for that talent upfront we would be worse off. Always well coached, we get the most out of them. Our starting tackles and guards (when healthy) are legit. I wish they would leave 33 in at TE (or tackle) always on offense.
I personally would love to see 34 at FB and 9 at QB or WB. It's their team though and they will run it how they see fit. So, at 1-3 they've run it how they see fit. Despite the reports, Lincolnton and Clover aren't world beaters. Crest was downright terrible. Shelby was loaded.

A couple others have said that we are turning things around for conference play. Conference play....as I have referenced on this site the last 2-4 years is WAY down, and GACO football is worse than I've ever seen it in my lifetime. So, I fully expect this team to run through the conference like a buzzsaw and get expectations up for our fans. HH will give us a little trouble. Some of those who think personnel changes will be made are delusional. You must not know who is in charge. Some others say they will play the best ones. LOL. They will play the ones they deem the best, but the scoreboard when playing good teams usually tells whether or not they were right in their assessment.

Go Red Raiders. Our sun is about to start shining.

 

[Godevilsgo]

I can see Mr. Justice and Mr. Bray shaking their heads every week.

 

[Raidersway]

No if we could play that game over SP would be 0-4
"IF"...........worms carried pistols then birds would not screw with them.

 

[The_Rev921]

Ha some of these complaints are typical of this era...if the team wins, the kids are great, if the team loses, its the coaches fault and so-n-so should be starting. Societal problems these days!

SP will be fine, they have almost a whole new starting line up on O, they will get better as the season goes on. will they be explosive w the running game like in years past? probably not, just dont have that athlete this season, but they will get better and be formidable...rest your breasts, hakuna the tatas...

 

[DeBoer31]

Ha some of these complaints are typical of this era...if the team wins, the kids are great, if the team loses, its the coaches fault and so-n-so should be starting. Societal problems these days!

SP will be fine, they have almost a whole new starting line up on O, they will get better as the season goes on. will they be explosive w the running game like in years past? probably not, just dont have that athlete this season, but they will get better and be formidable...rest your breasts, hakuna the tatas...

I don't think you understand what makes SP football go. It isn't "the athlete". We didn't have that guy at fullback last year. The OL and DL this year are as good as they've been in a long time....specifically the guards and tackles. The OL has had some injuries - I will say that. Things will get back on track...esp. now that conf. play is here.