And with that rule at SD now not only varsity and jv football they replaced middle school football coach that was not a teacher, and head boys basketball, and tennis coach is not a teacher that they are gone have to replace and middle school baseball coach isnt a teacher, so looks like they got some positions to fill.
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It is not only small schools, look at open coaching positions on NCHSAA website and see how many coaching jobs say, no open teaching positions. In the Northwest NC area, probably more Middle school coaches not teachers than are.
There is an easy solution to finding faculty to coach but we know the state won't go there and local governments won't pony up on coaching supplements. Who wants to spend 2-3 hours every afternoon from August-October for $800 as a soccer coach or $1400 to coach football while spending their Saturday or Sundays watching film
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Handy was there, cant remember the years, but since about 2006 they have had 10 different head coaches before Hill, and just about as many principals.
Handy was at SD and they were terrible. He goes to Randleman and wins a bunch. Jimmies and Joes made the difference. Not having a position to hire for specifically is a bummer. They need to give the Job to the wrestling coach. He is a younger guy with good knowledge and a passion for winning. He could do both sports at SD, they are small enough and probably share most of those athletes with football.
I get why you want your HC to be faculty but As they have 2-3 guys within the building then the HC or OC may not need be there if say DC, OL, SC coach in the building
I feel like schools need to make exceptions esp at smaller schools that may need to use non faulty guys but they need be 100% committed
I have heard like 2-4 guys that are possibly in the running. Interviews I would assumed have happen or will be happening soon
I feel like schools need to make exceptions esp at smaller schools that may need to use non faulty guys but they need be 100% committed
I have heard like 2-4 guys that are possibly in the running. Interviews I would assumed have happen or will be happening soon
from one of the past coachs tenor at SD his words there is zero support from administration
I think they have had some principals in the past that was suppotive, overall backing from ADs are benificial and that is not there
Lets be honest: South Davidson is one of the toughest jobs in the whole state of NC. SD issues are what we have all have said above like support or lack of #s or whatever but One of the biggest issue is the District Lines and if that could change then that could help with # and could maybe help win those 4-5 games a year.
SD has decent facilities for a 1A program and they have Some support from the school and community SO Any New coach will have a uphill battle because here what I believe you have to do
1. Change the Culture: Culture takes 3-4 years to put in place and the school has to allow the coach to do what he believe the program needs and let them do the best for the program.
2. Support: Your going to have get the Admin/Community bought in and grow the support and need have the community involved more. Community support is better then Admin support but still need have the community involved.
3. Players: You must get kids to come out; All male sports at SD are subpar so U need all male athlete to play as many sports as they can. Basketball players need play football, Football needs to play Basketball etc. SD needs to get out the most from their athletes.
4. Patience: This is going take years before SD may get a little bit better in stability and win some games. The schools going have give this coach as much time as he need and wants to be there.
etc etc etc
I think we all want to see SD change the standard and instead being 0-10 or 1-9 every year maybe they get to 5-6 wins a year. I think SD has good people there and I think it will take the right Admin/Coach to change the program at SD!
SD has decent facilities for a 1A program and they have Some support from the school and community SO Any New coach will have a uphill battle because here what I believe you have to do
1. Change the Culture: Culture takes 3-4 years to put in place and the school has to allow the coach to do what he believe the program needs and let them do the best for the program.
2. Support: Your going to have get the Admin/Community bought in and grow the support and need have the community involved more. Community support is better then Admin support but still need have the community involved.
3. Players: You must get kids to come out; All male sports at SD are subpar so U need all male athlete to play as many sports as they can. Basketball players need play football, Football needs to play Basketball etc. SD needs to get out the most from their athletes.
4. Patience: This is going take years before SD may get a little bit better in stability and win some games. The schools going have give this coach as much time as he need and wants to be there.
etc etc etc
I think we all want to see SD change the standard and instead being 0-10 or 1-9 every year maybe they get to 5-6 wins a year. I think SD has good people there and I think it will take the right Admin/Coach to change the program at SD!
I agree to all of those and thought they were headed in the right direction until this shake up they should have won several more games the last three years losing about 8 games by a touhdown or less and had touchdowns called back in those games over the last three years have had several outstanding players all conference and two players all conference and all county that rushed over 800 and one over 1000 yards. And have have community and parent support kids were trnsferring out before but now kids were coming in so will be interesting how this plays out.
This past season it was more of an I formation off tackle and outside, I am talking about double wing, wing T hide the ball. Do not have to be big to run those, just put bodies and bodies and hide the ball from the defenders. The offense they ran this past season will never work against the athletic teams in the league. Too easy for the LB's and DE's to see the handoff and where the ball is going.
There are athletes at South Davidson. Their wrestling team has had success, and is becoming successful again at present.
Yes, there are only 14 kids required for a wrestling team to be at full staff. But they've got kids in the halls. Recruit the halls. Pay attention to the little league games. Hit up the guy that bought an activity bus to haul the Little League team to games... .He loves South soooo much... and then sent his daughter to Gray Stone Day so she could swim there instead.
Redistricting could work... But you are going to have to take a massive chunk of East and Central (geographically) to get 100 kids. 100 kids. Is it possible that South's troubles will be alleviated with 100 kids? I feel like it won't.
I remember back when North Davidson was having a good season if they won 6 games. It was about 30 years ago. They hadn't beaten Lexington or Thomasville since the 70s. A good crop of kids came in and helped turn the program in the right direction. Then in the mid/late 90s they struggled a bit. Then the ship righted again.
My suggestion is... South isn't going to win in football. Ever. Redistricting to help their football situation isn't worth the effort.
Yes, there are only 14 kids required for a wrestling team to be at full staff. But they've got kids in the halls. Recruit the halls. Pay attention to the little league games. Hit up the guy that bought an activity bus to haul the Little League team to games... .He loves South soooo much... and then sent his daughter to Gray Stone Day so she could swim there instead.
Redistricting could work... But you are going to have to take a massive chunk of East and Central (geographically) to get 100 kids. 100 kids. Is it possible that South's troubles will be alleviated with 100 kids? I feel like it won't.
I remember back when North Davidson was having a good season if they won 6 games. It was about 30 years ago. They hadn't beaten Lexington or Thomasville since the 70s. A good crop of kids came in and helped turn the program in the right direction. Then in the mid/late 90s they struggled a bit. Then the ship righted again.
My suggestion is... South isn't going to win in football. Ever. Redistricting to help their football situation isn't worth the effort.
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Been with the coaches outside of the community they stay a year maybe two, hill had been there for 19 years first 3 year coach since 2012 thats when crowell passed away that had been there forever, shelton was another local that was that was HC for 6-7 years and had been with Hill for the last 3 as an asst. Its not tbe coaching it is the administration and AD is there for a paycheck no support from them at all, if you dont believe it reach out to some of the past HC or even asst coachs that have been there,
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Agreed. Give Brier Creek to South Davidson. However, Silver Valley students could all fit very comfortably into Brier Creek as well. Close Silver Valley. Save money.
That being said... I know this for a fact. Silver Valley community would lose their minds.
No easy fix. No fix that makes everyone happy, anyway.
For those not familiar, Silver Valley was redistricted to go to South Davidson when that high school was completed. Silver Valley belonged to Central Davidson prior.
I agree the lines are so confrotational in that area and no one wants to budge on their school
I hear south Davidson has a person in mind who they want to hire but I do not know if that person has applied but i will say tho is : IF this person get the job how long would he stay at SD because it is someone that has a BIG name within the county so he would be a HOT candidate for any job but again IDK if that person applied
They have roughly 5 candidates and I believe interviews are happening soon n they pick 2 from 5 to move on to the next round
I do know only 1 person who is in the running
South should have hired Joe Howard from Tyro Middle long ago. So should have WD... Too late. Coach Howard is retiring.
Toughest job in the state. Period. The culture is ingrained and difficult to change... Not impossible.
High Point Allen Jay had similar enrollment in the 60s and 70s. Beat Denton 50 or 60 to nothing on a regular basis. Went to an Eastern State Championship against Ahoskie with 23 players.
It's about administrative and community support or lack thereof. It's about attitude and culture. And changing that comes first and foremost. Winning is a learned behavior, as is losing. It's an expectation and becomes a lifestyle. Nevermind that SD has to deal with the brand that it has, rightfully or wrongfully because of ... Ahem... Old ways...
Toughest job in the state. Period. The culture is ingrained and difficult to change... Not impossible.
High Point Allen Jay had similar enrollment in the 60s and 70s. Beat Denton 50 or 60 to nothing on a regular basis. Went to an Eastern State Championship against Ahoskie with 23 players.
It's about administrative and community support or lack thereof. It's about attitude and culture. And changing that comes first and foremost. Winning is a learned behavior, as is losing. It's an expectation and becomes a lifestyle. Nevermind that SD has to deal with the brand that it has, rightfully or wrongfully because of ... Ahem... Old ways...
There a coach at ND they wanna to hire he would be the "favorite" if that said coach did apply but I think even if he did go - I believe he wouldnt stay long at SD
One did apply but i heard he unapplied for some reason
Well if its the guy i know it is i aint surprise bc his name is well known with the county
Wow black knight nut you are such a football expert and know so much about us at SDHS and Southern Davidson County, I suppose we should hire YOU. Actually, it’s about numbers so you take your beloved Black Knights with 100+ kids out for football annually and go to battle with just 25 kids and half of them freshmen and sophomores. You couldn’t beat Salisbury but you have all the answers for us? It’s our lack of administrative or community support? That’s so laughable but you football experts carry on…
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You should. I would actually build a program lol. Won 4 in a row before that one but nice troll. You took something personal that was not personal. Grow up lol
Dont have a dog in this fight, and not getting on sides im pulling for SD no matter how much administrative trouble they have there, but North Moore still has 550 students, SD still only has less than 350 which goes back to distict lines they must change
Cant remember the year, shelton was HC, that season they had five or 6 wins and the most students enrolled at 521
Shelton was 6-6 three straight years 2000-2002 I believe. May have the years wrong off the top of my head
Agreed. It's more the tradition or lack thereof that was similar for years. Like Chatham Central as well. Those three were the bottom of the YVC for years but on occasion a good team would rise up. I'm cheering for South hard. I want all DC teams to be good. Except Ledford lol
2nd Interviews are taking place Wednesday. Down to the final two, I presume.
South could have 550 kids and they still wouldn't win 6 games a year. Sit down, look at the maps and look how enormous the district would need to be in order to get 200 more kids... Even taking Brier Creek away from East Davidson won't do that.
Off topic, kind of... But what about a couple of big names down in the South area adding a little bit more supplement to the new coach's pay. Sweeten the pot a little. No, South isn't an affluent area, but there are a few "super fans" that might pony up. I'm thinking of one guy who made a mint after selling his business... Of course, he sent his kid to Gray Stone Day to swim... so maybe this is a bad idea after all.
Another, perhaps unpopular opinion... Maybe close South and split them up amongst East and Central.
Then East would likely have the biggest population in the county... Guess what? They'd still struggle.
Off topic, kind of... But what about a couple of big names down in the South area adding a little bit more supplement to the new coach's pay. Sweeten the pot a little. No, South isn't an affluent area, but there are a few "super fans" that might pony up. I'm thinking of one guy who made a mint after selling his business... Of course, he sent his kid to Gray Stone Day to swim... so maybe this is a bad idea after all.
Another, perhaps unpopular opinion... Maybe close South and split them up amongst East and Central.
Then East would likely have the biggest population in the county... Guess what? They'd still struggle.