Yes. I agree 100%. In that regard his resume is better than Brohm and Frost... combined! But my point is that it is his first good season at ISU. Just one season. Sometimes you catch a tiger by the tail and go on a run. I still consider him a risk. And if we are going to make a risk hire I would prefer Frost.
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One thing that I think needs to be added to this conversation is how good the Big XII is. Last time I checked, their conference hasn’t made the National Championship game since Texas did vs. Alabama in 2009. The last time a Big XII team made the Playoff, Clemson boat raced Oklahoma. If I was Matt Campbell, I would stay put in Ames.
What it tells me is he isnt going to cutt off his nose to spite his face. It tells me he isnt afraid to do things behind the scenes and it sounds like MR wont be here next year.
Scott frost is on the list in his desk so he isnt going to not consider him just because of ego or anything else.
He still chose how to answer what he answered, as an AD with a current sitting HC.
The biggest thing i like is how vocal he is being with the fanbase in these interviews. He seems to have a good head on his shoulders. He seems to get the idea and expectations of what fans want.
If he doesnt hire SF he had better land a bigger trophy, but as far as up and comers i will be displeased if he hires someone like Matt Campbell over SF.
I am not declaring him to be any sort of guru, but so far i like what i am hearing/seeing from the AD.
I would advise caution when discussing the relative strength of wins of the candidates in the assumed coaching pool.
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But Frost is a better candidate because he plays a **** schedule and has access to some of the premiere talent in the country a stone' throw from his stadium, and Campbell has it easy in the middle of Iowa against power 5 opponents ... uh huh.
Jeez people, just admit you want Scott because he played here under TO, and it gives you the fuzzies. For ***** sake I don' even care if that's the reason. No need to try and run down coaches that are probably more impressive.
He could have ALMOST said the same about a number of other coaches if asked. I'm not going to read too much into it.
What question do you think he answered? The actual question was "how familiar are you with Scott Frost and how closely are you following him at Central Florida?"
If Bahe would have asked him the same question and instead used Matt Campbell and Iowa St he could have said the same things.
I agree he is saying the right things, he knows how to do his job, but you are interpreting and drawing conclusions based on what you want to happen.
Guarantee the majority of the fan base doesn't know who Matt Campbell is today.
so you are stuck on the Scott Frost thing?
Is that when you chose to respond?
It is clear SF is on his list... that is all the information i can say with any certainty regarding his answer on SF
I listened to the interview live so am referencing outside just what is quoted inside this thread.
Hell the initial thing you quoted me on wasnt even in the conversation regarding Scott Frost. It was the question about Florida Firing its coach and maybe getting a head start on possible coaches...
Are you arguing just to argue here, no matter what i say you have to play devils advocate? I guess i dont get what your point is here.
But it was a bad hire. So it can also be that if Bob in Chester had to goggle the next head coach it is possible that its a bad hire.
Lol. You are on to me. My original post made it sound as if I am attacking Brohm and Campbell as bad coaches or inferior to Frost I guess. Not my intention. Just agreeing with your point that fans get all hyped up for the latest up and comer coach only to turn on him when he loses a few. Campbell looks like a good coach. As I did say above, his resume is better than Frost's and Brohm' combined. And I never said Campbell has it easy. Don't exaggerate my point just to make it look stupid so you can lampoon it.
Some of our fans like Campbell. No issue there. But how quickly will they sour on him if he loses a couple down the stretch here? If he starts to lose he will fade as just the latest fad.
All that said, yes, I like Frost's connection to Nebraska. It does give me the fuzzies as you put it. I like that. I may borrow it.
But my biggest reason for wanting Frost here is that I think our fractured and bruised and long suffering fan base would really rally around this hire. Popular opinion can often be wrong, and the cheering mob can quickly turn into a churlish rabble if things don't go right. But I sense something very hopeful in how our fans feel about Frost coming here. I think it would give our fan base a shot of adrenaline. Some mojo. Something positive. I think Frost can provide that.
I think you need to re-read the thread. You started questioning me. I didn't even reply to you until you quoted me. So don't try and make this into I was arguing just to argue. I would never have responded to you had you not directly quoted me.
All due respect jflores, but Moos would know this is without any doubt a question he was going to get. If he didn't have a strong answer he'd look like the biggest dumbass in the state. I'd have been shocked if he said anything different than this.
So Matt Campbell is a bad hire? You are confusing the issue here. The point is simply that there are probably a thousand coaches in NCAA football that the Nebraska fan base has no clue who they are. The fact that Bob in Chester doesn't know who they are should not disqualify them from the running.
Matt Campbell is a great young coach, that 95% of the fan base wouldn't know if he sat next to them at a bar.
Okay i quoted you with regard toward the same point i just made above. The point remains in my previous post with this correction.
Your point has been "meh any AD would say this"
When i was referencing the entire Interview and not just this, i was referencing Moos body of "work" if you will as a whole since becoming our AD in the way he has presented his thoughts and opinions in the various interviews. You made the claim that we think he is some sort of Genius because he talked glowingly about SF when that was not the case - Sure it is reassuring to know how he feels about SF, that he might be on the short list. You are trying to paint everyone who wants frost here with a insanely large brush here.
So who is arguing just to argue? You directed comments at me. I didn't reply to you, don't believe I ever have before.
The comments I made were about the support of Bill Moos. If Bill Moos doesn't hire Scott Frost, the vocal members of the fan base will turn on him. Any sort of equity he is building right now will be gone because he made the "wrong hire". We have seen it before.
Now you say he "might be on the short list" a couple of posts ago, you stated that the comments Moos made virtually guaranteed he was on the short list.
Campbell is a good hire
Frost is a good hire
Both would be considered very good hires for NU. The best news for both of them is they will be following a coach that no one wanted in the first place and that almost no one is still defending. That will be refreshing.
Frost is a good hire
Both would be considered very good hires for NU. The best news for both of them is they will be following a coach that no one wanted in the first place and that almost no one is still defending. That will be refreshing.
I have already stated if Bill Moos doesnt hire Frost ill be okay with it, but it better be someone MUCH MUCH Better. Someone like Matt Campbell doesnt fit into Much Muhc better (for me anyway).
I cannot pretend to read the AD's mind and know what is in his top drawer but it sure sounds like SF is on the dagon list, sure sounds like he is a consideration, sure sounds like he gets it that Nebraska fans are being very vocal about wanting SF. However i word it that is the point.
You dont read things before quoting too often do ya?
I don't recall that he said he was "always searching" but rather kept a list of coaches he would like to hire should the need arise suddenly. Big difference to me but maybe not.
Are you every member of the vocal fan base?
As for your pretending to read the ADs mind, this whole thread is about people trying to read the man's mind.
The entire premise for your responses to me were about you attempting to read into what he said.
Didn't I also state that many people, yourself included, will grasp on to Moos' comments and attempt to read into them in an attempt to show that he is leaning the way they want?
Perhaps it is you that doesn't read things before quoting.
Thank you for making my point.
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Talking about the interview today, he said he is always searching, and it would be easy with his network and connections to make things happen fast
I would have expected something more along the lines of "We have a good coach right now and we're still evaluating the program and where we want to be. Scott certainly has roots in this state and is as good a young coaching prospect as any that has come along, but I've not had the chance to interact with him directly in my professional history. I expect him to be coaching in the P5 sooner than later."
Or something kinda AD speak. Laying out Frost's resume on the radio really only has a few possible purposes.
1. Sell the fan base. This is NU. He's Frost. Not really necessary. We know the history.
2. Signal that he "gets it". There have been questions whether he's going to come in and pull a Leach out of a clown car just because someone like a Leach is proven, and Moos is known for going after established guys. Or whether he'd lean a lot on his "fit" ideals and go get someone like a Frost.
Edit: There's a third option that this is just as much signalling to UF or UT that we don't have an AD that's going to just let them steal "our" hot candidate.
I think this was just as much him letting the fan base know, yes I know Frost, I know his background, I know his fit, and he's not going to be lost in some coaching search that consists of Leach and two guys you never heard of but are pretty good coaches (Babers or Campbell or whatever) because I want to maintain my reputation for independence and telling a fanbase where it needs to go.
I would imagine this statement has a calming effect. If anything, it puts to rest the idea that he wouldn't consider Frost because he's not experienced or proven enough.
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I like Matt Campbell a lot, but I don't see Moos paying his $10 million buyout when he can hire the hometown hero Frost for a lot less.
Frost doesn't have the big-time wins that Campbell has, but that's not his fault. He's blown out almost every team he's played this year, including a 7-1 Memphis team that is ranked in the Top 25 and would probably beat us handily. If you look at the Florida message boards, Frost is #1 on many of their fans' wish lists. So even if he didn't play here, I think he'd be on our list as well.
Frost doesn't have the big-time wins that Campbell has, but that's not his fault. He's blown out almost every team he's played this year, including a 7-1 Memphis team that is ranked in the Top 25 and would probably beat us handily. If you look at the Florida message boards, Frost is #1 on many of their fans' wish lists. So even if he didn't play here, I think he'd be on our list as well.
I think one thing that can't be stressed enough is that this coaching search is a bit different than the ones that came before.
This isn't Tulsa Tom pining for Turner Gill just cuz "Nebraska Way" when Gill didn't have a chance in hell of running a top flight Blue Blood school. And the rest of the nation going .... "who the hell is Turner Gill as a coach?"
Mostly, the rest of the nation now covets the Nebraska guy. Which is an entirely different dynamic.
This isn't Tulsa Tom pining for Turner Gill just cuz "Nebraska Way" when Gill didn't have a chance in hell of running a top flight Blue Blood school. And the rest of the nation going .... "who the hell is Turner Gill as a coach?"
Mostly, the rest of the nation now covets the Nebraska guy. Which is an entirely different dynamic.
You are on a roll. Couple of good posts. Good stuff
This state would errupt if we hired another no name coach. I don't see Moos doing that.
Sure seems to know a lot about the guy. I mean it shouldn’t shock anyone, maybe unless your shocked we seems to have an athelitic director that has a functioning brain and a plan for a change.
I think there a. a MAJOR difference between doing it at Southwest technology state and doing it at Iowa State. Mid major coaches are doing it against other mid major programs.. Campbell beat Oklahoma on the road and turned around and beat TCU.
I know Bob and he just got a wireless router now that he finally has cell phone service. He doesn't have much to do these days since he retired from Lambriar's. His biggest weekly decision is whether to go to the super Walmart in Fairbury or the one in York, as it's 47 miles either way.
Such a small world... Hard to believe you know Bob too!
I would be happy with Frost but Campbell has shown he can beat top 5 teams with inferior talent.. which is something we will need if we are gunna compete with Ohio State, Penn State , Michigan, etc..
Not knocking Frost but I think Matt Campbell has shown more. As of today.
Not knocking Frost but I think Matt Campbell has shown more. As of today.
Y'all acting like the timing of Florida's firing is going to affect the timetable for Frost. The leverage talk that someone had on here last week made a lot of sense. The coaches are ultimately in the driver's seat. We'll know soon enough on Nov. 25th.
I think Campbell has a very bright future. If Frost wasn't a candidate, I'd be all in on Campbell.
Btw, I've been a long time visitor of the boards for years, thought i'd start posting. Be kind!
1) It's safe to say Scott's on his list.
2) I don't think I could ever imagine Silent Shawn answering a question like that.
2) I don't think I could ever imagine Silent Shawn answering a question like that.
He is a good coach. No doubt. But how good? That is the unknown to me. But if we hire him instead of Frost I would be ok with that. For me, right now, uniting the fan base is important. I just think Frost would do that better and he too appears to be a good coach. UCF did beat ranked Memphis and pounded P5 team Maryland. That is not technology state. Not OU and TCU either. That is impressive.
Can we afford Campbell? His buyout from ISU is around 10 million I think.
That might not be up to Moos, for all we know Scott could head to Gainsville and we just might go grab Matt Campbell. The fans won't be angry at Moos for Frost taking another job. They'll tar and feather Frost if he ever steps foot across state lines though.
Very good, but simple, 2 sentences. IMO, Moos has backed himself in a corner.
I think those people just wanted anyone they thought would be better than MR.
Five minutes ago some people still wanted MR.