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out of curiosity have you seen the recent Tucker/Hucakbee interview?
I watched the interview. Like you, I have many of the concerns that Tucker expressed although I thought for much of the interview he was putting words in Huckabee's mouth, misconstruing what Huckabee was saying and trying to play "gotcha" way too much.
Tucker spent an hour intimating that Israel doesn't have a right to exist. I thought Huckabee explained why they do have that right but Tucker just didn't want to hear it. Huckabee said a few times that, unlike Israel, the other countries like England are not being threatened to be destroyed. Tucker didn't want to hear that.
I agree that Huckabee seems to be in the tank for Israel. I do think that Israel has undue influence over our government and I don't like it. But I don't think any of us know for sure how much of a threat Iran is to America.
One of the reasons I voted for Trump is that he is not beholden to the military industrial complex and he is against forever wars unlike every other president I can remember in my lifetime. So I put trust in Trump. I hope he is getting good intelligence. I hope that intelligence is not coming from Israel. I think he wants to make a deal or force Iran's hand in other nonmilitary ways. Trump is pro-Israel but you do realize that he was being pushed very hard for regime-change war with Iran immediately after the bombing of the nuclear facilities and he resisted.
 

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I watched the interview. Like you, I have many of the concerns that Tucker expressed although I thought for much of the interview he was putting words in Huckabee's mouth, misconstruing what Huckabee was saying and trying to play "gotcha" way too much.
Tucker spent an hour intimating that Israel doesn't have a right to exist. I thought Huckabee explained why they do have that right but Tucker just didn't want to hear it. Huckabee said a few times that, unlike Israel, the other countries like England are not being threatened to be destroyed. Tucker didn't want to hear that.
I agree that Huckabee seems to be in the tank for Israel. I do think that Israel has undue influence over our government and I don't like it. But I don't think any of us know for sure how much of a threat Iran is to America.
One of the reasons I voted for Trump is that he is not beholden to the military industrial complex and he is against forever wars unlike every other president I can remember in my lifetime. So I put trust in Trump. I hope he is getting good intelligence. I hope that intelligence is not coming from Israel. I think he wants to make a deal or force Iran's hand in other nonmilitary ways. Trump is pro-Israel but you do realize that he was being pushed very hard to go to war with Iran immediately after the bombing of the nuclear facilities and he resisted.
Thanks for sharing. Some of this anti-Israeli stuff I refuse to watch. As much as I've respected Tucker, his Jewish bigotry and antisemitism is a bridge too far me. Not sure why he harbors such ill will towards Israel, but as I've pointed out ITT, this isn't totally unexpected when it comes to Israel and the end times (which I sincerely believe we're living through now).

Your post was informative but honestly not surprising to me considering how much Tucker Carlson and others like him are always looking for ways to oppose American support for Israel. I'm just glad Trump isn't listening to them either.
 

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Thanks for sharing. Some of this anti-Israeli stuff I refuse to watch. As much as I've respected Tucker, his Jewish bigotry and antisemitism is a bridge too far me. Not sure why he harbors such ill will towards Israel, but as I've pointed out ITT, this isn't totally unexpected when it comes to Israel and the end times (which I sincerely believe we're living through now).

Your post was informative but honestly not surprising to me considering how much Tucker Carlson and others like him are always looking for ways to oppose American support for Israel. I'm just glad Trump isn't listening to them either.
Unfortunately, it's looking like there is going to be war with Iran soon. Something interesting I heard is that General "Raising" Caine is against the US attacking Iran now for many tactical reasons. Trump has tremendous respect for the General so maybe he will hit pause on this....I hope.
 
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Unfortunately, it's looking like there is going to be war with Iran soon. Something interesting I heard is that General "Raising" Caine is against the US attacking Iran now for many tactical reasons. Trump has tremendous respect for the General so maybe he will hit pause on this....I hope.
No one wants war. However how many countries today have openly sworn their existence to our destruction? Even the Chi-Coms, for all of their disdain for us, haven't been that brash...ditto for the Russians, although I'm sure both are not opposed to seeing our demise.

Iran is different because they are actively sworn to our destruction, and are diligently pursuing their objective via proxy through Israel. Their Nuclear program, even decimated, isn't terminated. Their stated objectives (destruction of our chief ally Israel and ultimately us) haven't been rescinded. Trump's term is temporary, the Iranian Mullah's allegiance to their sworn Faith is permanent until or unless they're eliminated. If we don't deal with them now, we'll have to deal with them later, perhaps after they acquire a nuclear weapon and have the capability to use it against Israel or us!

Trump is determined NOT to let that happen.
 

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Does Israel have nukes? Says who? How'd they get those?

Iran DOES NOT point nukes at US bases because it DOES NOT HAVE NUKES!!!!! But if you ask Bibi they will have them next week right?..... Right? He did say they were 9 months away from a nuke...... 14 YEAR AGO!!!!
Netanyahu's Iran cartoon bomb timed to make big impact | Reuters

Didnt we bomb them last June to eliminate their nuclear program? why would that be a threat to us now? Was that attack not effective?
That wasn’t nearly as bad as the American people electing Jew hater Obama. How many people died from that pallet of money
 
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That wasn’t nearly as bad as the American people electing Jew hater Obama. How many people died from that pallet of money

 

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Just to answer you, No I have not. However I'm well aware of the Left's (and its anti-Israeli media's) ongoing campaign against Israel. Most of it I ignore, but I'm familiar with how much disdain there is in America today for Israel. (your posts prove part of that) So, I'm Praying for them (and you too) to read more Scripture, because it most definitely mentions folks like yourselves during the end times, and more importantly what's going to happen you if you continue to defy Israel's existence.
You know how I feel as a believer in christ about protecting Isreal and probably read me and indy conversations.
Jews here in America are as corrupt and fraudulent as any Somalia in Minnesota. Go to lakewood NJ and see just how they are and follthe politicians who they buy . It disgust say the least . I would rather drive through Camden midnight Friday than lakewood Sunday at noon.
 

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Thanks for sharing. Some of this anti-Israeli stuff I refuse to watch. As much as I've respected Tucker, his Jewish bigotry and antisemitism is a bridge too far me. Not sure why he harbors such ill will towards Israel, but as I've pointed out ITT, this isn't totally unexpected when it comes to Israel and the end times (which I sincerely believe we're living through now).

Your post was informative but honestly not surprising to me considering how much Tucker Carlson and others like him are always looking for ways to oppose American support for Israel. I'm just glad Trump isn't listening to them either.
Pointing out wrong within a race or religion dont make you a racist or bigots
 

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Just to answer you, No I have not. However I'm well aware of the Left's (and its anti-Israeli media's) ongoing campaign against Israel. Most of it I ignore, but I'm familiar with how much disdain there is in America today for Israel. (your posts prove part of that) So, I'm Praying for them (and you too) to read more Scripture, because it most definitely mentions folks like yourselves during the end times, and more importantly what's going to happen you if you continue to defy Israel's existence.
So you think Tucker is part of the left now?
 

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So you think Tucker is part of the left now?
He's not part of the Left, but the Left has an active anti-Israeli media campaign which he participates in. They've obviously been effective convincing him, you and others like you to hate Israel.
 

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America first, that is all I ask and I believe we have many in our government that have dual loyalties at best and see the good of America secondary to that of a foreign country at worst
No politician should have dual citizenship!
and we need to treat all foreign lobbying groups as such
 
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America first, that is all I ask and I believe we have many in our government that have dual loyalties at best and see the good of America secondary to that of a foreign country at worst
No politician should have dual citizenship!
and we need to treat all foreign lobbying groups as such
I honestly believe the difference between the way we view this is based on what we believe? (or don't believe) I obviously believe our future and existence is tied to Israel's...not because I love Israel more than America, but because I see our fates tied by our Faith in Almighty God's Holy Word.

You obviously deny that, perhaps reject that link, and absolutely YOU DO NOT want to see Israel thrive or even survive regardless of whatever perceived Religious ties we may or may not have with them?

That's ironically the essence of the Biblical end times dividing line specifically mentioned when it says "the World will indeed divide over the fate of Jerusalem", when the World lines up (yes even America) in opposition over the future of Israel and in fact conspires to destroy it.

Then, the Bible promises, shall the end come.

“Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. 3 And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it." Zechariah 12:2-3

Signs of the Last Days – the conflict over Jerusalem

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You see that, in the Bible, it says very clearly in many passages that one of the signs of the last days will be the restoration of the Jewish people from their dispersion through the nations back to the land of Israel, back to the Middle East.

And we can see, also from many scriptures, in Ezekiel, in Jeremiah, in Isaiah, in Zechariah and other passages in the Hebrew scriptures as well as, and it is implied in Jesus’ own prophecies concerning the last days that Jerusalem is going to be at the epicenter of the biblical end time events, when the Jewish people return to the land of Israel in the last days.

* I'm not making all this up just to win an argument, I'm quoting Scripture to prove my point about Israel.
 
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America first, that is all I ask and I believe we have many in our government that have dual loyalties at best and see the good of America secondary to that of a foreign country at worst
No politician should have dual citizenship!
and we need to treat all foreign lobbying groups as such
So you'd favor deporting this chick?

Ilhan Omar Brags About Advancing a Somalia First Agenda in Congress

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Omar appears not just to put her Somali ethnicity first but...sees her job in Congress as representing the interests of the east African country and its government. Omar, who accuses Americans who support Israel’s right to exist of “divided loyalty,” seems to have forgotten her job is to look after American interests.
 

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You know how I feel as a believer in christ about protecting Isreal and probably read me and indy conversations.
Jews here in America are as corrupt and fraudulent as any Somalia in Minnesota. Go to lakewood NJ and see just how they are and follthe politicians who they buy . It disgust say the least . I would rather drive through Camden midnight Friday than lakewood Sunday at noon.
The Bible says there are many Jews who will reject Christ and their own Salvation...until the very end when the scales will be lifted from their eyes.

2 Corinthians 4:4 ESV​

In their case the God of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

Remember it was Christ's own people...the Jews...who had him crucified. They simply did not believe he was the promised Messiah...(to this day they still reject him as the Son of Man)

John 1:11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him.
This phrase refers to a biblical verse from John 1:11, which indicates that Jesus came to the Jewish people, who were expected to recognize him as the Messiah, but they did not accept him. It highlights the theme of rejection despite his mission to save and connect with his own people
 
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True, however singling out the wrongs of only one race or Religion makes one wonder what the true intention is?
Totally agree. Thats why I support investigating Jewish in nj . I know many ways they are playing the system at best and complete fraud at worst . I had to work and travel amongst them
 

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I honestly believe the difference between the way we view this is based on what we believe? (or don't believe) I obviously believe our future and existence is tied to Israel's...not because I love Israel more than America, but because I see our fates tied by our Faith in Almighty God's Holy Word.

You obviously deny that, perhaps reject that link, and absolutely YOU DO NOT want to see Israel thrive or even survive regardless of whatever perceived Religious ties we may or may not have with them?

That's ironically the essence of the Biblical end times dividing line specifically mentioned when it says "the World will indeed divide over the fate of Jerusalem", when the World lines up (yes even America) in opposition over the future of Israel and in fact conspires to destroy it.

Then, the Bible promises, shall the end come.

“Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of drunkenness to all the surrounding peoples, when they lay siege against Judah and Jerusalem. 3 And it shall happen in that day that I will make Jerusalem a very heavy stone for all peoples; all who would heave it away will surely be cut in pieces, though all nations of the earth are gathered against it." Zechariah 12:2-3

Signs of the Last Days – the conflict over Jerusalem

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You see that, in the Bible, it says very clearly in many passages that one of the signs of the last days will be the restoration of the Jewish people from their dispersion through the nations back to the land of Israel, back to the Middle East.

And we can see, also from many scriptures, in Ezekiel, in Jeremiah, in Isaiah, in Zechariah and other passages in the Hebrew scriptures as well as, and it is implied in Jesus’ own prophecies concerning the last days that Jerusalem is going to be at the epicenter of the biblical end time events, when the Jewish people return to the land of Israel in the last days.

* I'm not making all this up just to win an argument, I'm quoting Scripture to prove my point about Israel.
Im all for protection of Isreal. Im a firm believer in Christ the father , the son and holy spirit....
We give them billions for protection and they send it over here to buy up land at a price normal people cant do . Can't let them keep doing this
 

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So you'd favor deporting this chick?

Ilhan Omar Brags About Advancing a Somalia First Agenda in Congress

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Omar appears not just to put her Somali ethnicity first but...sees her job in Congress as representing the interests of the east African country and its government. Omar, who accuses Americans who support Israel’s right to exist of “divided loyalty,” seems to have forgotten her job is to look after American interests.
In a heartbeat, her and her brother! 😅
 

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Does Israel have nukes? Says who? How'd they get those?
Yeah. That's a pretty easy call.

Israel is a convenient outpost for the US and they fight our enemies. That has a value to the US although it's probably not worth what we give them. There is no question that Israel isn't our best friend and would turn on us in an instant if they thought it was to their advantage. It is a marriage of convenience. We gave the Taliban a shitload of money to fight our enemies too.
 
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Yeah. That's a pretty easy call.

Israel is a convenient outpost for the US and they fight our enemies. That has a value to the US although it's probably not worth what we give them. There is no question that Israel isn't our best friend and would turn on us in an instant if they thought it was to their advantage. It is a marriage of convenience. We gave the Taliban a shitload of money to fight our enemies too.
But they are the reason we have enemies there in the first place. We would not have those enemies if we hadn't been protecting Israel and fighting its wars for decades.

I think Israel sees that they have 0 support from the youth of both the left and the right and see this as their last chance to use the US military to destroy their enemies.

On the other hand if Trump does not support Israel in this war there is only 1 way they can win it and I wonder if Trumps choice is to assist with Iran or risk leaving them to use nuclear weapons
 

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But they are the reason we have enemies there in the first place. We would not have those enemies if we hadn't been protecting Israel and fighting its wars for decades.

I think Israel sees that they have 0 support from the youth of both the left and the right and see this as their last chance to use the US military to destroy their enemies.

On the other hand if Trump does not support Israel in this war there is only 1 way they can win it and I wonder if Trumps choice is to assist with Iran or risk leaving them to use nuclear weapons
If Israel used nukes on Iran, I think they would lose even the little support they have now from the rest of the world, including the US. I don't see how that could be justified.
The US would look weak and untrustworthy if we suddenly stopped supporting Israel because their neighbors want them destroyed. I think that approach would be very damaging to our prestige in the world.
I'm still hoping that negotiations, non-military sanctions and threats will deter Iran and that the people of Iran will kick out the regime.
 
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But they are the reason we have enemies there in the first place. We would not have those enemies if we hadn't been protecting Israel and fighting its wars for decades.

I think Israel sees that they have 0 support from the youth of both the left and the right and see this as their last chance to use the US military to destroy their enemies.

On the other hand if Trump does not support Israel in this war there is only 1 way they can win it and I wonder if Trumps choice is to assist with Iran or risk leaving them to use nuclear weapons
That's simply not true. Muslims have been fighting everyone - Jews, Christians, each other - since the beginning of time. (and yes, Christians and other religious nuts have been fighting forever too but the issue here is Muslims.). Almost every country in the middle east has enemies with other middle eastern countries, even those that share the same religion.

Since 1980 there have been hundreds of Islamic terrorist attacks in the following countries and almost every country has suffered multiple attacks: the US, France, Israel, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Egypt, Jordan, India, the UK, Pakistan, Russia, Kenya, Nigeria, Australia, Canada, Iraq, Yemen, Denmark, Libya, Syria, Tunisia, Afghanistan, Somalia, Tukey, Cameroon, Chad, Bangladesh, Philippines, Bosnia/Herzegovina, Lebanon, Niger, Ivory Coast, Belgium, Germany, Finland, Tajikistan, Morocco, Sri Lanka, Mozambique, New Zealand, Norway, Oman.

Are you telling me the Ivory Coast was attacked due to their support for Israel?

Radical Muslims are full of hate for anyone not them and that includes other Muslims. Pretending they need an excuse like Israel to hate is silly. The list of countries attacked definitively proves that.
 

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That's simply not true. Muslims have been fighting everyone - Jews, Christians, each other - since the beginning of time. (and yes, Christians and other religious nuts have been fighting forever too but the issue here is Muslims.). Almost every country in the middle east has enemies with other middle eastern countries, even those that share the same religion.

Since 1980 there have been hundreds of Islamic terrorist attacks in the following countries and almost every country has suffered multiple attacks: the US, France, Israel, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Spain, Egypt, Jordan, India, the UK, Pakistan, Russia, Kenya, Nigeria, Australia, Canada, Iraq, Yemen, Denmark, Libya, Syria, Tunisia, Afghanistan, Somalia, Tukey, Cameroon, Chad, Bangladesh, Philippines, Bosnia/Herzegovina, Lebanon, Niger, Ivory Coast, Belgium, Germany, Finland, Tajikistan, Morocco, Sri Lanka, Mozambique, New Zealand, Norway, Oman.

Are you telling me the Ivory Coast was attacked due to their support for Israel?

Radical Muslims are full of hate for anyone not them and that includes other Muslims. Pretending they need an excuse like Israel to hate is silly. The list of countries attacked definitively proves that.
Iran is not a threat to the US
Iran did not attack those countries you listed
 

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Iran is not a threat to the US
Iran did not attack those countries you listed
Stop. Don't change the subject.

You said Israel is the reason we have enemies [in the middle east]. Our enemies there hate us for being us. They hated anyone not them for literally centuries. The moorish invasion? the crusades? Chrsitians and muslims have been fighting since their religions first had contact with each other.

We are hated with or without our support for Israel. The list of countries they have terrorized proves that. I concede US support for Israel doesn't help but I won't pretend it is the root cause.

Now, if you want to talk about Iran, let me know but note I didn't even mention Iran.
 
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But they are the reason we have enemies there in the first place. We would not have those enemies if we hadn't been protecting Israel and fighting its wars for decades.

I think Israel sees that they have 0 support from the youth of both the left and the right and see this as their last chance to use the US military to destroy their enemies.

On the other hand if Trump does not support Israel in this war there is only 1 way they can win it and I wonder if Trumps choice is to assist with Iran or risk leaving them to use nuclear weapons
You won't come right out admit it, but people like you in reality want to see Israel defeated because if that happens, it blows up the whole Biblical narrative and end times Prophecies I outlined ITT. What other reason would there be for such universal vitriol for a tiny nation that's barely the population of only 10 million people and roughly the size of Vermont?

How can such a tiny insignificant little country with such a relatively small population (surrounded by millions of Arab neighbors) draw such universal disdain from haters all over the globe? :unsure:

Israel is surrounded by Arab nations much larger in both size and population

Because it's the Spirit of anti-Christ...determined more than anything else to erase Almighty God's promises made to Israel in particular and mankind in general. If Israel is left alone, isolated... to be swallowed up by her surrounding Arab enemies..."pushed into the Sea" as they call for or obliterated by a nuclear strike and wiped out by one nuclear tipped warhead...then the whole "Bible" story of Salvation and the end times Prophecy of Armageddon over the future of Israel is suddenly null and void! Then unbelievers such as yourself can celebrate your secular humanist desires & put an end to Almighty God's authority over human affairs! Then Satan wins the great struggle between "Good and Evil". Heathens everywhere would rejoice! :rolleyes:

That's why Israel is so universally hated. That's why America is hated and despised by non believers, because as long as America stands with Israel, and vice versa...that Bible Prophecy remains alive and not only quite possible, but probable and likely! For as many Americans who've been killed by Arab enemies of BOTH Israel and America, you and your ilk harbor the greatest animosity towards that tiny little country surrounded by hostile enemies yet ordained by Almighty God preserved and protected through his Divine Grace down through the centuries. Praise his Holy name!

Newsflash...despite your non belief and unending hatred for both Israel & America because it stands arm-in-arm with Israel, you will NEVER defeat Israel. Even when America itself turns her back on Israel, Almighty God will then step in and save the land he promised to the descendants of Abraham. World events are rapidly lining up for the final confrontation between Good and Evil over Israel just as the Bible promises. The only question is who will be left standing with Israel when the wrath of Almighty God himself is poured out onto the rest of an Evil & disbelieving world lined up in unison to destroy God's chosen people?

"The Bible teaches the battle of Armageddon will occur at the end of the seven-year tribulation period. All the nations of the world will be gathered in an attempt to defeat and destroy the Jews and the city of Jerusalem, the capital of Israel."

*(btw...Jerusalem was only recently recognized as Israel's Capital under Trump...Dec 2017)

What is the Battle of Armageddon? Which nations will be there?

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Zechariah 14:2 reveals that at the end of the tribulation God will gather the nations of the world against Jerusalem. Why will God gather the nations to one place? Jesus partly answers the question in Matthew 24:9 when He says that the nations of the world will hate the Jews and we can add Christians, as well. Some of the Minor Prophets prophesy that certain nations will be punished for their past opposition to Israel. As a result, God draws the nations to Jerusalem for judgment and then God protects Jerusalem.

*editor's comment:
... if Israel can be defeated or destroyed before "Armageddon" this whole scenario Prophesied in the Bible logically & suddenly becomes a moot point doesn't it? That's why the disbelieving world hates Israel and is so anxious to see Israel isolated & destroyed, to avoid their inevitable doom described in Armageddon.

Fact.

Joel 3:1-2 tells us again that God will gather all of the nations of the world down to Jerusalem. Then when Christ returns, the nations will be judged in the valley of Jehoshaphat. This is where the battle of Armageddon will occur.

For behold, in those days and at that time,
When I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all the nations
And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat.
Then I will enter into judgment with them there
On behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel
, . . . Joel 3:1-2a
 
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Iran is not a threat to the US
Iran did not attack those countries you listed
Wow ... I see why you pimp crypto.
Iran would destroy the u.s if it could...yes could be because we support Isreal and given the chance they would wipe them off the map ...yeah most call it genocide and they would gladly finish Hitlers job.
 
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What I can't figure out is why she stays here if she apparently hates it as much as she says? :unsure:
Funny how socialists Muslims who must run from a socialists Muslim hell hole comes here and then wants more socialists Muslim hell hole
 
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You won't come right out admit it, but people like you in reality want to see Israel defeated because if that happens, it blows up the whole Biblical narrative and end times Prophecies I outlined ITT. What other reason would there be for such universal vitriol for a tiny nation that's barely the population of only 10 million people and roughly the size of Vermont?

How can such a tiny insignificant little country with such a relatively small population (surrounded by millions of Arab neighbors) draw such universal disdain from haters all over the globe? :unsure:

Israel is surrounded by Arab nations much larger in both size and population

Because it's the Spirit of anti-Christ...determined more than anything else to erase Almighty God's promises made to Israel in particular and mankind in general. If Israel is left alone, isolated... to be swallowed up by her surrounding Arab enemies..."pushed into the Sea" as they call for or obliterated by a nuclear strike and wiped out by one nuclear tipped warhead...then the whole "Bible" story of Salvation and the end times Prophecy of Armageddon over the future of Israel is suddenly null and void! Then unbelievers such as yourself can celebrate your secular humanist desires & put an end to Almighty God's authority over human affairs! Then Satan wins the great struggle between "Good and Evil". Heathens everywhere would rejoice! :rolleyes:

That's why Israel is so universally hated. That's why America is hated and despised by non believers, because as long as America stands with Israel, and vice versa...that Bible Prophecy remains alive and not only quite possible, but probable and likely! For as many Americans who've been killed by Arab enemies of BOTH Israel and America, you and your ilk harbor the greatest animosity towards that tiny little country surrounded by hostile enemies yet ordained by Almighty God preserved and protected through his Divine Grace down through the centuries. Praise his Holy name!

Newsflash...despite your non belief and unending hatred for both Israel & America because it stands arm-in-arm with Israel, you will NEVER defeat Israel. Even when America itself turns her back on Israel, Almighty God will then step in and save the land he promised to the descendants of Abraham. World events are rapidly lining up for the final confrontation between Good and Evil over Israel just as the Bible promises. The only question is who will be left standing with Israel when the wrath of Almighty God himself is poured out onto the rest of an Evil & disbelieving world lined up in unison to destroy God's chosen people?

"The Bible teaches the battle of Armageddon will occur at the end of the seven-year tribulation period. All the nations of the world will be gathered in an attempt to defeat and destroy the Jews and the city of Jerusalem, the capital of Israel."

*(btw...Jerusalem was only recently recognized Israel's Capital under Trump...Dec 2017)

What is the Battle of Armageddon? Which nations will be there?

excerpt:
Zechariah 14:2 reveals that at the end of the tribulation God will gather the nations of the world against Jerusalem. Why will God gather the nations to one place? Jesus partly answers the question in Matthew 24:9 when He says that the nations of the world will hate the Jews and we can add Christians, as well. Some of the Minor Prophets prophesy that certain nations will be punished for their past opposition to Israel. As a result, God draws the nations to Jerusalem for judgment and then God protects Jerusalem.

*editor's comment:
... if Israel can be defeated or destroyed before "Armageddon" this whole scenario Prophesied in the Bible logically & suddenly becomes a moot point doesn't it? That's why the disbelieving world hates Israel and is so anxious to see Israel isolated & destroyed, to avoid their inevitable doom described in Armageddon.

Fact.

Joel 3:1-2 tells us again that God will gather all of the nations of the world down to Jerusalem. Then when Christ returns, the nations will be judged in the valley of Jehoshaphat. This is where the battle of Armageddon will occur.
Honestly, I have never been a fan of Israel. But after October 7 and the hostages taken, I hope they wipe out gaza and make luxury neighborhoods on the Mediterranean for their elites after that.

i dont even know the biblical writings about it and have never considered it when considering Israel’s actions. I doub5 most people care
 

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Honestly, I have never been a fan of Israel. But after October 7 and the hostages taken, I hope they wipe out gaza and make luxury neighborhoods on the Mediterranean for their elites after that.

i dont even know the biblical writings about it and have never considered it when considering Israel’s actions. I doub5 most people care
That's why I posted all of that. You're right most folks don't know and too many more don't care or don't actually believe any of it! :( However as a Christian, one of my responsibilities is to proclaim the Gospel...even to disbelievers (the great commission). Therefore no one is left without excuse.

As we fulfill the Great Commission, we are to employ all power.

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Jesus said, “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit…” (Matthew 28:19).

We’ve been commissioned to make disciples everywhere we go. Nobody is left out, nor overlooked—all are lost without Jesus, so we are meant to bring them to Him, whether they are across the world or across the street.
 
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