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he is the president he is the one that gets to make the decision
He is the one who unfortunately has to .... Iran since 1979 has hated the u.s and sponsor terrorist all over the globe. Trump is anti war or at least more so than any other president i can remember. Iran needs to get back to pre 1979 so they can catch up with the rest of the world . Iran can not have nukes .
 
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He is the one who unfortunately has to .... Iran since 1979 has hated the u.s and sponsor terrorist all over the globe. Trump is anti war or at least more so than any other president i can remember. Iran needs to get back to pre 1979 so they can catch up with the rest of the world . Iran can not have nukes .
if we go to war with Iran it wont be because Trump wanted to, it will be because our "greatest ally" has forced his hand or cornered him into it
 

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if we go to war with Iran it wont be because Trump wanted to, it will be because our "greatest ally" has forced his hand or cornered him into it
What has Israel ever done to America that we should despise it as much as Iran and folks on the Left do? :unsure:

Has Israel ever called for "Death to America" or killed Americans in premeditated terrorist attacks? Does Israel point its Nukes at American bases across the Middle East or ever threaten to use them against us?

Serious question.
 

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What has Israel ever done to America that we should despise it as much as Iran and folks on the Left do? :unsure:

Has Israel ever called for "Death to America" or killed Americans in premeditated terrorist attacks? Does Israel point its Nukes at American bases across the Middle East or ever threaten to use them against us?

Serious question.
USS Liberty incident | Facts, Deaths, & Investigation | Britannica

Does Israel have nukes? Says who? How'd they get those?

Iran DOES NOT point nukes at US bases because it DOES NOT HAVE NUKES!!!!! But if you ask Bibi they will have them next week right?..... Right? He did say they were 9 months away from a nuke...... 14 YEAR AGO!!!!
Netanyahu's Iran cartoon bomb timed to make big impact | Reuters

Didnt we bomb them last June to eliminate their nuclear program? why would that be a threat to us now? Was that attack not effective?
 
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USS Liberty incident | Facts, Deaths, & Investigation | Britannica

Does Israel have nukes? Says who? How'd they get those?
My questions to you were specific and direct.

Has Israel ever called for "Death to America" or killed Americans in premeditated terrorist attacks?

Does Israel point its Nukes at American bases across the Middle East or ever threaten to use them against us?

Israel provides for its own Nuclear arsenal has been a member of the exclusive club of Nuclear capable nations for decades.

What do we know about Israel's own nuclear weapons?

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Israel is one of nine countries that are known to have nuclear weapons, along with the US, Russia, the UK, France, China, India, Pakistan and North Korea. It is believed to possess around 90 nuclear warheads and enough plutonium to produce around 200 more nuclear weapons, according to the Nuclear Threat Initiative.
David Ben Gurion, Israel’s first prime minister, launched the nuclear project during the mid to late 1950s. A large complex was built at Dimona, a city in the Negev desert (the site is referred to simply as "Dimona"). It was there that the first batch of plutonium was produced, with help from the French government.
 

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My questions to you were specific and direct.

What has Israel ever done to America that we should despise it as much as Iran and folks on the Left do?

Has Israel ever called for "Death to America" or killed Americans in premeditated terrorist attacks?

Does Israel point its Nukes at American bases across the Middle East or ever threaten to use them against us?

Israel provides for its own Nuclear arsenal has been a member of the exclusive club of Nuclear capable nations for decades.

What do we know about Israel's own nuclear weapons?

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Israel is one of nine countries that are known to have nuclear weapons, along with the US, Russia, the UK, France, China, India, Pakistan and North Korea. It is believed to possess around 90 nuclear warheads and enough plutonium to produce around 200 more nuclear weapons, according to the Nuclear Threat Initiative.
David Ben Gurion, Israel’s first prime minister, launched the nuclear project during the mid to late 1950s. A large complex was built at Dimona, a city in the Negev desert (the site is referred to simply as "Dimona"). It was there that the first batch of plutonium was produced, with help from the French government.

“Most credible accounts point to France’s role in the late 1950s,” Shawn Rostker, a research analyst at the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation, told Middle East Eye.

So I've answered your question completely and provided facts backing it up.

I've also repeated my direct questions to you, so I'm asking what is your similar factual response? :unsure:
Yes Israel has killed US troops
And they have stolen secrets from the US including nuclear secrets.
Did Israel tell us they had nuclear weapons?


Apollo affair - Wikipedia
 

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USS Liberty incident | Facts, Deaths, & Investigation | Britannica

Does Israel have nukes? Says who? How'd they get those?

Iran DOES NOT point nukes at US bases because it DOES NOT HAVE NUKES!!!!! But if you ask Bibi they will have them next week right?..... Right? He did say they were 9 months away from a nuke...... 14 YEAR AGO!!!!
Netanyahu's Iran cartoon bomb timed to make big impact | Reuters

Didnt we bomb them last June to eliminate their nuclear program? why would that be a threat to us now? Was that attack not effective?
Iran has vowed to wipe BOTH Israel and the United States off the face of the Earth. The 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not deliberate according to Israeli sources, it was a communications mistake (arguably still in dispute). However it cannot be denied that Israel today stands with the US as our chief ally in the Middle East, particularly against the Iranian/Russian/Chinese alliance arranged primarily to destroy Israel and ultimately America.
 
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Yes Israel has killed US troops
And they have stolen secrets from the US including nuclear secrets.
Did Israel tell us they had nuclear weapons?


Apollo affair - Wikipedia
Israel has never denied to the US it has a Nuclear Arsenal. What is the current state of American/Israeli cooperation in the Middle East? Would you describe them as our enemy or a reliable ally? Does Israel threaten America's existence or promise our destruction similar to Iran, Russia and/or China, all of whom are close Iranian allies?
 

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Iran has vowed to wipe BOTH Israel and the United States off the face of the Earth. The 1967 Israeli attack on the USS Liberty was not deliberate according to Israeli sources, it was a communications mistake (arguably still in dispute). However it cannot be denied that Israel today stands with the US as our Chief ally in the Middle East, particularly against the Iranian/Russian/Chinese alliance arranged primarily to destroy Israel and ultimately America.
lol at least they said it was an accident.... as Epstein would say "Whoops"
 

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Israel has never denied to the US it has a Nuclear Arsenal. What is the current state of American/Israeli cooperation in the Middle East? Would you describe them as our enemy or a reliable ally? Does Israel threaten America's existence or promise our destruction similar to Iran, Russia and/or China, all of whom are close Iranian allies?
Who is Johnathan Pollard?
 

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lol at least they said it was an accident.... as Epstein would say "Whoops"
It's a simple question. Do you believe Israel has as one its primary and stated goals, the destruction of America similar to the stated objectives of the Iranian supreme Islamic leadership?

Yes or No? :unsure:
 

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It's a simple question. Do you believe Israel has as one its primary and stated goals, the destruction of America similar to the stated objectives of the Iranian supreme Islamic leadership?

Yes or No? :unsure:
No then they would have no one to protect them, much more useful to keep us around
 
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Who is Johnathan Pollard?
That is not the answer to my question. The answer to your question is he's a convicted Israeli spy sentenced to Life for violations of the espionage act for illegally spying on America. Are you denying we also have "spied" on Israel? Our allies in Great Britain, France and other nations also have spied on us too 'ya know? (as we do on them) ;)
 

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That is not the answer to my question. The answer to your question is he's a convicted Israeli spy sentenced to Life for violations of the espionage act for illegally spying on America. Are you denying we also have "spied" on Israel? Our allies in Great Britain, France and other nations also have spied on us too 'ya know? (as we do on them) ;)
sentenced to life? so he is in prison?
 

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I'll give you the answer no he is not in jail, Johnathan Pollard flew back to Israel on the plane of Sheldon/Miriam Adelson
 

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No then they would have no one to protect them, much more useful to keep us around
Agreed. As it's also in our interest to keep Israel sovereign and free. In case you weren't aware, it's Biblical.

The Bible has a lot to say about Israel, a land that holds special importance for many Christians. It is the birthplace of our faith and home to key events in the lives of Biblical figures. Because of this, protecting Israel is a significant topic for Christians around the world.

Rethinking Support for Israel: A Biblical Approach Beyond Politics

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Romans 9 lays the foundation for understanding Jewish identity not by ethnicity, but by promise and faith. Paul makes it clear that "they are not all Israel, which are of Israel" (Romans 9:6). This echoes a consistent theme throughout Scripture: spiritual lineage through faith takes precedence over genetic descent.

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Abraham is called the father of many nations not because of his genetic lineage, but because of his faith. Romans 4 reminds believers that it was Abraham's belief that was “counted unto him for righteousness.” This principle transcends ethnicity—it is the foundation of salvation for both Jew and Gentile.

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Some theological traditions have advanced “replacement theology,” the idea that the Church has permanently replaced Israel in God’s plan. This view fails to account for key prophetic promises and dismisses the future national restoration of Israel.



Scripture points to a distinct role for national Israel in end-time prophecy. Romans 11 anticipates a future when “all Israel shall be saved.” This doesn’t mean every descendant of Abraham will believe, but that God’s covenant with national Israel remains intact and will be fulfilled according to His timeline.

The Church and Israel serve different roles in God’s plan—but both find their fulfillment through faith in Jesus Christ.


*Editor's note
I do understand if you are not Christian or even a believer these things are insignificant to you. However consider the fact that Israel stands alone as the only nation to which all of these events surround. It is the only nation on Earth capable of fulfilling these prophetic pronouncements. We as a Nation founded on Biblical principles tied to the God of Abraham would be wise to follow the warnings in the Holy Scriptures against turning on Israel in the end times.


"Prophecy: The Bible contains numerous prophecies about nations turning against Israel in the end times. This is seen as a sign of the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy and the coming of the end times."

Bible verses about when nations turn against Israel
"the Bible portrays Israel’s future restoration to its land and spiritual renewal. In texts like Ezekiel 37, Zechariah 14, Romans 9-11, and throughout the book of Revelation, Israel’s role emerges with clarity: though facing tribulation, the nation ultimately experiences deliverance, fulfills covenantal promises, and serves as a monumental example of God’s faithfulness to His word."

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Linked (above)) are twelve powerful Bible verses about when nations turn against Israel

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You can deny Israel, and you can deny America's Biblical heritage connected to Israel, however it is impossible to deny Scripture as well as Almighty God's promises to see it fulfilled 100%, as it has been down through the centuries with perfect accuracy (including the end times Prophesy of Israel's existence even today!)

"throughout the Old Testament, to the concluding visions found in the New Testament’s apocalyptic literature (e.g., Revelation), Israel functions as a focal point for future events. Many passages present a picture of restoration, renewed covenant faithfulness, and judgment that culminates in worldwide implications"

What does the Bible say about Israel in End Times?
 
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I'll give you the answer no he is not in jail, Johnathan Pollard flew back to Israel on the plane of Sheldon/Miriam Adelson

Like all Leftists, you lied surrounding all the LEGAL circumstances around Pollard's conviction. Specifically you left out the fact his espionage was admitted to by the Israeli Government, which subsequently apologized for his failures. You also failed to mention he was actually convicted and served time for his alleged crimes, and you didn't mention he served all the time he was sentenced to before being LEGALLY released!

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Pollard was released from prison on November 20, 2015, in accordance with federal guidelines at the time of his sentencing.[9] On November 20, 2020, his parole expired and all restrictions were eliminated.[10] On December 30, 2020, Pollard and his second wife relocated to Israel and settled in Jerusalem.[11][12]

His release had nothing to do with the video you linked, because it had happened years before Adelson donated to the Trump campaign. You equated his release to the donation which is factually and patently FALSE!

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Details on Jonathan Pollard arrest, conviction, release
 

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Like all Leftists, you lied surrounding all the LEGAL circumstances around Pollard's conviction. Specifically you left out the fact his espionage was admitted to by the Israeli Government, which subsequently apologized for his failures. You also failed to mention he was actually convicted and served time for his alleged crimes, and you didn't mention he served all the time he was sentenced to before being LEGALLY released!

(from search sources)
Pollard was released from prison on November 20, 2015, in accordance with federal guidelines at the time of his sentencing.[9] On November 20, 2020, his parole expired and all restrictions were eliminated.[10] On December 30, 2020, Pollard and his second wife relocated to Israel and settled in Jerusalem.[11][12]

His release had nothing to do with the video you linked, because it had happened years before Adelson donated to the Trump campaign. You equated his release to the donation which is factually and patently FALSE!

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Details on Jonathan Pollard arrest, conviction, release
i was not intending to draw a straight line from that donation to his being released, as you said he was released a long time ago

that was just to point out that the same people that are friendly with these spies are still ingrained in the white house today

do we want to start on Lutnick too?
 

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i was not intending to draw a straight line from that donation to his being released, as you said he was released a long time ago

that was just to point out that the same people that are friendly with these spies are still ingrained in the white house today

do we want to start on Lutnick too?
No because you didn't specify when you linked that video that it (Pollard's release) had nothing to do with Adelson's donation to the Trump campaign. You conflated them, either intentionally, or by inference.

So there's no more need for us to exchange. I'm aware of your obvious hatred for Israel, you've both explicitly and implicitly made that very clear, so I know exactly where you're coming from. :rolleyes:

However I'd advise you throughout recorded human history all the haters of Israel from Pharaoh, to Hitler, all the way up to including today's Israeli haters who are dutiful members of the worldwide radical Islamic Caliphate... have ALL met the same deadly fate after confronting Israel. You'd be wise to avoid a similar fate because of your obvious & demonstrable hatred of the land Almighty God has promised & called home for his chosen people.

I do appreciate you keeping your comments with me civil absent the childish name calling so many on your side revert to when confronted with unassailable facts.
 
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No because you didn't specify when you linked that video that it was because of Adelson's donation to the Trump campaign. There's no more need for us to exchange. I'm aware of your hatred for Israel, you've both explicitly and implicitly made that very clear, so I know where you're coming from.

However I'd advise you throughout recorded human history all the haters of Israel from Pharaoh, to Hitler, all the way up to including today's haters as members of the radical Islamic Caliphate... have met the same fate after confronting Israel. You'd be wise to avoid a similar fate because of your obvious & demonstrable hatred of the land Almighty God has called home for his chosen people.

I do appreciate you keeping your comments with me civil absent the childish name calling so many on your side revert to when confronted with unassailable facts.
I grew up southern baptist
the bible...

Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
 

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I grew up southern baptist
the bible...

Revelation 2:9
I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.

Revelation 3:9
Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
I'm glad you know Christ and Almighty God's promises through him and his Holy Word to Israel. I'll Pray for you to know & believe it even better. 🙏
 
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I'm glad you know Christ and Almighty God's promises through him and his Holy Word about Israel. I'll Pray for you to know it better.
out of curiosity have you seen the recent Tucker/Hucakbee interview?
 

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out of curiosity have you seen the recent Tucker/Hucakbee interview?
Just to answer you, No I have not. However I'm well aware of the Left's (and its anti-Israeli media's) ongoing campaign against Israel. Most of it I ignore, but I'm familiar with how much disdain there is in America today for Israel. (your posts prove part of that) So, I'm Praying for them (and you too) to read more Scripture, because it most definitely mentions folks like yourselves during the end times, and more importantly what's going to happen you if you continue to defy Israel's existence.