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oldjar07

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After the Colorado game, I think there's a lot more positive things to look forward to than negative. However I do have some concerns about the season moving forward and how Frost responds to adversity.

Penalties, drops, mistakes, etc. have been hashed out already, but I thought our tackling was God awful yesterday. Way too many times we had an opportunity to bring a guy down, but he escapes and gets more yards down the field. UCF had a lot of problems with this as well at times with Chinander's defense. Riley's defenses were out of position a lot, but when we were in position we actually tackled very well. Against Colorado, we had good position on the guy but just missed the tackle way too many times.

Our safeties and corners have come full circle since last year. Our corners actually looked pretty decent but our safeties looked bad against CU. Our safety play needs to improve drastically if we're going to have a chance at a decent season this year.

Frost has been getting baptized by fire the past few weeks. He's a very confident guy but sometimes those type of guys have trouble learning from mistakes. I hope he's learning a lot from his mistakes and will respond in the right way. Sometimes the best decision for the team goes against your own personal beliefs, and that's a hard lesson to learn. Going undefeated in only his second season as head coach might not have been the best thing to happen in terms of learning the hard lessons needed and bumps in the road in leading a blue blood program back to prominence.

I also think he needs to start forming his own identity more and continuing to move away from Chip Kelly. The organization of our practices, the offensive identity we have, strength and conditiong, recruiting, etc. doesn't and probably shouldn't look like what he was doing at Oregon or UCF, despite the success he had there. He needs to, and I think he will, form a new identity that works for Nebraska and will have a lot of success here.
 
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I've seen "poor" tackling and missed tackles all over college football. I think it is more the effects of the spread of getting guys in space and making people miss. Was Nebraska's any worse? I really don't know for sure, but think it has become an issue all over.
 

planored

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I agree chill the f out. First game and Frost is the man and will turn this **** show around. He inherited a 4-8 team. The people who thought we were going to win the B1G or even the West are delusional. I saw a ton of good vs last year and it will take 2-3 yrs. enjoy the transformation for the long term.

Btw we would have lost like 49-10 with previous staff and team
 

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Game 1 of a rebuilding year 1. The only way you can be concerned legitimately is if you notice a trend, which is impossible after 1 friggin game. Give it up sit back watch the improvements and that is all we can hope for, sure it would be nice to win but not expecting it.
 

oldjar07

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I agree chill the f out. First game and Frost is the man and will turn this **** show around. He inherited a 4-8 team. The people who thought we were going to win the B1G or even the West are delusional. I saw a ton of good vs last year and it will take 2-3 yrs. enjoy the transformation for the long term.
Like I said, I think we'll be fine and not concerned at all about the Colorado game. I completely agree Frost is the right guy and will turn this team around.
 

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I agree chill the f out. First game and Frost is the man and will turn this **** show around. He inherited a 4-8 team. The people who thought we were going to win the B1G or even the West are delusional. I saw a ton of good vs last year and it will take 2-3 yrs. enjoy the transformation for the long term.
It only took being down 14-0 for the bandwagon crowd to show their true colors.
 

planored

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Scott has already embraced the walk on part of Neb. We will be fine and give him 2-3 yrs more of recruiting his guys and it will all good. Remember Bama, OU and others sucked for yrs until they got the right man
 

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Chinader has been criticized in the past for poor tackling. However yesterday I can't say it stood out to me as a huge problem. Yes there were some missed tackles but nothing out of the norm.
 

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Chinader has been criticized in the past for poor tackling. However yesterday I can't say it stood out to me as a huge problem. Yes there were some missed tackles but nothing out of the norm.

Exactly, a miss tackle is going to happen from time to time in open space... I like the idea again of gang tackling that we have not seen in years..
 
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oldjar07

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Chinader has been criticized in the past for poor tackling. However yesterday I can't say it stood out to me as a huge problem. Yes there were some missed tackles but nothing out of the norm.
What concerned me was very few times did the first guy who had the opportunity to make a tackle was actually the guy that made the tackle. I guess it's a good thing we usually had other guys there as a backup shortly after, but from what I saw, the first guy rarely made the tackle.
 

MOhusker12

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Scott has already embraced the walk on part of Neb. We will be fine and give him 2-3 yrs more of recruiting his guys and it will all good. Remember Bama, OU and others sucked for yrs until they got the right man
Saban was also 7-6 his first year and lost to some bad teams. It will take some time, players will learn to finish the game, we made some bad mistakes that cost us the game.
 

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What concerned me was very few times did the first guy who had the opportunity to make a tackle was actually the guy that made the tackle. I guess it's a good thing we usually had other guys there as a backup shortly after, but from what I saw, the first guy rarely made the tackle.
It is because they teach the defense to be aggressive, if the players fly around sometimes they miss tackles, the advantage is that they preach more than one guy to the ball. Under Riley when one guy missed a tackle it usually led to a big play or touchdown last year.
 

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I've seen "poor" tackling and missed tackles all over college football. I think it is more the effects of the spread of getting guys in space and making people miss. Was Nebraska's any worse? I really don't know for sure, but think it has become an issue all over.

I've noticed in hs fb. Kids play patty cake with their hands instead of hitting people.
 

HuskerBorn

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Game 1 of a rebuilding year 1. The only way you can be concerned legitimately is if you notice a trend, which is impossible after 1 friggin game. Give it up sit back watch the improvements and that is all we can hope for, sure it would be nice to win but not expecting it.
Yep. Gonna take some time. Nebraska is on the way back!
 

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I didn’t see our tackling as a problem at all. I thought we had more hats around the ball than Riley ever had. I think we rallied to the ball decently and will improve with time. With time we’ll fly around even more on defense.
 

OldFisherman

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Frost has been getting baptized by fire the past few weeks. He's a very confident guy but sometimes those type of guys have trouble learning from mistakes

And, sometimes those types of guys do just fine. Unlike the rest of us. :(
 

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After viewing the game again, more closely, I believe we have a long ways to go but we are on the right track. It’s just going take another 2 years. My first reaction was that we absolutely gave the game away but at the same time, Colorado missed 2 field goals in the end. They didn’t execute to perfection either.
Having said that, I’m proud of the efforts and we’re probably a little further than I thought we would be.
 

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There were a number of positives that were evident on both sides of the ball

I am a bit surprised, however, about the level of giddiness present after a home loss to an unranked opponent.

This was the type of moral victories game I was hoping to see against Wisconsin - Michigan or OSU not Colorado at home.

Who knows maybe CU will be an upper echelon team and we still have the opportunity to play those other quality teams tough.

GBR
 
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oldjar07

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And, sometimes those types of guys do just fine. Unlike the rest of us. :(
Yes that's true and I think Frost is that type of guy. We've had coaches in the past who were confident in their abilities but refused to learn from mistakes, Callahan and Pelini in particular. I don't think Frost is that type of coach. I think he is willing to learn from his mistakes and continue to improve as a coach.
 

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There were a number of positives that were evident on both sides of the ball

I am a bit surprised, however, about the level of giddiness present after a home loss to an unranked opponent.

This was the type of moral victories game I was hoping to see against Wisconsin - Michigan or OSU not Colorado at home.

Who knows maybe CU will be an upper echelon team and we still have the opportunity to play those other quality teams tough.

GBR
I would say the level of giddiness is appropriate when comparing the product to last year. No one is giddy that we lost, but we saw 7 sacks in 1 game. We rushed for well over 300 yards in 1 game. We saw an offense that, when it is well-oiled (not after just one game), is going to look pretty awesome.

The giddiness is present because of things we haven’t seen in years, and people are excited about what is to come.

People aren’t giddy over the loss though. That sucked.
 

jlb321_rivals110621

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I would say the level of giddiness is appropriate when comparing the product to last year. No one is giddy that we lost, but we saw 7 sacks in 1 game. We rushed for well over 300 yards in 1 game. We saw an offense that, when it is well-oiled (not after just one game), is going to look pretty awesome.

The giddiness is present because of things we haven’t seen in years, and people are excited about what is to come.

People aren’t giddy over the loss though. That sucked.

That is fair. For me personally, I get more frustrated in situations where we are the better team, dominate a good portion of the game but still manage to lose as opposed to being the lesser team

I agree with all the positives that people have mentioned - the sacks, rushing yards etc. You shouldn’t lose games in those situations.

We need to get to 6 wins to get the extra month of practice - can’t afford to give away games we should win
 

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There were a number of positives that were evident on both sides of the ball

I am a bit surprised, however, about the level of giddiness present after a home loss to an unranked opponent.

This was the type of moral victories game I was hoping to see against Wisconsin - Michigan or OSU not Colorado at home.

Who knows maybe CU will be an upper echelon team and we still have the opportunity to play those other quality teams tough.

GBR
Agree to an extend. Back in the day this would have been a shocking/ very bad home loss. Unfortunately we are so far removed from "in the day" and have witnessed such bad football, that many of us have become desensitized by losses. Almost as if it is the norm and if we have a close loss it is to be considered a good game now.
However, year 1 game 1 under new staff, new system, many completely new players this year. This was a good game all things considered. What cost us this game was little mental mistakes. At this point everyone can see we outplayed CU. Mental mistakes can be fixed. It isn't like we don't have the talent to compete with top teams and need to recruit 2 or 3 years to get good talent. Then another 2 or 3 years to get the system in place.
For how awful this team look physically and mentally, to see drastic improvements on both sides of the ball in just 9 months is very encouraging even in a loss. So it isn't the loss that have people excited, it is what we saw during it.
 
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I think the first two turnovers where physical and not mental. Spotting the 14-0 lead wasn't mental,

A senior dropping a pass in the end zone is a physical mistake.

I guess you could attribute Reed's hit as a mental mistake.

The false starts are mental

I think the execution of plays will get better, hopefully that will equate to more than 7 2nd half points. But if you watch the game, a good amount of mistakes were physical.

I tend to think the physical mistakes can be corrected quicker than the mental. The odds of Martinez diving for a few yards and a player's hand making perfect contact and the perfect time probably doesn't happen more than 2 times per year. Stanley Morgan dropping a pass, happens more than it should, but he also makes a ton of catches too. Both of those will be corrected before Reed unnecessarily laying out a defenseless receiver does.
IMHO
 
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After the Colorado game, I think there's a lot more positive things to look forward to than negative. However I do have some concerns about the season moving forward and how Frost responds to adversity.

Penalties, drops, mistakes, etc. have been hashed out already, but I thought our tackling was God awful yesterday. Way too many times we had an opportunity to bring a guy down, but he escapes and gets more yards down the field. UCF had a lot of problems with this as well at times with Chinander's defense. Riley's defenses were out of position a lot, but when we were in position we actually tackled very well. Against Colorado, we had good position on the guy but just missed the tackle way too many times.

Our safeties and corners have come full circle since last year. Our corners actually looked pretty decent but our safeties looked bad against CU. Our safety play needs to improve drastically if we're going to have a chance at a decent season this year.

Frost has been getting baptized by fire the past few weeks. He's a very confident guy but sometimes those type of guys have trouble learning from mistakes. I hope he's learning a lot from his mistakes and will respond in the right way. Sometimes the best decision for the team goes against your own personal beliefs, and that's a hard lesson to learn. Going undefeated in only his second season as head coach might not have been the best thing to happen in terms of learning the hard lessons needed and bumps in the road in leading a blue blood program back to prominence.

I also think he needs to start forming his own identity more and continuing to move away from Chip Kelly. The organization of our practices, the offensive identity we have, strength and conditiong, recruiting, etc. doesn't and probably shouldn't look like what he was doing at Oregon or UCF, despite the success he had there. He needs to, and I think he will, form a new identity that works for Nebraska and will have a lot of success here.

What are your thoughts on Gebbia?
 

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We spot them 14 and we lose by 5---I'm not bitching. I DO wish we had another scholly q-back. I like our line play and saw some good in the secondary. Improvement will come. Not at all ready to pack and go home.
 
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I said over on Reddit after watching Hawaii-CSU that I feel like defense is a thing of the past now. An OU fan posted right after me saying "At last, the rest of the country is using our game plan." It used to be those basketball type scores would only be found in WAC games, and then later, the Big 12.

But if you look at college football in general, you don't really see dominating, immovable defenses today like you used to see. Even mighty Alabama gives up lots of yards and points when they play other Power 5 teams. The last truly dominating defense I saw was NU's 2009 squad with Suh, Amukamara, Crick, and Dennard among others. That was a national championship caliber defense. If NU had even a half decent offense, they'd have won the Big 12 that year.

I've just come to accept that the days of a stout, smothering defense being able to take control of a game are gone. And the art of tackling is a completely forgotten skill. That's even true in the pros now. It's a bunch of arm tackles and shoulder bumping.
 
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