Softball general question.

Bulldog Bruce

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I am watching this game 3 right now. I have not watch softball for 15 years at this point. What has changed that it no longer seems to be a pitcher domination game. I am seeing higher scores. I am not seeing the swinging bunters that were pretty common 15 years ago. Have they just learned how to hit?
 

patdog

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Good question. I’ve seen so little softball until a week ago I didn’t even think about that. No idea , but it definitely makes for a better game.
 

IBleedMaroonDawg

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We saw General baseball go through this... I wonder if softball will have the same reaction? I would not be surprised to see the fences go back.
 

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Game has grown exponentially (so have the girls) and 43 ft pitching mounds instead of 40 ft. But people in the training business found another payday and they get great instruction with the top travel programs. I've been in the top ones and worked with them and it's crazy how far it's come in such a short period of time.
 

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Game has grown exponentially (so have the girls) and 43 ft pitching mounds instead of 40 ft. But people in the training business found another payday and they get great instruction with the top travel programs. I've been in the top ones and worked with them and it's crazy how far it's come in such a short period of time.
Seems they need to add 25 ft to the fences. ...Field length.
 

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Seems they need to add 25 ft to the fences. ...Field length.
Why? So it's baseball? I've seen it on big fields and it's not good. It becomes a speed game at that point. It's 7 innings of bombs and speed now. The top pitchers are still shutting down hitting. Just aren't many elite pitchers because the training is insanity.
By the way, that single season HR record that fell this year was 21 yrs ago.
 
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karlchilders.sixpack

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Why? So it's baseball? I've seen it on big fields and it's not good. It becomes a speed game at that point. It's 7 innings of bombs and speed now. The top pitchers are still shutting down hitting. Just aren't many elite pitchers because the training is insanity.
Oklahoma hit 161 Home runs in the regular season. Tells me the field size is BS, that is all.
 
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Talent and growth is absolutely exploding at the youth level. Have coached many youth teams in TX and it’s amazing how much I’ve seen the sport grow in the last few years. It’s 100% the future… it’s just more exciting than baseball. There’s no reason to try to change it up or make it more boring like baseball.
 

Duggar Hall Desk

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Talent and growth is absolutely exploding at the youth level. Have coached many youth teams in TX and it’s amazing how much I’ve seen the sport grow in the last few years. It’s 100% the future… it’s just more exciting than baseball. There’s no reason to try to change it up or make it more boring like baseball.
I don't necessarily agree with your opinion of baseball but you are correct that (1) popularity of softball is exploding and (2) it is not baseball, nor should it be
 
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I don't necessarily agree with your opinion of baseball but you are correct that (1) popularity of softball is exploding and (2) it is not baseball, nor should it be
I’ll admit my take was a bit slanted, I really like baseball… I’ve watched it my whole life. Couldn’t agree more with your take. Softball is just so much more artistic and beautiful. I don’t speak for everyone but I believe if most people immersed themselves in it and then compared the two they will see what I see.

If you’re a baseball guy through and through and watch a game thinking “well they don’t throw as hard or hit as far… etc…” you’ll probably leave disappointed. Knowing how much more complex it is… I almost view softball pitchers as a well tuned fine instrument. It’s like fine wine.

Theres NO REASON to try to make it like baseball, to your point. It’s already so much of a better product long term. Baseball should probably try to model themselves after softball, if anything.
 
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The Cooterpoot

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Oklahoma hit 161 Home runs in the regular season. Tells me the field size is BS, that is all.
That's one team, one that's ruled softball until this year and all those HRs couldn't get them to the WCWS. One that pitching shutout today. Baseball pulls in the fences, changes the ball, changes the bats to get more HRs these days. Softball is fine. It's a fast-paced power and speed and pitching game that doesn't take all day to play like baseball. Baseball was made for drinking.
 

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Bruce when was the last time you played on 60 foot base paths, or 200 foot deep center fences. These are actual little league sized fields. Grown women, peak athletic shape.
 

karlchilders.sixpack

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That's one team, one that's ruled softball until this year and all those HRs couldn't get them to the WCWS.
Of the Softball games that I have watched (not Oklahoma) I have seen an unreasonable number of HR hit.
And, it's not that I watched a lot. I JUST think the field is too short. Everybody is entitled to an opinion.
 

patdog

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Bruce when was the last time you played on 60 foot base paths, or 200 foot deep center fences. These are actual little league sized fields. Grown women, peak athletic shape.
The difference between hitting a baseball & hitting a softball is huge. Let college or pro baseball players have to hit softballs & see how many home runs you get.
 

patdog

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Of the Softball games that I have watched (not Oklahoma) I have seen an unreasonable number of HR hit.
And, it's not that I watched a lot. I JUST think the field is too short. Everybody is entitled to an opinion.
Just looking at super regional scores, I think softball is about where it needs to be. Average score of 19 games was 7.9-2.5. Not a lot of close games. But scores don’t look too high or too low.
 

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Have any of you ever watched pro men's Fastpitch softball? It's insanity! You have guys wearing full masks and hitting softballs 400 ft. Our 1B coach is one of those guys and he's good!
 

Bulldog Bruce

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Bruce when was the last time you played on 60 foot base paths, or 200 foot deep center fences. These are actual little league sized fields. Grown women, peak athletic shape.
Little League when I was twelve. I hit pop-ups over that fence at that age.

I think it is a good thing that offenses have caught up some. All the bunting was boring. The only thing I have always said should be changed for the NCAA girls is the bases should be 65 ft (at least 63). Boys go from 60 to 75 to 90 as they get bigger, stronger and faster. 20 year old women can play on a bigger field than 12 year olds. Make a double play possible.
 

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Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi State, Nebraska - 4 of the best pitching staffs in the nation. Pitching is still important in softball, OK found out good pitching beats the best hitting team still. It's funny the people who don't watch softball want to try to make it boring *** baseball. It's a better game to watch than baseball right now! I hear people complain about the cheering and I get that, but there's nothing that has to change.
 
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I am watching this game 3 right now. I have not watch softball for 15 years at this point. What has changed that it no longer seems to be a pitcher domination game. I am seeing higher scores. I am not seeing the swinging bunters that were pretty common 15 years ago. Have they just learned how to hit?
The explosion in offense is because of a combination of hotter bats and the strike zone shrinking. Pitcher have to put it in the heart of the plate to get a strike called.

and this assertion that softball and little league baseball are similar is absurd. Hitting a softball is like hitting a dead melon, not a baseball. The fences are fine. 200 - 210’ is a good distance, they just need to open the strike zone. My girl has been taking pitching since she was 9. Her pitching coach teaches to hit the edges and to NEVER throw over the heart of the plate. When umps take over the game you either get a ton of walks or home runs.
 
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I am watching this game 3 right now. I have not watch softball for 15 years at this point. What has changed that it no longer seems to be a pitcher domination game. I am seeing higher scores. I am not seeing the swinging bunters that were pretty common 15 years ago. Have they just learned how to hit?
Your last sentence pretty much sums it up, they have learned to hit. Good or bad they play year round travel ball, lift weights and get quality instruction. The introduction of title ix that fully funded scholarships gave many an opportunity to go to college.
 

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I am watching this game 3 right now. I have not watch softball for 15 years at this point. What has changed that it no longer seems to be a pitcher domination game. I am seeing higher scores. I am not seeing the swinging bunters that were pretty common 15 years ago. Have they just learned how to hit?
Been watching last 10 years, teams still have 1 or 2 Slap hitters in lineup.
 

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If you look around college softball, the lack of pitching is a big part of the hitting, Pitching is thin still. Also, video setups and virtual training give everyone "the book" on pitchers, so with a smaller zone like we're seeing, the hitters have a big advantage. OK had no book on Everett because she hadn't thrown this year and Gasso even said it. There just aren't enough great pitchers to go around. Watch TN with the Pickens hitting over 79 on the gun. AL has great pitching but one is a FR. TT has Canady and their 2 is good, Nebraska has Frahm and their 2 is good. Those are the best in college softball. Arkansas has two really good pitchers. We've got a deep staff but Delainey makes us really strong. We ain't hit a lick all season but look where we are because of our pitching.
 

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If you look around college softball, the lack of pitching is a big part of the hitting, Pitching is thin still. Also, video setups and virtual training give everyone "the book" on pitchers, so with a smaller zone like we're seeing, the hitters have a big advantage. OK had no book on Everett because she hadn't thrown this year and Gasso even said it. There just aren't enough great pitchers to go around. Watch TN with the Pickens hitting over 79 on the gun. AL has great pitching but one is a FR. TT has Canady and their 2 is good, Nebraska has Frahm and their 2 is good. Those are the best in college softball. Arkansas has two really good pitchers. We've got a deep staff but Delainey makes us really strong. We ain't hit a lick all season but look where we are because of our pitching.
That’s a good point. Boys, throwing overhand, don’t have to be trained since birth to pitch. I mean some are, but a boy can start pitching at 12 or 13 and be an effective pitcher. Girls, you have to make that call EARLY. You can’t just pick up a softball and pitch it effectively. HS teams are usually 1 stud pitcher and one serviceable pitcher. Travel usually has 2 studs and 2 or 3 serviceable girls.

another thing I was thinking about this morning is the general consensus is softball pitching is easier on the shoulder but it is in no way more natural. It is a super unnatural motion. When our primitive ancestors picked up a rock to throw at an animal, I’m sure zero threw it underhand at it lol.

They have to be trained early to master it. Mississippi is way behind in the fastpitch game. We need to catch up.
 

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Fields are tiny, the women are not.
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sigma_dawg

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Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi State, Nebraska - 4 of the best pitching staffs in the nation. Pitching is still important in softball, OK found out good pitching beats the best hitting team still. It's funny the people who don't watch softball want to try to make it boring *** baseball. It's a better game to watch than baseball right now! I hear people complain about the cheering and I get that, but there's nothing that has to change.
HAHA couldn’t have said it any better. It’s like ok here’s a perfect absolutely gorgeous sport, let’s try to screw it all up! Some people just don’t think.
 

She Mate Me

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The pitching was obviously beyond great yesterday and after the 7 run inning Saturday.

But all the comments saying pitching beat hitting this weekend seem to be forgetting yesterday wouldn't have happened without a whole lotta hitting (and OU flubbing) on Friday.

Jus sayin'
 

sigma_dawg

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If you look around college softball, the lack of pitching is a big part of the hitting, Pitching is thin still. Also, video setups and virtual training give everyone "the book" on pitchers, so with a smaller zone like we're seeing, the hitters have a big advantage. OK had no book on Everett because she hadn't thrown this year and Gasso even said it. There just aren't enough great pitchers to go around. Watch TN with the Pickens hitting over 79 on the gun. AL has great pitching but one is a FR. TT has Canady and their 2 is good, Nebraska has Frahm and their 2 is good. Those are the best in college softball. Arkansas has two really good pitchers. We've got a deep staff but Delainey makes us really strong. We ain't hit a lick all season but look where we are because of our pitching.
I’m by no means an expert but I do coach some basic softball pitching and have helped developed a few pitchers at a beginner level. It is much more complex than baseball pitching. A lot of girls get frustrated, dont like the pressure and heckling by other teams, and dont have the mental makeup for lack of better terms to do it. It’s not easy and takes a certain type of person and mentality to do it. A truly elite softball pitcher is almost like a unicorn. There’s a lot of good ones don’t get me wrong, but the complete package is EXTREMELY rare and I’ve coached over a hundred kids and seen a lot.