So what is Trump's plan for Iran?

[Original Mountaineer1]

He had been pretty much silent on why he hated the deal. Mike Pompeo liked it. His military leadership liked it. Allies liked it. Obama as part of it so Trump hated it. But now what are the options? If the other parties pull out and isolate Iran what happens? What really drove him to pull out? How will this impact a relatively moderate Iranian regime that has worked to improve ties to the west?

I would like an informed response other without mentioning Obama or HRC (that rules out Airport). Is the end game a new nuclear deal with Iran? Was this done to appease Israel and the far right evangelicals?

 

[WVUCOOPER]

He had been pretty much silent on why he hated the deal. Mike Pompeo liked it. His military leadership liked it. Allies liked it. Obama as part of it so Trump hated it. But now what are the options? If the other parties pull out and isolate Iran what happens? What really drove him to pull out? How will this impact a relatively moderate Iranian regime that has worked to improve ties to the west?

I would like an informed response other without mentioning Obama or HRC (that rules out Airport). Is the end game a new nuclear deal with Iran? Was this done to appease Israel and the far right evangelicals?

The prior deal had issues. Trump has decided to renegotiate by completely withdrawing from the agreement. It's his strategy and obviously a new agreement is the goal. I think it would have been better to work wit our allies in the deal, but then again, I have zero clues on how to do this ****.

Hopefully anti-Trumpers don't jump on the Trump is doing this to destroy America train like the moronic Trump supporters did (still do) with Obama.

 

[moe]

He had been pretty much silent on why he hated the deal. Mike Pompeo liked it. His military leadership liked it. Allies liked it. Obama as part of it so Trump hated it. But now what are the options? If the other parties pull out and isolate Iran what happens? What really drove him to pull out? How will this impact a relatively moderate Iranian regime that has worked to improve ties to the west?

I would like an informed response other without mentioning Obama or HRC (that rules out Airport). Is the end game a new nuclear deal with Iran? Was this done to appease Israel and the far right evangelicals?

He's taking a big gamble imo and nothing short of a treaty will do. If Iran drops out of the current deal then he's automatically made the U.S and the region less safe. He needs cooperation from Europe or it's a total fail and it still may.

 

[countryroads89_rivals]

Trump has decided to renegotiate by completely withdrawing from the agreement. It's his strategy and obviously a new agreement is the goal.

It isn’t obvious to me. He has never once mentioned a new agreement. John Bolton was interviewed just this morning and never mentioned a new agreement. It seems to me a pretty ****** strategy if you alienate your allies prior to entering negotiations. You just eliminated a large part of your leverage.

trump is a f’ucking con man and idiot.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

The prior deal had issues. Trump has decided to renegotiate by completely withdrawing from the agreement. It's his strategy and obviously a new agreement is the goal. I think it would have been better to work wit our allies in the deal, but then again, I have zero clues on how to do this ****.

Hopefully anti-Trumpers don't jump on the Trump is doing this to destroy America train like the moronic Trump supporters did (still do) with Obama.

I know when the deal was struck there was a lot of dislike for much of it. Pretty much everyone at the time said it wasn't a great deal but gained us 10 years...... Now everybody except Israel says that Iran is in compliance. Our CIA director doesn't want to exit. Our military leadership doesn't want to exit......so who is in Trump's ear and why? I don't understand all this.

 

[bamaEER]

The prior deal had issues. Trump has decided to renegotiate by completely withdrawing from the agreement. It's his strategy and obviously a new agreement is the goal. I think it would have been better to work wit our allies in the deal, but then again, I have zero clues on how to do this ****.

Hopefully anti-Trumpers don't jump on the Trump is doing this to destroy America train like the moronic Trump supporters did (still do) with Obama.

He revels in destroying anything Obama did to pacify the knuckledraggers, so that explains why he did it this way. I would have thought floating plan B either right before or soon after would be prudent.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

He had been pretty much silent on why he hated the deal. Mike Pompeo liked it. His military leadership liked it. Allies liked it. Obama as part of it so Trump hated it. But now what are the options? If the other parties pull out and isolate Iran what happens? What really drove him to pull out? How will this impact a relatively moderate Iranian regime that has worked to improve ties to the west?

I would like an informed response other without mentioning Obama or HRC (that rules out Airport). Is the end game a new nuclear deal with Iran? Was this done to appease Israel and the far right evangelicals?

You have some mischaracterization in your framing of this discussion.

In general, the deal was **** for the US. It addressed nothing and didn’t provide access to what was really needed nor did it address some of the other touchy issues.

You are seeing push back from Germany, UK, and France because they are getting heavily invested in trade deals with Iran. They aren’t pushing back because they think this will actually work to the ends it was theorized. Iran is still exporting terror in the region. I was in Khamis-Mushat, SA back in the fall when the Saudis intercepted inbound missiles from Yemen which Iran was responsible for. So that’s first hand experience. I have teams all over the region. Killing this deal doesn’t make our EU allies happy, but it does strengthen our relationships in the region with Saudi, Jordan, Iraq, Qatar, UAE, Lebanon, Kuwait, and Israel. Basically all of the countries that were pissed off because of the previous deal. These countries are actively engaged in suppressing radical Islam within their borders.

This deal was akin to the Munich Agreement of 38. It was horrible. With Iran, nothing short of Regime change will solve the problem. This can be done without a formal shooting war. We’re actively working towards those ends now. At this point, there is a trifold strategy with Iran that all ends with its collapse. Make no mistake, we’re actively fighting Iran all over the region. Moreover, this should have been served up to Congress to debate and decide at the onset. It wasn’t.

Will we work a new deal? Doubtful. If we do, it will be because Iran asks for it. Otherwise, we’ll sit and let the country collapse internally.

 

[atlkvb]

You have some mischaracterization in your framing of this discussion.

In general, the deal was **** for the US. It addressed nothing and didn’t provide access to what was really needed nor did it address some of the other touchy issues.

You are seeing push back from Germany, UK, and France because they are getting heavily invested in trade deals with Iran. They aren’t pushing back because they think this will actually work to the ends it was theorized. Iran is still exporting terror in the region. I was in Khamis-Mushat, SA back in the fall when the Saudis intercepted inbound missiles from Yemen which Iran was responsible for. So that’s first hand experience. I have teams all over the region. Killing this deal doesn’t make our EU allies happy, but it does strengthen our relationships in the region with Saudi, Jordan, Iraq, Qatar, UAE, Lebanon, Kuwait, and Israel. Basically all of the countries that were pissed off because of the previous deal. These countries are actively engaged in suppressing radical Islam within their borders.

This deal was akin to the Munich Agreement of 38. It was horrible. With Iran, nothing short of Regime change will solve the problem. This can be done without a formal shooting war. We’re actively working towards those ends now. At this point, there is a trifold strategy with Iran that all ends with its collapse. Make no mistake, we’re actively fighting Iran all over the region. Moreover, this should have been served up to Congress to debate and decide at the onset. It wasn’t.

Will we work a new deal? Doubtful. If we do, it will be because Iran asks for it. Otherwise, we’ll sit and let the country collapse internally.

The last line in this excellent analysis. Ultimate aim is to collapse the regime. They were close to it when the students held their demonstrations and Obama didn't back them. Trump is hoping the sanctions bring them to their knees again and fosters another uprising which this time would be supported as well as encouraged.

 

[Keyser76]

He has no ******* plan, he listened to no one but the insecure messages in his head that tell him to undo anything Obama did, plus idiots like him think they are important when they get headlined on the worlds media stage. His admirers deserve this guy as their hero, half of them support him just because intelligent folks hate him.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

You have some mischaracterization in your framing of this discussion.

In general, the deal was **** for the US. It addressed nothing and didn’t provide access to what was really needed nor did it address some of the other touchy issues.

You are seeing push back from Germany, UK, and France because they are getting heavily invested in trade deals with Iran. They aren’t pushing back because they think this will actually work to the ends it was theorized. Iran is still exporting terror in the region. I was in Khamis-Mushat, SA back in the fall when the Saudis intercepted inbound missiles from Yemen which Iran was responsible for. So that’s first hand experience. I have teams all over the region. Killing this deal doesn’t make our EU allies happy, but it does strengthen our relationships in the region with Saudi, Jordan, Iraq, Qatar, UAE, Lebanon, Kuwait, and Israel. Basically all of the countries that were pissed off because of the previous deal. These countries are actively engaged in suppressing radical Islam within their borders.

This deal was akin to the Munich Agreement of 38. It was horrible. With Iran, nothing short of Regime change will solve the problem. This can be done without a formal shooting war. We’re actively working towards those ends now. At this point, there is a trifold strategy with Iran that all ends with its collapse. Make no mistake, we’re actively fighting Iran all over the region. Moreover, this should have been served up to Congress to debate and decide at the onset. It wasn’t.

Will we work a new deal? Doubtful. If we do, it will be because Iran asks for it. Otherwise, we’ll sit and let the country collapse internally.

Their regime didn't collapse internally prior to that agreement. Why would anyone suppose it will now? Especially with their ties to Russia? Not sure how I mischaracterized the deal. I said it it had holes and there was a lot of criticism when it was signed. But the one thing different now is that the country is becoming more moderate. Should we not try to continue to drive moderation in Iran?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Their regime didn't collapse internally prior to that agreement. Why would anyone suppose it will now? Especially with their ties to Russia? Not sure how I mischaracterized the deal. I said it it had holes and there was a lot of criticism when it was signed. But the one thing different now is that the country is becoming more moderate. Should we not try to continue to drive moderation in Iran?

You say you aren’t sure with the mischaracterization and then proceed to mischaraterize them as becoming more moderate.

They are actively financing and exporting terror through the region. They are actively engaged in fighting a proxy war with Saudi on multiple fronts and also fomenting terror against Israel and the US. That’s not moderate, my friend.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

Their regime didn't collapse internally prior to that agreement. Why would anyone suppose it will now? Especially with their ties to Russia? Not sure how I mischaracterized the deal. I said it it had holes and there was a lot of criticism when it was signed. But the one thing different now is that the country is becoming more moderate. Should we not try to continue to drive moderation in Iran?

And they were in fact on the verge of collapse once under Bush and twice under Obama.

 

[WVUCOOPER]

Moreover, this should have been served up to Congress to debate and decide at the onset. It wasn’t.

Agreed

 

[CpEER]

So the play here is to isolate the US even more from its allies while simultaneously pushing Iran into the arms of China and Russia and waiting for them to collapse?

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

You say you aren’t sure with the mischaracterization and then proceed to mischaraterize them as becoming more moderate.

They are actively financing and exporting terror through the region. They are actively engaged in fighting a proxy war with Saudi on multiple fronts and also fomenting terror against Israel and the US. That’s not moderate, my friend.

I used the term "relatively moderate" in my initial post......In the context of Iranian leadership since 1979, this regime is relatively moderate by all accounts. Quit twisting my words here.

The degradation of Shia–Sunni relations obviously is leading to much of the conflict in the middle east and with between Iran and Saudi Arabia specifically. But please don't pretend that Iran is the sole purveyor of terrorism in this region.....or have you completely forgotten about 9/11 already?

 

[Airport]

The prior deal had issues. Trump has decided to renegotiate by completely withdrawing from the agreement. It's his strategy and obviously a new agreement is the goal. I think it would have been better to work wit our allies in the deal, but then again, I have zero clues on how to do this ****.

Hopefully anti-Trumpers don't jump on the Trump is doing this to destroy America train like the moronic Trump supporters did (still do) with Obama.

The European Union is all about doing business with Iran and not giving two ***** about Iran still pursuing nuclear weapons. I would think that you are a reasonable about letting Iran do self inspections was a farce.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I used the term "relatively moderate" in my initial post......In the context of Iranian leadership since 1979, this regime is relatively moderate by all accounts. Quit twisting my words here

No, it’s not. I’m not twisting anything. You made an ignorant assertion.

How bout this, you list out your rationale for why you consider it relatively moderate. We’ll debate that.

The degradation of Shia–Sunni relations obviously is leading to much of the conflict in the middle east and with between Iran and Saudi Arabia specifically. But please don't pretend that Iran is the sole purveyor of terrorism in this region.....or have you completely forgotten about 9/11 already?

Are you asserting Saudi sanctioned 9/11 because the majority of the hijackers were Saudis? Are you further asserting Saudi, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, Iraq, Lebanon, and Kuwait aren’t taking measures internally to root out and squash radical preachings? Are they financing terror in the region? I don’t want to put words in your mouth, so I’ll give you an opportunity accurately state your position in defense of your straw man comparison.

 

[bamaEER]

So the play here is to isolate the US even more from its allies while simultaneously pushing Iran into the arms of China and Russia and waiting for them to collapse?

Well, it’ll only work if we also sanction those nations still in the Iran deal. That’ll teach them! I really think Biff oughta do that.

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

So the play here is to isolate the US even more from its allies while simultaneously pushing Iran into the arms of China and Russia and waiting for them to collapse?

Fun little game you play to assert a position that isn’t reality with respect to our allies while simultaneously failing to acknowledge the threat this deal had with our other allies within the region. Pushing Iran further into the arms of China and Russia? Hahahahaha I’m not sure that’s possible. Stick to arguing gun control, you’ll look less ridiculous.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

No, it’s not. I’m not twisting anything. You made an ignorant assertion.

How bout this, you list out your rationale for why you consider it relatively moderate. We’ll debate that.



Are you asserting Saudi sanctioned 9/11 because the majority of the hijackers were Saudis? Are you further asserting Saudi, Jordan, UAE, Qatar, Iraq, Lebanon, and Kuwait aren’t taking measures internally to root out and squash radical preachings? Are they financing terror in the region? I don’t want to put words in your mouth, so I’ll give you an opportunity accurately state your position in defense of your straw man comparison.

This Iranian Regime is clearly more western that the regime of 20 years ago. They have modernized. This from the BBC. "Hassan Rouhani won a resounding re-election victory in May 2017 as voters overwhelmingly backed his efforts to reach out to the world and rebuild the struggling economy. Rouhani, who is regarded as a moderate, reformist figure, spearheaded a 2015 nuclear deal with world powers. He first came to power in 2013." Atlantic Magazine calls him a centrist and says this about he re-election, "He addressed issues Iranians cared about in ways that broke taboos and crossed political red lines. And he promised to lift social restrictions and change Iranian politics and foreign affairs in ways that put him on a collision course with the country’s clerical establishment and security forces. This was not just a simple reelection, or a vote for continuity; it wound up as a bold political maneuver and a significant turning point for Iran." They also said, "Rouhani has changed the dynamics of Iranian politics by openly speaking truth to power and legitimating public criticism of the institutions and leaders of the Islamic Republic."

Even your beloved Fox News says that the killing of this deal will boost Iranian Hardliners.......sort of means Rouhani isn't hard line.
Right? You need more references?

You show your arse and ignorance more and more each day dog....sad

 

[CpEER]

Fun little game you play to assert a position that isn’t reality with respect to our allies while simultaneously failing to acknowledge the threat this deal had with our other allies within the region. Pushing Iran further into the arms of China and Russia? Hahahahaha I’m not sure that’s possible. Stick to arguing gun control, you’ll look less ridiculous.

No matter how you spin it, we backed out on a deal that would allow some oversight in Iran’s nuclear capabilities in favor of no oversight of Iran’s nuclear capabilities. We have no plan B.

It was a misguided decision by a petulant child. So...it was expected, I suppose.

 

[79eer]

This Iranian Regime is clearly more western that the regime of 20 years ago. They have modernized. This from the BBC. "Hassan Rouhani won a resounding re-election victory in May 2017 as voters overwhelmingly backed his efforts to reach out to the world and rebuild the struggling economy. Rouhani, who is regarded as a moderate, reformist figure, spearheaded a 2015 nuclear deal with world powers. He first came to power in 2013." Atlantic Magazine calls him a centrist and says this about he re-election, "He addressed issues Iranians cared about in ways that broke taboos and crossed political red lines. And he promised to lift social restrictions and change Iranian politics and foreign affairs in ways that put him on a collision course with the country’s clerical establishment and security forces. This was not just a simple reelection, or a vote for continuity; it wound up as a bold political maneuver and a significant turning point for Iran." They also said, "Rouhani has changed the dynamics of Iranian politics by openly speaking truth to power and legitimating public criticism of the institutions and leaders of the Islamic Republic."

Even your beloved Fox News says that the killing of this deal will boost Iranian Hardliners.......sort of means Rouhani isn't hard line.
Right? You need more references?

You show your arse and ignorance more and more each day dog....sad

You are a Windbag,......... you stated in a previous post that Trump “made fun of people who were killed” in France in his speech to the NRA. When asked to present ONE QUOTE in the speech as evidence you were unable to do so because your post was complete and total BS. ........ Say again, ........ you’re a WINDBAG.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

You are a Windbag,......... you stated in a previous post that Trump “made fun of people who were killed” in France in his speech to the NRA. When asked to present ONE QUOTE in the speech as evidence you were unable to do so because your post was complete and total BS. ........ Say again, ........ you’re a WINDBAG.

I answered you BOOM - BOOM as he pointed a fake rifle.....

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

This Iranian Regime is clearly more western that the regime of 20 years ago. They have modernized. This from the BBC. "Hassan Rouhani won a resounding re-election victory in May 2017 as voters overwhelmingly backed his efforts to reach out to the world and rebuild the struggling economy. Rouhani, who is regarded as a moderate, reformist figure, spearheaded a 2015 nuclear deal with world powers. He first came to power in 2013." Atlantic Magazine calls him a centrist and says this about he re-election, "He addressed issues Iranians cared about in ways that broke taboos and crossed political red lines. And he promised to lift social restrictions and change Iranian politics and foreign affairs in ways that put him on a collision course with the country’s clerical establishment and security forces. This was not just a simple reelection, or a vote for continuity; it wound up as a bold political maneuver and a significant turning point for Iran." They also said, "Rouhani has changed the dynamics of Iranian politics by openly speaking truth to power and legitimating public criticism of the institutions and leaders of the Islamic Republic."

Even your beloved Fox News says that the killing of this deal will boost Iranian Hardliners.......sort of means Rouhani isn't hard line.
Right? You need more references?

You show your arse and ignorance more and more each day dog....sad

Sooo moderate that they continue funding and exporting terror throughout the region and are actively fighting the US and our allies in 6 different countries. I don’t know what to tell you, Bub, you’re incorrect. They’re as a big of a threat today as they were when labeled part of the Axis of Evil. Rouhani’s election staved off the implosion of Iran. The religious hardliners still run that country. However, the masses now believe they’ll reform from the inside vs overthrowing the regime.

Beloved FoxNews? Hahahaha the last place I get my information is from western media when dealing with the nuances of the Middle East. Good lord.

Tell you what, feel free to throw all this right back in my face when I’m wrong and they join modern civilization as a productive member under Rhouhani’s leadership.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

No matter how you spin it, we backed out on a deal that would allow some oversight in Iran’s nuclear capabilities in favor of no oversight of Iran’s nuclear capabilities. We have no plan B.

It was a misguided decision by a petulant child. So...it was expected, I suppose.

He has never proposed a plan B other than sanctions. As I just quoted, even Fox News said this could drive the return of the Iranian hardliners.....

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

No matter how you spin it, we backed out on a deal that would allow some oversight in Iran’s nuclear capabilities in favor of no oversight of Iran’s nuclear capabilities. We have no plan B.

It was a misguided decision by a petulant child. So...it was expected, I suppose.

And you’re wrong. You think we had oversight? Hahahahahaha ok.

He is a petulant child, it’s not misguided.

 

[Original Mountaineer1]

Sooo moderate that they continue funding and exporting terror throughout the region and are actively fighting the US and our allies in 6 different countries. I don’t know what to tell you, Bub, you’re incorrect. They’re as a big of a threat today as they were when labeled part of the Axis of Evil. Rouhani’s election staved off the implosion of Iran. The religious hardliners still run that country. However, the masses now believe they’ll reform from the inside vs overthrowing the regime.

Beloved FoxNews? Hahahaha the last place I get my information is from western media when dealing with the nuances of the Middle East. Good lord.

Tell you what, feel free to throw all this right back in my face when I’m wrong and they join modern civilization as a productive member under Rhouhani’s leadership.

I said relatively moderate.....again in context to their prior regimes. You continue to spin

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

He has never proposed a plan B other than sanctions. As I just quoted, even Fox News said this could drive the return of the Iranian hardliners.....

Bet they’re brought to heel within his 8 years, wanna take those odds?

 

[DvlDog4WVU]

I said relatively moderate.....again in context to their prior regimes. You continue to spin

They’re more active in fighting us now than the previous regimes fvcktard. It’s not spin, you’re just a fool.

 

[CpEER]

Bet they’re brought to heel within his 8 years, wanna take those odds?