So no collusion?

The Dunedein

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In those indictments? Yep. Does that mean overall?

Rosenstein specifically said "this indictment" was not against Americans. Why did he specify that way? Maybe it was a meaningless distinction. Maybe he chose his wording carefully to limit his comment to this particular indictment. Why did the indictment itself refer to Russian communications with "unwitting" Trump campaign workers separately from "other political activists"? Is it because the February 16th indictments were limited to only the Russian players named? Who are the "other political activists" referred to in the indictment as having communications with the Russians? Trump campaign, Trump, Clinton campaign, Clinton? Mueller has a lot more information than tv talkers, bloggers, message board experts, etc. Feels like he is taking things step-by-step to get where the facts lead him.

There is nothing to prevent further indictments against more Russians, against Trump's inner circle, against Trump, against Clinton, or anybody. Just because yesterday's indictments did not include some particular person does not mean a future indictment cannot do so.

Personally, i'm just glad, as an American, that he is exposing what the Russians did to my country. Conservative or liberal, Republican or Democrat, i hope we Americans can come together to do something to Russia for either interfering in our election or even just trying to interfere in our election. We will eventually settle our internal issues amongst ourselves, but let's all work on stopping the Russians from manipulating, or trying to manipulate, us, as the case may be.
 

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Rosenstein specifically said "this indictment" was not against Americans. Why did he specify that way? Maybe it was a meaningless distinction. Maybe he chose his wording carefully to limit his comment to this particular indictment. Why did the indictment itself refer to Russian communications with "unwitting" Trump campaign workers separately from "other political activists"? Is it because the February 16th indictments were limited to only the Russian players named? Who are the "other political activists" referred to in the indictment as having communications with the Russians? Trump campaign, Trump, Clinton campaign, Clinton? Mueller has a lot more information than tv talkers, bloggers, message board experts, etc. Feels like he is taking things step-by-step to get where the facts lead him.

There is nothing to prevent further indictments against more Russians, against Trump's inner circle, against Trump, against Clinton, or anybody. Just because yesterday's indictments did not include some particular person does not mean a future indictment cannot do so.

Personally, i'm just glad, as an American, that he is exposing what the Russians did to my country. Conservative or liberal, Republican or Democrat, i hope we Americans can come together to do something to Russia for either interfering in our election or even just trying to interfere in our election. We will eventually settle our internal issues amongst ourselves, but let's all work on stopping the Russians from manipulating, or trying to manipulate, us, as the case may be.
Well said
 

mneilmont

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Still to come:

Hacked emails and associated indictments.
Hillary is fodder for any inquiry. If she is ignored, the wanted sign is decidedly out for the second prosecutor. If that entire administration gets a pass, it will be an invitation for succeeding administrations to totally disregard ethics and law and Constitution.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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Personally, i'm just glad, as an American, that he is exposing what the Russians did to my country.
Explain to me how this is different than handing out leaflets to blue collar folks in the 20-30s to give rise to the workers parties? Spurning the flames of racial tensions in the 50s-60s? Organizing political opposition against Vietnam in the 60s-70s?

They got their clocks cleaned in the 80s and collapsed in 90s. Regrouped in the 90s and 00s, and are back at it.
 

Boomboom521

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Explain to me how this is different than handing out leaflets to blue collar folks in the 20-30s to give rise to the workers parties? Spurning the flames of racial tensions in the 50s-60s? Organizing political opposition against Vietnam in the 60s-70s?

They got their clocks cleaned in the 80s and collapsed in 90s. Regrouped in the 90s and 00s, and are back at it.
There you go again. Are you saying they should just have at it or what here?
 

Boomboom521

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I’m not at all advocating for ushering in a new phase of McCarthyism, but you all sure as hell are.
I think we should be aware and protected against the actions of foreign states. And I think those amongst us that seek to help them should be prosecuted. That is state specific actions, not some general attack against a political ideology.
 

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DvlDog4WVU

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I think we should be aware and protected against the actions of foreign states. And I think those amongst us that seek to help them should be prosecuted. That is state specific actions, not some general attack against a political ideology.
When I’m discussing this stuff, I’m not referencing the obvious, like voting counts and stuff of substance. I just want to make that clear. It should be a given that I think that’s important.

The propaganda, I just don’t care about because it’s impossible to stop.
 

Boomboom521

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When I’m discussing this stuff, I’m not referencing the obvious, like voting counts and stuff of substance. I just want to make that clear. It should be a given that I think that’s important.

The propaganda, I just don’t care about because it’s impossible to stop.
I understood that. I just think we have to, at the very least, understand how our adversaries work and try to prevent it as much as possible.
 

Boomboom521

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You advocate head busting of Union protagonists? See, we do agree.
I don’t like unions....I think at one point they were vital for worker’s rights.....I think now they are counterproductive. In my field, the teachers union has hurt education, imo. They were good for the profession, now they aren’t. I know that position isn’t exactly clear, but it’s what I think.
 

DvlDog4WVU

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I don’t like unions....I think at one point they were vital for worker’s rights.....I think now they are counterproductive. In my field, the teachers union has hurt education, imo. They were good for the profession, now they aren’t. I know that position isn’t exactly clear, but it’s what I think.
There like 5 counties of teachers striking in WV right now.