So many scared kittens on this board

[bigbadjim990]

Looks like Nebraska will be paying for 3 head coaches at 1 time very soon.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

I don't know how old you are but Bob Stoops was a pretty successful DC at K-State and then Florida. He could have been the head coach much earlier at a lesser school, but was patient. Waiting for the right offer. He pounced on the OU job when it came around. There was not much concern on whether he would succeed. He was that good of a coach.

A lot of hot coordinators, who could have had better jobs failed. Muschamp failed at Auburn. Helfrich failed at Oregon just to name two.

 

[NorthWillRiseAgain]

I don't know how old you are but Bob Stoops was a pretty successful DC at K-State and then Florida. He could have been the head coach much earlier at a lesser school, but was patient. Waiting for the right offer. He pounced on the OU job when it came around. There was not much concern on whether he would succeed. He was that good of a coach.

Anytime it's an assistant, there's no idea what someone would be like as a head coach. It's luck, but there's always some sense of luck/timing.

 

[Toms Wife]

Worried that we might lose some recruits because the AD is fired

You think recruits are going to make Riley a winner? That guy is a career .500 coach.

You think if we bring in a great new head coach those recruits won't be excited?

So maybe we lose a few. Long term, getting the right guy is more important than a few recruits.

You gotta grow some big balls and make big boy decisions sometimes. Kudos to the University for firing the guy that will be known as the guy who hired Mediocre Mike.

It's not like our recruiting was all that stellar.

 

[oldjar07]

But you don't think keeping Riley around for a lame duck 2018 will affect recruiting and how 2019 goes? I am not a fan of firing only the AD if the football program is the main reason he is getting fired. Looks to me like Eichorst is the sacrificial lamb. The optics are that Riley is now on the hot seat. If you don't have a new AD before December then you are keeping Riley for 2018. That means the 2018 recruiting class is going to suck. The new AD fires Riley November 2018 and gives the new coach two months to recruit for 2019 signing class. Now you have 2 empty recruting classes, a new coach and presumably 2 new systems.

If the 1-2 start and lack of confidence in Riley is why Eichorst was fired, then have some balls and fire Riley too. At least at that point you only have one empty recruiting class.

The football program at Nebraska is the athletic department. It's not like the other programs under Eichorst's watch have been super successful besides volleyball.

 

[oldjar07]

I guess. I just dislike the bull ****. If Eichorst was fired because of the football then fire the football coach too. sack up. Make Diaco interim and finish the season. At least at that point you can actively look for a replacement rather than sitting on your *** waiting and hoping for a guy to fail.

It has nothing to do with "sacking up". Firing Riley in the middle of the season is stupid. Our athletic programs right now are a joke, and bringing in a new AD now gives him the ability to evaluate the rest of the season and make a decision at the end of the year. If Riley can't hold onto recruits because the AD is fired, he's probably not the right guy anyway.

 

[oldjar07]

Michigan won a "championship" in 1997, there's no magical 5 coach rule. Harbaugh also was a proven winner, an a+ hire which many here don't think Nebraska can find. I'm sure eventually nebraska will find that golden egg, but can you tell me who that'd be at this point?

Riley probably isn't the answer, but he could be the guy to get us to that person. You time it at the wrong time, and you end up in the hires since 2004 that Nebraska has had.

That makes absolutely no sense. If Riley isn't the answer, the time to get rid of him is now.

 

[oldjar07]

Riley has recruited QBs to fit his system. Say Frosty was hired. Of our three QBs, which one could competently operate a Frost offense? Gebbia?

Gebbia has decent mobility. If he's as good as people say he is, he could fit in many different systems.

 

[oldjar07]

To be a good coach does not mean just to coach the kids well. A good coach has to be a good recruiter, too. Therefore I am not worried about losing recruits. If the Huskers hire a good coach everything else will fall in line. That "if" is a doozey. Every team has their down time. Nebraska is no different. I just hope the next hire (Riley is gone) will come only after lots of thought has been put into it. (and not another 60 plus year old coach who was on the hot seat at another school, Les Miles).

I think Eichorst was fired because he was Big Ten first (Barry Alvarez's influence), the snafu over not playing on Black Friday in the future, how he handled the Tim Miles situation at the end of last season and the results of his biggest hire, Mike Riley.

Living here in the Northwest I've been telling you guys since the start of the Mike Riley era that he was being forced out at Corvallis and was thrown a lifeline by Eichorst. And for more money, too. I have also written dozens of times that it was only a matter of time before Riley was back at his home on the Oregon coast counting his rather large treasure chest of Nebraska dollars. It is looking more and more like I had a crystal ball (Or maybe it was because it was pretty obvious hiring a 61 year old coach who only won .54% of his games was not going to work)

It was that obvious. Some people just chose not to see it.

 

[oldjar07]

A lot of hot coordinators, who could have had better jobs failed. Muschamp failed at Auburn. Helfrich failed at Oregon just to name two.

I never thought Muschamp was that great of a coordinator and didn't think he'd make a good head coach. I didn't know much about Helfrich, but it certainly made sense at the time to try to continue with what they had going. They were successful for the first time ever under Kelly and of course they'd try to continue that. Some coordinators it's obvious that they have what it takes to be a great head coach.

 

[NorthWillRiseAgain]

That makes absolutely no sense. If Riley isn't the answer, the time to get rid of him is now.

It makes sense if you are too dumb to realize his transition class is mostly redshirt sophomore, and that it's 3 games into his 3rd year, with a new D.C. He's most likely gone whether I agree or not, but the lack of patience around here is not breeding success, just more mediocrity.

 

[RealTucoSalamanca]

It has nothing to do with "sacking up". Firing Riley in the middle of the season is stupid. Our athletic programs right now are a joke, and bringing in a new AD now gives him the ability to evaluate the rest of the season and make a decision at the end of the year. If Riley can't hold onto recruits because the AD is fired, he's probably not the right guy anyway.

It does have to do with sacking up. No one outside the program is paying attention to what the AD does on a daily basis. If the football program is the athletic department, and you are firing an AD because the football coach he hired is failing, then sack up and fire the coach too. Changing the AD isn't going to all of a sudden fix the football program.

This is the same thing that is happening at Texas A&M. People were speculating that Sumlin was on the hot seat, then the AD goes out and say if he doesn't win enough this season he will be fired. The bullseye is now firmly on Sumlin back. By firing the AD now, the bullseye in squarely on Riley's back. Two weeks ago, most people figured he would get through 2018 to coach, after yesterday most don't think he keeps his job after this year. If you honestly think this doesn't affect recruiting then you are just blind.

 

[jlb321_rivals110621]

It does have to do with sacking up. No one outside the program is paying attention to what the AD does on a daily basis. If the football program is the athletic department, and you are firing an AD because the football coach he hired is failing, then sack up and fire the coach too. Changing the AD isn't going to all of a sudden fix the football program.

This is the same thing that is happening at Texas A&M. People were speculating that Sumlin was on the hot seat, then the AD goes out and say if he doesn't win enough this season he will be fired. The bullseye is now firmly on Sumlin back. By firing the AD now, the bullseye in squarely on Riley's back. Two weeks ago, most people figured he would get through 2018 to coach, after yesterday most don't think he keeps his job after this year. If you honestly think this doesn't affect recruiting then you are just blind.

All good points.

I think a 5-6 win season similarly destroys a recruiting class. So if you commit to Riley through 2018 now you better be very confident that 2018 is going to be a good season. Otherwise you risk depleting this class with a poor season and next years class with Riley on the hot seat and likely gone if we don't win. If you pull the plug after this year you sacrifice this years class but not next years.

All depends on whether you think Riley can get to 8-10 wins or whatever your year 4 benchmark happens to be in 2018.

I have a very hard time believing this team is going to win more than 5-6 games this year.

Most coaches get 4-5 years as long as the performance is reasonable. This is where people differ. Does a losing or nonwinning season in 2 of your 1st 3 years get you to years 4 and 5?

 

[MegaTronsBro]

What's the other choice, just continue to be an average football team forever because you're scared to start over?

That's like staying with a woman who makes you miserable because you're afraid to be single.

Yes, and you do that to keep the kids happy and stable until it's time to separate. The team has just been given up on. That's exactly what they're seeing here and believe me I know. .....