So how do we fix Obamacare?

WVUCOOPER

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I think it would help to be able to purchase plans across state lines.
While I don't think any option should be off the table, I just don't see how that option helps much, if at all. We need to address health care costs and increase the penalty/tax to get healthier people paying.
 

Airport

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While I don't think any option should be off the table, I just don't see how that option helps much, if at all. We need to address health care costs and increase the penalty/tax to get healthier people paying.
You can not make people buy something they don't want.
1. If you are really serious, exempt healthcare from being sued for negligence
2. Get both sides to make proposals
3.Don't ram it down our throats
4. have block grants for states to use on indigent care.
5. You can not really do it for 350,000,000 people with one size fits all.
 

roadtrasheer

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If (IF) Trump can bring back manufacturing jobs than that will help with health insurance bigly...decent jobs is critical to all things
Not an economists, but couldn't we put a profit percentage cap on health care? It works for public utility & they make plenty & still provide good quality jobs ...don't shoot me just asking...
 

bornaneer

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Some form of cost controls, tort reform, allow all insurance plans to be sold and allow interstate sales. Guess what a neighbor of ours was charged for a helicopter ride from the hospital in Charles Town to the Winchester Medical Complex, about 15 miles as the crow flies.
 
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mneilmont

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You can not make people buy something they don't want.
1. If you are really serious, exempt healthcare from being sued for negligence
2. Get both sides to make proposals
3.Don't ram it down our throats
4. have block grants for states to use on indigent care.
5. You can not really do it for 350,000,000 people with one size fits all.
Both sides are going to have to be involved to draft an acceptable plan. In The Donald's first visit, get a voluntary committee equally divided by both parties with a R coordinator. Report progress regularly to leadership of both parties jointly. If there becomes a stumbling block, fully disclose it to leadership and public if it becomes necessary. Have a goal of 4-6 weeks to come up with backbone of a plan that the country can live with. Forgot to use bipartisan as a descriptive word that means "both parties". That has been too long coming.
 

Airport

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Some form of cost controls, tort reform, allow all insurance plans to be sold and allow interstate sales. Guess what a neighbor of ours was charged for a helicopter ride from the hospital in Charles Town to the Winchester Medical Complex, about 15 miles as the crow flies.

$16,000.
 

~IRWT~

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If (IF) Trump can bring back manufacturing jobs than that will help with health insurance bigly...decent jobs is critical to all things
Not an economists, but couldn't we put a profit percentage cap on health care? It works for public utility & they make plenty & still provide good quality jobs ...don't shoot me just asking...

88% of manufacturing jobs have been lost to not China or Mexico but to robots. Would love to see the US with an amazing manufacturing base but matching yesteryear would be tough. Robots have simply cut out the middle man.
 

roadtrasheer

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88% of manufacturing jobs have been lost to not China or Mexico but to robots. Would love to see the US with an amazing manufacturing base but matching yesteryear would be tough. Robots have simply cut out the middle man.
Yes I know automation is a job killer but could be building the robots here ...or the steel ....if the plants are here than we need maintenance folks atleast create a tax friendly country
 

mule_eer

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$35,000. and her govt insurance paid every cent. She is 56 years old and retired from the fed govt.
Um, that's not government insurance. That's private insurance that she pays part of and the government pays part of. Calling that government insurance is like calling the insurance that Walmart provides it's employees with Walmart insurance - when that's really government insurance.
 

mule_eer

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Yes I know automation is a job killer but could be building the robots here ...or the steel ....if the plants are here than we need maintenance folks atleast create a tax friendly country
You need trained people to do the maintenance, and you need far fewer maintenance people than line workers. The robots are made by robots - and people think that The Terminator is fiction. A lot of dangerous jobs are being replaced by automation as well. Making steel probably employers fewer people to do the same job as 30 years ago. That's part of the loss of jobs in the coal industry too - more mechanization and fewer people.

I'm not saying that trying to bring jobs back here is a bad idea. I'm all for it if we can do it without starting trade wars. I'm not certain that's an option. Even if we try is automating work here about an even cost/benefit to cheaper labor + shipping costs + possible tariffs? It probably depends on where those jobs are being shipped from. Is it cheaper to automate in those other countries, thus lowering labor costs there too? Lots of questions without easy answers.

We need companies to start up journeyman programs IMHO. You can incentivize that in the corporate tax code, and I think that would pay big dividends in the long run. Rather than having people strapped with loans to pay for their own training then have them enter the job market hoping something is available that fits that training, you'd have companies hire people and provide specific training for the skilled positions where they have a need. An good example might be: I need someone who can write run-on sentences for me. Obviously, I'm skilled enough in that trade to train someone to do that.
 

Airport

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$35,000. and her govt insurance paid every cent. She is 56 years old and retired from the fed govt.

Most insurance companies have negotiated rates. Anthem or Wellpoint, United, etc. Do you know what the negotiated rate was? Most of the time, people say it cost this but the insurance has a discount. That is one of the reasons to have a good plan, no matter the deductible, is to get the negotiated rate.
 

Airport

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And had it been you or me.... it would financially hurt.

I'm pretty sure that most good insurance plans have negotiated rates. If it saves your life or a loved one, you don't mind.
 

roadtrasheer

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You need trained people to do the maintenance, and you need far fewer maintenance people than line workers. The robots are made by robots - and people think that The Terminator is fiction. A lot of dangerous jobs are being replaced by automation as well. Making steel probably employers fewer people to do the same job as 30 years ago. That's part of the loss of jobs in the coal industry too - more mechanization and fewer people.

I'm not saying that trying to bring jobs back here is a bad idea. I'm all for it if we can do it without starting trade wars. I'm not certain that's an option. Even if we try is automating work here about an even cost/benefit to cheaper labor + shipping costs + possible tariffs? It probably depends on where those jobs are being shipped from. Is it cheaper to automate in those other countries, thus lowering labor costs there too? Lots of questions without easy answers.

We need companies to start up journeyman programs IMHO. You can incentivize that in the corporate tax code, and I think that would pay big dividends in the long run. Rather than having people strapped with loans to pay for their own training then have them enter the job market hoping something is available that fits that training, you'd have companies hire people and provide specific training for the skilled positions where they have a need. An good example might be: I need someone who can write run-on sentences for me. Obviously, I'm skilled enough in that trade to train someone to do that.
So many hands on people so few hands on jobs....I hope & pray smarter people can figure it out
 

MountaineerWV

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I think it would help to be able to purchase plans across state lines.

I think it's obvious how to fix it....

1. Let people die who are sick and cannot afford insurance
2. Let people die who have pre-existing illnesses and are rejected for insurance
3. Let the rich people live because they can afford health insurance and medical bills

[thumbsup];)
 

mneilmont

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I think it's obvious how to fix it....

1. Let people die who are sick and cannot afford insurance
2. Let people die who have pre-existing illnesses and are rejected for insurance
3. Let the rich people live because they can afford health insurance and medical bills

[thumbsup];)
That would be a fix.