So disappointing

MdWIldcat55

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You are looking in the wrong place.

Go to Youtube and watch video and game replays for Kentucky recruits Zoom DIallo against teams like Michigan and Wisconsin and Iowa, and Alex Wilkins against UConn in the NCAA tournament, and Ousmane N'Diaye against high-level European professionals.

Assuming you know anything at all about basketball, you'll find all of that is good news.

I can't imagine why anyone would expect to find anything good on Rupp Rafters.
 

UKWildcats1987

Heisman
Sep 9, 2021
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You are looking in the wrong place.

Go to Youtube and watch video and game replays for Kentucky recruits Zoom DIallo against teams like Michigan and Wisconsin and Iowa, and Alex Wilkins against UConn in the NCAA tournament, and Ousmane N'Diaye against high-level European professionals.

Assuming you know anything at all about basketball, you'll find all of that is good news.

I can't imagine why anyone would expect to find anything good on Rupp Rafters.

The problem is then we look at highlights of Florida's returnees and then a ton of other teams and excitement comes crashing down a bit.
 

ChocoChicken

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The problem is then we look at highlights of Florida's returnees and then a ton of other teams and excitement comes crashing down a bit.
Some fans can’t accept that we’re probably middle of the pack next year. Like they refuse to accept it. I guess they realize that being middle of the pack 3 years in a row probably dooms CMP. But what can you do? This is Kentucky. Being a lower half SEC team isn’t acceptable here.

At the very least I wish these guys would admit that they don’t mind keeping CMP around, even if it means we’ll never win the SEC again with him. Just admit you prefer the idea with sticking with our current coach over wins and success.
 

ManitouDan

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Its def disappointing . I check in every few days . Nothing much to raise an eyebrow . We are irrelevent whether we want to accept it or not . Havent done anything for a so many years we just get forgotten about .. on to a new football coach and season , much funner than hoops anyway . And I hate it
 

Tprinceuk

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To keep refreshing rupp rafters everyday and there’s nothing good ever!
Use to be great seeing big time commitments and being so excited for next year. Always loved the recruiting season better than the regular season. Kentucky basketball please come back!
And what did all that excitement from recruiting get us, 1 title in 15 years with the most talented roster alot of the times.
 

20MRoster

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Our title odds are at +6500, national media are openly laughing at our recruiting "strategy", and our pickups are so irrelevant they don't register even a footnote on ESPN.

Yet the usual suspects here act like we've upgraded all 5 positions and that this team is going to be some force.

If Stokes does commit, that still brings us to borderline top 20, if that. Season trajectory projects to be similar to Kansas last year. Hurray, another R32 exit. 10 more years for Dark Poop!
 

anon1777473514

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Yet the usual suspects here act like we've upgraded all 5 positions and that this team is going to be some force.
Ok. Some people like the team next year….so? Why is that reprehensible?

- Is the purpose to point out some type of moral failure? As in, 20M Roster is a better person as compared to the mythical “usual suspects”?

- Is the purpose to point out the abject idiocy of them? As in, 20M Roster has far superior intellect and these people should be shamed for incredulity?

People like being excited about basketball. I don’t know why that’s such an unforgivable sin.

Btw I do not agree with your assessment about the roster. If you added Stokes to what we have, that’s a very good team.
 

20MRoster

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Ok. Some people like the team next year….so? Why is that reprehensible?

- Is the purpose to point out some type of moral failure? As in, 20M Roster is a better person as compared to the mythical “usual suspects”?

- Is the purpose to point out the abject idiocy of them? As in 20M Roster has far superior intellect and these people should be shamed for incredulity.

People like being excited about basketball. I don’t know why that’s such an unforgivable sin.

Btw I do not agree with your assessment about the roster. If you added Stokes to what we have, that’s a very good team.
These are all great questions

I am better at forecasting outcomes than sad "usual suspects". See: last year. NOT a moral judgment in any sense.

I would say that if you are a Kentucky fan, it should be "reprehensible" to accept this current roster as some standard. We should have the roster that Duke has.

Not insulting anyone's intelligence or anything personal. Only insulting / questioning their standards.

We'll see what happens, my friend. With Mika seemingly off the table, only needle movers remain Stokes and Milan. Not gonna get excited for 5th year meh's that won't sniff the NBA.

We shall see. So far I am 1-0 though! 🥳
 

moses1uk

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To keep refreshing rupp rafters everyday and there’s nothing good ever!
Use to be great seeing big time commitments and being so excited for next year. Always loved the recruiting season better than the regular season. Kentucky basketball please come back!
So the last 4 years of Cal you thought things was good . You poor soul
 

Pidgie

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To keep refreshing rupp rafters everyday and there’s nothing good ever!
Use to be great seeing big time commitments and being so excited for next year. Always loved the recruiting season better than the regular season. Kentucky basketball please come back!
You are right to a degree.....but it was damn disappointing to watch all that talent go to hell.......first round flame outs the way I remember it.......
 

anon1777473514

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These are all great questions

I am better at forecasting outcomes than sad "usual suspects". See: last year. NOT a moral judgment in any sense.

I would say that if you are a Kentucky fan, it should be "reprehensible" to accept this current roster as some standard. We should have the roster that Duke has.

Not insulting anyone's intelligence or anything personal. Only insulting / questioning their standards.

We'll see what happens, my friend. With Mika seemingly off the table, only needle movers remain Stokes and Milan. Not gonna get excited for 5th year meh's that won't sniff the NBA.

We shall see. So far I am 1-0 though! 🥳
I’d wager to bet my standards are pretty high compared to most. I don’t think the following things have to be mutually exclusive:

- Note that last season was bad, perhaps very bad by historic Kentucky standards.

- Note that his first season, despite some blemishes, was at minimum, above average overall by Kentucky standards.

- Note that Pope has failed in many regards as the captain of the ship: roster construction, closing on deals, assessing fit, roster management, rotation patterns, game preparation etc.

- Note that Pope has shown glimpses of excellent coaching, made great halftime adjustments, created a whole greater than the sum of its parts, had a tendency to overperform in certain scenarios, crafted effective offensive systems, etc.

Not everyone who has hope has it due to ignorance or defiance.

If Pope fails, we move on to the next.
 

Eastkybball

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This isn’t negativity, it’s the absolute truth that we only have maybe 3 players that would start on other teams. Yes Zoom and Wilkins are good players but are they gonna be good every game? Probably not. IF YOU KNOW BASKETBALL you have to have players that will step up when needed. Players like Darius Miller, we only have 4 good players, two that could take over some games but to consistently do it is unlikely.
If Oweh can come back, we land Stokes, and add another solid C, I’d be excited. This wasn’t chat gpt’d btw.
 

JwUKFan11

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I’d wager to bet my standards are pretty high compared to most. I don’t think the following things have to be mutually exclusive:

- Note that last season was bad, perhaps very bad by historic Kentucky standards.

- Note that his first season, despite some blemishes, was at minimum, above average overall by Kentucky standards.

- Note that Pope has failed in many regards as the captain of the ship: roster construction, closing on deals, assessing fit, roster management, rotation patterns, game preparation etc.

- Note that Pope has shown glimpses of excellent coaching, made great halftime adjustments, created a whole greater than the sum of its parts, had a tendency to overperform in certain scenarios, crafted effective offensive systems, etc.

Not everyone who has hope has it due to ignorance or defiance.

If Pope fails, we move on to the next.
Most of that is true, but I have no clue how someone could watch the first 2 years and still have hope now, looking at this roster. There is a reason Pope hasn't spoken to any media since that last coaches show where he tried to convince us he was doing better than Cal did.
 

anon1777473514

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Most of that is true, but I have no clue how someone could watch the first 2 years and still have hope now, looking at this roster. There is a reason Pope hasn't spoken to any media since that last coaches show where he tried to convince us he was doing better than Cal did.
I think it’s actually the reasonable position, genuinely. I don’t mind explaining it further if you really care to know.

As for the media, I think it’s the right decision. The people who want Pope to do media most — hate him. Some of them viciously. There’s nothing to gain by doing media other than feeding the wolves.
 
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jeffky

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To keep refreshing rupp rafters everyday and there’s nothing good ever!
Use to be great seeing big time commitments and being so excited for next year. Always loved the recruiting season better than the regular season. Kentucky basketball
 

JwUKFan11

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I think it’s actually the reasonable position, genuinely. I don’t mind explaining it further if you really care to know.

As for the media, I think it’s the right decision. The people who want Pope to do media most — hate him. Some of them viciously. There’s nothing to gain by doing media other than feeding the wolves.
There is an obligation to speak to the most passionate fans in CBB. You don't need to tell us everything you're planning, but just allowing yourself to be seen and asked questions is important. I mean, he did say this was our team.

There are 3 avenues of hope that I see where I could get excited: Stokes, Momcilovic, and TY.
 

*Fox2Monk*

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To keep refreshing rupp rafters everyday and there’s nothing good ever!
Use to be great seeing big time commitments and being so excited for next year. Always loved the recruiting season better than the regular season. Kentucky basketball please come back!
Yeah it would be nice, this portal season has been a huge slow let down most of the year.
 

anon1777473514

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There is an obligation to speak to the most passionate fans in CBB.

Generally, I agree with this. For now, I think media would only create more negativity during a time we need to avoid more of it. For the last year, everything he has said has been twisted awfully (some of it by his own fault.) Need not to create headlines right now .

You don't need to tell us everything you're planning, but just allowing yourself to be seen and asked questions is important. I mean, he did say this was our team.

There are 3 avenues of hope that I see where I could get excited: Stokes, Momcilovic, and TY.
My excitement meter:

If we got Stokes: A
If we got Milan: A+ 🔥
If we got Tounde: C- (Doesn’t fit next to Wilkins+Zoom IMO)
 

Dr.LutherSan

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All the Eeyore's in one post. We just got an authentic big. Next year is a new year. Todd golden is busy stalking them girls at this time.
Todd Golden is going to be beat the brakes off this UK team at Rupp Arena and the fans will boo their own team louder than "Dumas Walker".
 
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ChocoChicken

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I think it’s actually the reasonable position, genuinely. I don’t mind explaining it further if you really care to know.

As for the media, I think it’s the right decision. The people who want Pope to do media most — hate him. Some of them viciously. There’s nothing to gain by doing media other than feeding the wolves.
I don’t know. I like CMP as a person, but this is one of those things where I question his “compatibility” as a coach with the UK basketball program. Fans expect media spectacles and updates and hang on to the coach’s every word. CMP is very secretive about everything and many fans are in a frenzy over that. They want news and CMP isn’t really delivering that. Can’t really expect fans to change their attitude for one person.

CMP reminds me of a less successful Dan Mullen when he was at Florida. Despite having multiple NY6 bowl appearances, he never really gelled with the fanbase. Kind of known for being weird with media. And he also struggled with recruiting despite Florida’s resources.

This was kinda my biggest concern with CMP when he was first hired. It would’ve been the same problem if we hired Scott Drew. Quiet coaches just don’t match up well with UK fans.
 

JwUKFan11

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Generally, I agree with this. For now, I think media would only create more negativity during a time we need to avoid more of it. For the last year, everything he has said has been twisted awfully (some of it by his own fault.) Need not to create headlines right now .


My excitement meter:

If we got Stokes: A
If we got Milan: A+ 🔥
If we got Tounde: C- (Doesn’t fit next to Wilkins+Zoom IMO)
I get the Tounde part, but it would be really fun to see that athletic 3 attack. I think Wilkins has the chance to be a great 3pt shooter so i wouldn't mind it.
 

Artlaibesghost

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To keep refreshing rupp rafters everyday and there’s nothing good ever!
Use to be great seeing big time commitments and being so excited for next year. Always loved the recruiting season better than the regular season. Kentucky basketball please come back!
What the hell are you talking about. We just got a guy YESTERDAY!
 

anon1777473514

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I don’t know. I like CMP as a person, but this is one of those things where I question his “compatibility” as a coach with the UK basketball program. Fans expect media spectacles and updates and hang on to the coach’s every word. CMP is very secretive about everything and many fans are in a frenzy over that. They want news and CMP isn’t really delivering that. Can’t really expect fans to change their attitude for one person.

CMP reminds me of a less successful Dan Mullen when he was at Florida. Despite having multiple NY6 bowl appearances, he never really gelled with the fanbase. Kind of known for being weird with media. And he also struggled with recruiting despite Florida’s resources.

This was kinda my biggest concern with CMP when he was first hired. It would’ve been the same problem if we hired Scott Drew. Quiet coaches just don’t match up well with UK fans.
Ask yourself this question. And don’t reply it to me. This is for you and yourself. Be genuinely honest. Who do you think is demanding the interviews right now? The Pope supporters or the people that don’t like the guy? The answer is rhetorical and therein lies the very issue. And that’s why he’s staying silent and should imo. The people demanding he speak are the same people who want to flame him when he speaks. Think back to all the things people complained about all season, that Pope needs to do this and needs to do that. Then when he does it, they get mad that he did it and move to the next thing. Cal noticed this same behavior over time. That’s why we went from big long state of the program speeches to mic drops and let’s ball. Even the most media savvy coach in the sport got tired of it. The media is a circus and there’s nothing to gain when things aren’t going well.
 

Aike

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Year 1 was ok. Year 2 was a disappointment. I have no idea how good we’ll be next year.

I’m hoping for play hard, play together. I’ll cheer for that. It’s been sporadic in the Pope era.

He’ll never make it here unless he learns to push that button. Suspect he will also attract more of the right kind of players if he develops that muscle.

I think Kam is one of those guys. Maybe Hawthorne is? Maybe our incoming backcourt? TBD.
 

20MRoster

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I’d wager to bet my standards are pretty high compared to most. I don’t think the following things have to be mutually exclusive:

- Note that last season was bad, perhaps very bad by historic Kentucky standards.

- Note that his first season, despite some blemishes, was at minimum, above average overall by Kentucky standards.

- Note that Pope has failed in many regards as the captain of the ship: roster construction, closing on deals, assessing fit, roster management, rotation patterns, game preparation etc.

- Note that Pope has shown glimpses of excellent coaching, made great halftime adjustments, created a whole greater than the sum of its parts, had a tendency to overperform in certain scenarios, crafted effective offensive systems, etc.

Not everyone who has hope has it due to ignorance or defiance.

If Pope fails, we move on to the next.
That last sentence. My Biggest fear is he fails and still gets a 4th. And 5th. Etc etc. I think that fear is what causes me to push back so hard on any optimism. I don't have any issues with the person being optimistic. My only issue is with the optimism itself, if that makes sense.
 

anon1777473514

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That last sentence. My Biggest fear is he fails and still gets a 4th. And 5th. Etc etc. I think that fear is what causes me to push back so hard on any optimism. I don't have any issues with the person being optimistic. My only issue is with the optimism itself, if that makes sense.
Hey man. That’s actually interesting to hear.

Maybe there’s a lot of people afraid to wade into the waters of the middle because:

1.) one side thinks the caveats/excuses/reasons will result in bad coaching being permitted for too long

2.) other side thinks the lack of caveats/excuses/reasons will result in good coaching being ignored and the tenure will be too short

That’s probably why I think a little different on this. I don’t think our opinions drastically affect the outcome. But those who do believe it matters may feel the need to pump a side, maybe?
 

20MRoster

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Hey man. That’s actually interesting to hear.

Maybe there’s a lot of people afraid to wade into the waters of the middle because:

1.) one side thinks the caveats/excuses/reasons will result in bad coaching being permitted for too long

2.) other side thinks the lack of caveats/excuses/reasons will result in good coaching being ignored and the tenure will be too short

That’s probably why I think a little different on this. I don’t think our opinions drastically affect the outcome. But those who do believe it matters may feel the need to pump a side, maybe?
Totally -- if there's someone like me, there's another out there who is a mirror.

I think you're right for the vast majority of situations where public opinions don't matter. However, given Pope's history and connection to the program, there may be the perception that it matters, even if it's not the case in reality.