Smothers
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I'd honestly rather have a 5.0 40 QB that can throw the ball accurately than "fast" QBs that can't hit the broad side of a barn. Running QBs are only effective if the ability to beat you worse with the throw is there.
Perhaps, but he’s not “Slow as a snail”. He’s actually runs very well. So far our “fast guys” have got us two wins.
I'm gonna assume it was any decent coach ever at any level. Trying to teach a kid who isn't accurate to magically become accurate is like trying to teach a slow kid to be fast. You can improve him, but not very much.
It’s been brought up, but I’m convinced that if Frost doesn’t bring in a transfer QB then he’s completely lost touch with reality.
We may have several issues going on, but QB ineffectiveness is numero uno.
I have no idea what Smothers’ potential looks like, but I’d actually play him now to get him a head start on competing against the transfer who comes in.
Adrian and Luke are good guys- no hard feelings here over their character. They are just not the right ones to help us win games at QB.
We may have several issues going on, but QB ineffectiveness is numero uno.
I have no idea what Smothers’ potential looks like, but I’d actually play him now to get him a head start on competing against the transfer who comes in.
Adrian and Luke are good guys- no hard feelings here over their character. They are just not the right ones to help us win games at QB.
Most D1 QBs are not very good until their 3rd year in a program. as u know there is a lot more to being a QB than just a strong and accurate arm. Martinez has a huge advantage because of his knowledge of the system and defensive schemes.
Spencer Rattler was #1 high school QB by a large margin; redshirted for a year; and then made all kinds of bad plays until 3/4 ways into this season. And he was considered a pro style QB
Smothers might end up being the best college QB of all time but if i'm not mistaken he was classified as dual threat not pro style and didn't have any of the accolades of Rattler.
So I would think a very generous prediction for Smothers would be ready to perform well in his 3rd season.
but im just going with the averages
Great. We have an offense built for a dual threat quarterback and we have three (and maybe four) one dimensional quarterbacks.
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There is a massive difference between Spencer Rattler throwing the ball and AM and McCaffrey throwing the ball. We are not talking about poor decision making but pure ability.
Don’t know if it was the same coach, but Kevin Gilbride used to preach that accuracy was the one thing you can’t teach and that a QB has to be able to deliver the ball accurately to have any a chance of success at the NFL level. Of course, he also helped draft Ryan Leaf, so there’s that.
Smothers was clocked in the 4.4-4.5 range in HS. Now, running in pads is different, but I’d hardly call him slow
So he's faster than Rex Burkhead? Might as well put him in and see what he can do.
It's something that has been shown time and again: once you hit big-time college football, a lot of the fundamentals -- whether sound or not -- are already pretty much hard-wired. It makes sense because a lot of these guys have been playing football for 10+ years by the time they get on campus. So all their bad habits are second nature by that point. It's why Tebow was never going to "fix" his mechanics despite all the $ and hype in the world. It's also why Cam can't help himself when he lowers his head going into a tackle.
Yes, I really hoped for Adrian to get better. Not going to happen. This is 100% on the coaching he has regressed A LOT. I actually think there may be more to team taking coaches mentality than we thought. This isnt just a case of guys that can't play. This is a coach who at this point has given no evidence that he isn't over his head. Even winning against Rutgers isn't going to change that. And truthfully, Rutgers may beat us. They'll know our offense well, we will undoubtedly be outcoached.
Are you kidding me??! FRESHMAN Spencer Rattler threw more touchdowns (4) in his first game as a starter this year than Adrian has thrown ALL YEAR!!
I wish yall would stop name dropping players and other teams and compare them to Nebraska to make ya weak points. It's not like some of us don't watch college football and you can just talk out ya *** without getting checked...
Mike Leach had this to say which is right in line.
“People make this mistake all over the country, and everybody can think of one, but there will be a guy who is big, strong and athletic, and everyone gets tempted by speed and if someone has a super strong arm.”
“Then they say ‘Well all he has to do is work on his accuracy. Well ok. He won’t be accurate in high school. Then some college will take him, and then he won’t be accurate there, and then the NFL says ‘all he has to do is work on his accuracy,’ and they’ll take him there, and he won’t be accurate there and then he’ll be out of the league.”
“The thing that’s amazing to me, is that after all of high school he’s not accurate, and now all of a sudden you’re special and you’re going to make him accurate? And then after college he’s not accurate, and you’re special and you’re going to make him accurate? I just haven’t seen that happen. I’ve seen guys improve, but they don’t all of a sudden become accurate.”
“The other thing is, you can go grab a shortstop and teach him to play quarterback easier than you can make someone accurate.”
Boom. There it is. The guy I heard say a very similar thing was an NFL coach but it's the exact same message. I think Leach knows QBs.
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His accuracy has not regressed. He played behind a more experienced O line his freshman year with a future NFL WR to throw who could get open. Teams have him figured out.
Teams have figured him out. They know who his primary receiver is, and when that's not there it all breaks down. He doesn't check down to a back, but instead sort of stumbles out of the pocket trying to turn it up field a little bit.
It seems like he checks down all the time. Like to the Sam Keller level. Never pushes it down the field. Just check down after check down. Of course when we had guys wide open down the field, we still missed them.
You can't have watched yesterday and not see he has regressed. He misses open guys regularly.
The single biggest theme over the last 4 weeks is how often our receivers are wide open downfield. We hear it probably 20 times a game.
I ignored it, and stayed in the 2AM club.... then I couldn't miss Wandale for 6 overthrown, Oliver Martin for maybe 6 and at least fg range, overthrow. Wandale open but has to drop to knee, Lewier open crossing, overthrown would have been a 1st down.
I couldn't look past what I saw with my own eyes. Now I remember a bad overthrow to wide open Betts last week. Purdue hit Betts late and defenseless for 15 yards but it was a terrible overthrow. He's not just missing open guys, he's not getting it near the target when he sees them.
Put Zac Taylor in this offense and things would look a lot better, even if he was slow. Put Ganz in there and we'd be pretty dang good.
Once again, what have our “fast guys” produced? Not sure what the point is. Luke is really fast. He can’t sling it. Adrian is fast but he’s missing wide open guys. Speed doesn’t work if you can’t pass effectively.
So Frost would pass on the next Aaron Rodgers because he can't run a 4.5 40? Truly a offensive genius. Remember when we bashed Callahan and Riley for not adapting their offense for the talent on the roster? Guess Scotty gets a pass.
Here are Rattler's stats per game. 7 interceptions on the year. Doesn't appear to me that he was making all kinds of bad plays until 3/4 into the season. BTW he was benched for part of the first half against Texas. Third game of the season.
Game Log
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| 2020 REGULAR SEASON | PASSING | RUSHING | |||||||||||||||
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| DATE | OPP | RESULT | CMP | ATT | YDS | CMP% | TD | INT | LNG | SACK | RTG | QBR | ATT | YDS | AVG | TD | LNG |
| Sat 12/5 | vsBAY | W 27-14 | 20 | 28 | 193 | 71.4 | 2 | 1 | 25 | 4 | 145.8 | 44.2 | 10 | -12 | -1.2 | 0 | 7 |
| Sat 11/21 | vs14OKST | W 41-13 | 17 | 24 | 301 | 70.8 | 4 | 0 | 45 | 3 | 231.2 | 96.9 | 7 | 14 | 2.0 | 1 | 17 |
| Sat 11/7 | vsKU | W 62-9 | 15 | 27 | 212 | 55.6 | 1 | 1 | 33 | 1 | 126.3 | 47.9 | 3 | 3 | 1.0 | 1 | 6 |
| Sat 10/31 | @TTU | W 62-28 | 21 | 30 | 288 | 70.0 | 2 | 0 | 48 | 0 | 172.6 | 92.0 | 3 | 24 | 8.0 | 0 | 14 |
| Sat 10/24 | @TCU | W 33-14 | 13 | 22 | 332 | 59.1 | 2 | 0 | 61 | 1 | 215.9 | 94.7 | 9 | 7 | 0.8 | 0 | 16 |
| Sat 10/10 | vs22TEX | W 53-45 4OT | 23 | 35 | 209 | 65.7 | 3 | 1 | 30 | 2 | 138.4 | 78.2 | 14 | 51 | 3.6 | 1 | 23 |
| Sat 10/3 | @ISU | L 37-30 | 25 | 36 | 300 | 69.4 | 2 | 1 | 51 | 2 | 152.2 | 85.0 | 9 | 20 | 2.2 | 1 | 13 |
| Sat 9/26 | vsKSU | L 38-35 | 30 | 41 | 387 | 73.2 | 4 | 3 | 51 | 3 | 170.0 | 67.2 | 8 | -5 | -0.6 | 0 | 7 |
| Sat 9/12 | vsMOST | W 48-0 | 14 | 17 | 290 | 82.4 | 4 | 0 | 58 | 3 | 303.3 | 97.8 | 4 | 1 | 0.3 | 0 | 10 |
| TOTAL | 178 | 260 | 2,512 | 68.5 | 24 | 7 | 61 | 19 | 174.7 | 82.0 | 67 | 103 | 1.5 | 4 | 23 |
he threw 5 of the 7 INTs in the first 3 league games and lost 2 of the 3. Threw 2 INTS the rest of the year and went undefeated. I think almost anyone would agree he improved significantly from the start to the finish. and thats what his coach has said as well
It's interesting that in 1997 Frost was 88/159 (55%) with 5 TDs (including the most important one) and 4 INTs. He threw the ball like he was putting a shot. He was neither very accurate, nor had good mechanics. The good news was his coach understood his limitations and called games he could be effective in.
Which doesn't make much sense, because what worked at UCF and Oregon was having a great passing attack mixed in with an effective zone running game.
The throw was fine. If you're a midget wide receiver and the ball hits your hands, you better catch it. If he underthrows that ball, it's intercepted.