Skyy Clark Decommits

Cats192

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I don't understand the need to turn things into a veterans (experience) vs 4 star and 5 star talent issue.

The bottom line is you win with good players.

Askew wasn't a good player. Boston wasn't a good player.
A guy like Tyty is a good player. Ditto Wall, Cousins, Davis etc etc etc.

Wheeler was a good transfer. Oscar obviously was a good transfer.
Sarr wasn't all that good.

Whether you go the transfer route, the 5 star player route or a mixture of both, the bottom line is you still need to pick the right players.

I trust Cal to put out a good team. Cause he's done that most years. I don't care where the players come from be it a transfer from another school or high school. I just want good players.
I think experience leads to better play.

Some of it is guys mature physically. Some of it is improved basketball IQ.

Boston as an experienced Junior or Senior is probably a good college player. Sure some kids are good right away. But some need 2-3 years to find themselves at the college level. Once they do, they're good players.

So that's why the debate of one vs the other.
 

TNCatfanforever

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Worse if you have watched him carefully the last 3 years. You don’t want the Clarks near your program unless you want probation
Living in Nashville and having friends at both Brentwood Academy and Ensworth you are spot on. Dad is not who you want around your program. Honestly the kid peaked his freshman year and has gone backwards ever since
 

kyjeff1

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I don't understand the need to turn things into a veterans (experience) vs 4 star and 5 star talent issue.

The bottom line is you win with good players.

Askew wasn't a good player. Boston wasn't a good player.
A guy like Tyty is a good player. Ditto Wall, Cousins, Davis etc etc etc.

Wheeler was a good transfer. Oscar obviously was a good transfer.
Sarr wasn't all that good.

Whether you go the transfer route, the 5 star player route or a mixture of both, the bottom line is you still need to pick the right players.

I trust Cal to put out a good team. Cause he's done that most years. I don't care where the players come from be it a transfer from another school or high school. I just want good players.
Pretty simple really. You aren't winning in today’s college basketball with a team full of high school players. Those days are over and even when they were a thing, it was still too much of a struggle most of the season, unless Cal gets a couple of transcendent kids.
Veteran players are what wins titles at the college level.
You aren't seeing any freshmen based teams in the FF these days for a reason.
Memphis and Michigan are freshmen based teams. They are rounding the corner and starting to put it together, but both teams have 10+ losses (11 and 13). The damage is done.
Yeah, you need good players, but there's a difference between a good high school player and a good college veteran player, a huge difference.
 
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I think experience leads to better play.

Some of it is guys mature physically. Some of it is improved basketball IQ.

Boston as an experienced Junior or Senior is probably a good college player. Sure some kids are good right away. But some need 2-3 years to find themselves at the college level. Once they do, they're good players.

So that's why the debate of one vs the other.

It doesn't have to be a debate tho. Grab both. Like we did this year lol.
 

cats#1again

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Clark looks to be a decent player but I can't see him being as quick and play as hard as a guy like wheeler . With UT having those fast freshman, I don't think this hurts us to look at other options. Wheeler being back would be the best
 
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trueblujr

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Is this you trying to speak it into existence or something?

Sure, a player leaving COULD be a bad sign of a coached departure.. but we already suspected Skyy might leave, Cal is having a huge turnaround, and we still have a lot of pieces coming back (CJ, Brooks, Toppin, Ware, Collins, Hopkins)...
Have to wonder about a couple of those. Hopkins had his big game, then suddenly not a lick of notable PT since. Have to think that weighs on his psyche. Kinda feel the same about Collins as well.
 

LineSkiCat14

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Have to wonder about a couple of those. Hopkins had his big game, then suddenly not a lick of notable PT since. Have to think that weighs on his psyche. Kinda feel the same about Collins as well.


It is a heavy concentration of forwards, yeah. So I could see some transferring. But that said, the playing time is definitely there for some of them. We don't have a PF/C coming in, just Livingston.
 
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cmore79

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If Gonzaga doesn't get Black, then Clark is Gonzaga bound.
I think he ends up at Illinois. Assistant Coach Tim Anderson was his lead recruiter at Depaul when he committed to them. He is now an assistant at Illinois.

Full Disclosure: I'm an Illini fan looking for info about Clark and just seeing what you guys think of him as a player and I'm not here to troll. I simply enjoy recruiting gossip.
 
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I don't understand the need to turn things into a veterans (experience) vs 4 star and 5 star talent issue.

The bottom line is you win with good players.

Askew wasn't a good player. Boston wasn't a good player.
A guy like Tyty is a good player. Ditto Wall, Cousins, Davis etc etc etc.

Wheeler was a good transfer. Oscar obviously was a good transfer.
Sarr wasn't all that good.

Whether you go the transfer route, the 5 star player route or a mixture of both, the bottom line is you still need to pick the right players.

I trust Cal to put out a good team. Cause he's done that most years. I don't care where the players come from be it a transfer from another school or high school. I just want good players.
The issue is, predicting who will be a good player.

And it is easier to predict an experienced upper classman than it is a high schooler. Although the high schooler may have a higher ceiling.
 
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The issue is, predicting who will be a good player.

And it is easier to predict an experienced upper classman than it is a high schooler. Although the high schooler may have a higher ceiling.

That's a good point. It's obviously easier to know what you are getting from a transfer vs someone from high school.

I feel like in the end, doing what Cal did this year is the best going forward. Still get some big time recruits, and then fill the rest of it out with the transfers.

The only thing is I don't think you are always going to find an Oscar or Wheeler out there to be had. Maybe I'm wrong on that but we'll see.
 
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If Hopkins transfers, we'll have plenty of people here saying it's fine because Livingston is coming in. Some people never learn. We 100% would be better off with a sophomore Hopkins and Livingston playing behind him.

Totally agree.

Not only that. But even if say Livingston comes in and is better than Hopkins having him come back a 2nd or even 3rd year clearly would be better for us.

Some kids just take longer than others to develop. Hopkins can still be a big part of our team in the future.
 

JwUKFan11

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If Hopkins transfers, we'll have plenty of people here saying it's fine because Livingston is coming in. Some people never learn. We 100% would be better off with a sophomore Hopkins and Livingston playing behind him.
This is true. I think basically everyone would love for him to stay but not much you can control. I said a few weeks ago that I would be happy with one of Hopkins and Collins back and I think that’s a pretty good view most fans should have going into the off-season.
 

Dubya C Dubya

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That's one example. Overall you'd be crazy not taken 5 star recruits over leftovers

How many final fours has Duke been in the last 6 years with all those 5 stars??? ZERO. Forget a championship, Zion, Tatum, Bagley, Barrett, Giles, Reddish, Carey, Bolden, Jones, Trent, etc couldn’t even drag them to a F4. LOL. But I guess, as you claim, they are still the number 1 draw in CBB. (Laughable). UK is, hands down.

Was great to see all those “leftovers” from UNC completely embarrass them Saturday night.
 

Nathtoy98

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If Hopkins transfers, we'll have plenty of people here saying it's fine because Livingston is coming in. Some people never learn. We 100% would be better off with a sophomore Hopkins and Livingston playing behind him.
True but Toppin will probably be here as well, might be a logjam at the 4 unless Cal sees Livingston as a 3
 

RalphDaltonFan

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You’re usually a good poster but I’m gonna have to see a link to that? I’m not buying that at all….
You can believe what you choose. Do a search on my comments all along and Skyy Clark. It's quite obvious that I knew a little bit more than media covering this recruitment. So you can link to anything you like, I stand by what I knew and things ended up as I was told they would. The only thing Kentucky Staff was surprised with was that Kenny had Skyy do a "break up" interview with KSR's guy. That was odd.

As I've stated a few times in this thread, if Clark never was injured, he'd have been dropped/allowed to decommit at the Peach Jam.
 

abhavsar

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You can believe what you choose. Do a search on my comments all along and Skyy Clark. It's quite obvious that I knew a little bit more than media covering this recruitment. So you can link to anything you like, I stand by what I knew and things ended up as I was told they would. The only thing Kentucky Staff was surprised with was that Kenny had Skyy do a "break up" interview with KSR's guy. That was odd.

As I've stated a few times in this thread, if Clark never was injured, he'd have been dropped/allowed to decommit at the Peach Jam.
Ralphdaltonfan had it from the beginning. He has been spot on about what would happen with sky for more than a year. He’s right about Hopkins too.

It was never a good fit, and knowing that Sky was that bozos in Arizona’s recruit, I’m glad we parted ways. I don’t think he would have contributed until a Jr. at Uk. Really cool kid, but doesn’t fit what Uk is trying to do. I for one, am super glad, this opens up a guard spot for a immediate impact late signee or high major transfer to be in the rotation.
 

RunninRichie

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Clark looks to be a decent player but I can't see him being as quick and play as hard as a guy like wheeler . With UT having those fast freshman, I don't think this hurts us to look at other options. Wheeler being back would be the best
Richie is the biggest clown on here. Tight race but he wins.. every clip I've seen of the kid looks like a strong pg.
Anyone ever think maybe he's over highschool ball and just going through the motions? He's got a strong lower body and decent shot.
Again, if chin and Antigua want him
I'll take their opinion
 

LowCountryCat

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You are right, instead of letting them kneel he should have dehumanized all of them, went on an evening bender and drove drunk like Few. SMH. Cal was between a rock and a hard place.

As for other fan bases hating UK, I love it. Fans are supposed to hate our team.
How was he between a rock and a hard place AT FLORIDA? He could have had a modicum of guts and told them to wait until they got back to Rupp.
 
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Bluegrassking

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I think Clark just saw his ceiling as filling in for Mintz's role next year and is looking for a quicker/easier path because he may have even ended up as guard 5 and a deep reserve.
 

Paulyv94

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I think Clark fell off to number 40 or something like that. Really has not been impressive since returning from Injury.
 

RalphDaltonFan

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I think Clark fell off to number 40 or something like that. Really has not been impressive since returning from Injury.
I'll give him a pass for that--tough injury and think he's done pretty well in that regard.

Main problem was he didn't look very impressive prior to the injury and hasn't played a lot of competitive basketball since he was a Soph in HS.
 
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cats#1again

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What's your point?
I never said anything about how fast he was in the other post


You are still the biggest clown on here. I could go back and get all of your posts about wheeler and Oscar not making it for us but do I? You thought wheeler would be a dud. I also said Oscar would be sec player of the year in March last year and you laughed at that aswell
 

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I'll give him a pass for that--tough injury and think he's done pretty well in that regard.

Main problem was he didn't look very impressive prior to the injury and hasn't played a lot of competitive basketball since he was a Soph in HS.
Yeah he's been really honest an open about how the injury has hurt his confidence some and confidence is everything til you get it all back. I asked my nephew about him as a player since they've played against him several times and his comment was "very, very, very good".