Since yesterday's congressional mandate
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That really doesn't matter. Mississippi won't be in line for hosting any pre-determined postseason events anyway. We can still host baseball and women's basketball regionals, since they're merit-based.
President Keenum issued a stronger statement
a couple of days ago and addressed the ban
http://www.msstate.edu/web/media/detail.php?id=7336
a couple of days ago and addressed the ban
http://www.msstate.edu/web/media/detail.php?id=7336
I don't believe that that would make a difference at all.
I have no idea of the collective total of alum from each school but I'm sure that it's a small number. Then take out the one's that wouldn't care along with the one's that would support the use of the flag and you have even less. Those that want to hang on to that flag want it for one reason only - and a baseball series isn't going to change that.
I have no idea of the collective total of alum from each school but I'm sure that it's a small number. Then take out the one's that wouldn't care along with the one's that would support the use of the flag and you have even less. Those that want to hang on to that flag want it for one reason only - and a baseball series isn't going to change that.
I'm on the Flowood bid committee...
The IOC assured us that since they held games in China and Russia, were it was pretty much a few corrupt people making a ton of money on the backs of what amounted to slave labor, that they actually would like the flag to be quite prominent. They've even requested a mascot that sort of looks like an old plantation owner. I hope Ole Miss kept the uniform.
The IOC assured us that since they held games in China and Russia, were it was pretty much a few corrupt people making a ton of money on the backs of what amounted to slave labor, that they actually would like the flag to be quite prominent. They've even requested a mascot that sort of looks like an old plantation owner. I hope Ole Miss kept the uniform.
I've been pleased that the majority of people here want it changed....
the minority defenders can feel time passing them by. They aren't going silently but they are going. I hope we get it changed before we face this issue in a athletic realm.
the minority defenders can feel time passing them by. They aren't going silently but they are going. I hope we get it changed before we face this issue in a athletic realm.
What event would we host? I can't think of a single one..
BTW, I do think we need to change the flag, but if we do we won't be getting any NCAA national events...
BTW, I do think we need to change the flag, but if we do we won't be getting any NCAA national events...
Mississippi doesn't currently have a venue suitable to host many events. You wonder if the ban has an effect on decisions whether to build one.
If they banned us from hosting regionals i imagine the leg would act quickly and change it themselves
We apparently value tradition/"heritage" over state endorsement of highly offensive symbols. But we value
College sports over tradition/"heritage" and prettt much everything else
We apparently value tradition/"heritage" over state endorsement of highly offensive symbols. But we value
College sports over tradition/"heritage" and prettt much everything else
True but that is not really the point........
The point is that MS is now very, very conspicuously the last man standing. The state now 10X more sticks out like a proverbial sore thumb. This on top of already being at the bottom of nearly every socioeconomic list in existance.
Look I get that this whole movement is all being driven by raging emotions and many of those advocating change are being mighty pushy, overreaching and downright obnoxious about it but come on. Its time to do something. Its already too late to be ahead of the game. The best MS can do now is be known as better late than never but it needs to move on. People talk about it but I don't think the primary issue is all about the confederacy and slavery. There were other confederate flags and there are lots of state flags that incorporate confederate design elements and not much is being seriously said about it. The real issue I think is the more recent history of the CBF. The adoption of it by those opposed to the civil rights movement, desegregation, hate groups, and just individual haters like the kid that murdered 9 people.
There does not need to be another public flag referendum. That was a big mistake last time. The only referendum should have been to decide what the new design would be. We should also never forget our ancestors who fought to protect their homeland or not take pride in our region but we can that without the CBF being on the MS state flag.
Come on MS. You gotta get this done. Now.
The point is that MS is now very, very conspicuously the last man standing. The state now 10X more sticks out like a proverbial sore thumb. This on top of already being at the bottom of nearly every socioeconomic list in existance.
Look I get that this whole movement is all being driven by raging emotions and many of those advocating change are being mighty pushy, overreaching and downright obnoxious about it but come on. Its time to do something. Its already too late to be ahead of the game. The best MS can do now is be known as better late than never but it needs to move on. People talk about it but I don't think the primary issue is all about the confederacy and slavery. There were other confederate flags and there are lots of state flags that incorporate confederate design elements and not much is being seriously said about it. The real issue I think is the more recent history of the CBF. The adoption of it by those opposed to the civil rights movement, desegregation, hate groups, and just individual haters like the kid that murdered 9 people.
There does not need to be another public flag referendum. That was a big mistake last time. The only referendum should have been to decide what the new design would be. We should also never forget our ancestors who fought to protect their homeland or not take pride in our region but we can that without the CBF being on the MS state flag.
Come on MS. You gotta get this done. Now.
No I never meant to imply it was the main point. I said that more to make this topic sports related instead of simply opening up yet another flag debate on a sports board (although the conversation needs to continue, in my opinion. The flag needed changing 25 years ago).
I agree with your statements 100%.
I agree with your statements 100%.
All those yankees committed suicide. If you pretend the Civil War never happened, then slavery must have never happened. It amazes me that taking down the flag makes people believe racism will magically disappear with it.
Taking the confederate battle flag out of government is needed. Comparing the south of 1861 to Nazis is absurd. Digging up dead people is down right unholy. But then again Memphis has been too far gone for a long time. Taking down monuments is just plain stupid. If you give the leftist folks an inch, they will want way more than a mile.
I'm convinced that most people are against the CBF simply because the KKK latched on it. And I can't blame them. It's something that happened in our lifetime and is still fresh on many people's minds. I don't think many people know it's true origins or what it represented when it was created. But to be clear, I am all for taking it down and rethinking our state flag.
A new design will be needed. Even the "Magnolia" flag will not suffice.
The "Magnolia" flag was adopted after Mississippi seceded.
The alternate design put forth in 2001 is too close to the 1st CSA national flag (William Winter and that commission bungled that effort.)
A simple, unique, easily recognizable design is what's needed if there is going to be a change. (According to a 2001 survey by the North American Vexillological Association., New Mexico has the best-designed flag of any state.)[SUP][/SUP]
The "Magnolia" flag was adopted after Mississippi seceded.
The alternate design put forth in 2001 is too close to the 1st CSA national flag (William Winter and that commission bungled that effort.)
A simple, unique, easily recognizable design is what's needed if there is going to be a change. (According to a 2001 survey by the North American Vexillological Association., New Mexico has the best-designed flag of any state.)[SUP][/SUP]
Well a state flying that image certainly wont help end racism as it shows the state supports what that image stands for.
i'm pretty sure most people will be ok with using some combination of the rainbow flag.
Do you know it's true origins?
I personally just don't give a crap about heritage. My folks came here and plopped down in Chicago until a generation before mine. If somewhere down the line I have a CSA ancestor, I don't hold any allegencies to someone I think was disturbingly wrong.
Comparing CSA to Nazi Germany is a little extreme, but both are horrible. "States' rights" might be the underlying narrative but it was for states to allow citizens to own people.
Georgia changed the flag and I don't think they've lost any heritage. The people who fly rebel flags in their yards in their state are just as much redneck dipshits as they were when the official flag representing them was also a rebel flag.
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/07/03/confederate-flag-designer-symbol-white-supremacy-southern-heritage.html
I personally just don't give a crap about heritage. My folks came here and plopped down in Chicago until a generation before mine. If somewhere down the line I have a CSA ancestor, I don't hold any allegencies to someone I think was disturbingly wrong.
Comparing CSA to Nazi Germany is a little extreme, but both are horrible. "States' rights" might be the underlying narrative but it was for states to allow citizens to own people.
Georgia changed the flag and I don't think they've lost any heritage. The people who fly rebel flags in their yards in their state are just as much redneck dipshits as they were when the official flag representing them was also a rebel flag.
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/07/03/confederate-flag-designer-symbol-white-supremacy-southern-heritage.html
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No one is saying that it will end racism... But people that have illogically gone overboard by latching onto that symbol and refusing to entertain any notion that some might find it offensive is what's making this look so bad. That symbol indeed represents the bravery of some, but to others it was waved in their face by a group of people who sought nothing but supremacy over them. It was a symbol of terror and oppression for them an their family only because of their skin color. That's not some "liberal PC crap," that's 100% legitimate and 100% the truth. No matter the history of the flag, that's what is represented and that's what people see.
The more powerful symbol would be the people of a state with a very tarnished past of demonstrating stubbornness through terrorism and ignorance to come together collectively and say, "We are ready to move forward and create a symbol that equally represents the ENTIRE state and not just some of the state." A collective agreement that this symbol on the state flag is ancient, dated, and mostly represents the wounds of the past. Wounds that are still healing for many. That would be the more powerful statement than simply changing the flag for 17s sake or worse, pretending that the people with legitimate ill feelings toward the current flag are somehow stupid for feeling the way they do.
But I've lived in Mississippi long enough to know that there is far too much ignorance here for that to ever happen ...
The more powerful symbol would be the people of a state with a very tarnished past of demonstrating stubbornness through terrorism and ignorance to come together collectively and say, "We are ready to move forward and create a symbol that equally represents the ENTIRE state and not just some of the state." A collective agreement that this symbol on the state flag is ancient, dated, and mostly represents the wounds of the past. Wounds that are still healing for many. That would be the more powerful statement than simply changing the flag for 17s sake or worse, pretending that the people with legitimate ill feelings toward the current flag are somehow stupid for feeling the way they do.
But I've lived in Mississippi long enough to know that there is far too much ignorance here for that to ever happen ...
No worries....
I wasn't trying to criticize you or anything. Just using your post to make a statement.
I wasn't trying to criticize you or anything. Just using your post to make a statement.
I don't think anyone thinks this will "cure racism," it's just another example of "racial wallpaper" that includes having blacks drive on roads named after confederate generals, etc. I don't understand how a person who knows anything about the history of our state, could simultaneously support our MS State sports teams, and also support keeping the battle flag. I would agree with you on the point that changing the flag would be, in the words of Dennis Truax, "a symbolic solution to a substantive problem."
I don't care one way or another about the flag. I think the 1861 flag would be a great compromise but the problem is the pro flag people are more passionate about it and there would be hell to pay come election day and our politicians know it. Watch the next SC elections you will see a big turn over in their state ledgislator.
The governor could lose the primary.
Native Georgian here. Wait, native implies born in, so Georgian most of my life here: Take a look at its current flag vs the flag it had. Granted GA's old flag was adopted in the 60's as opposed to MS'. The GA flag change was not put to a popular vote. I'm not even sure the alternate options were. Changing the flag does NOT remove heritage. The majority of the nation is ignorant & only knows the CFB because of hate group adoption. As aforementioned, look up GA's current flag. I've not heard a peep about it. Full disclosure, as a student at State I participated by casting a ballot on the MS flag change 15 years ago.
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